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Not to sound rude but, Do you play football? How could he have adjusted his body there to 'put his laces thought the ball?
Like you said, these things happen more often than not because the ball bounces and it hits the player on the wrong part of his foot. Happens to everyone.
Yes I do but what has that got to do with what I said? His body is already in a position where he can adjust in time but he went with the side foot instead, if he leaned a bit more to his right he could have struck it extremely sweet with his laces on his left foot.
His injury was over-rated
I asked because what you said doesn't make any sense, No player would ever do that. Adjusting to hit the ball there, that quick with the laces not only is unnatural but also has a higher probability of missing the ball. For example, how often do you see people playing pick in the middle and using the lace part to pass the ball?
I dunno what way you hit the ball but if I swung my boot at that ball with my laces it would go in, of course the initial reaction is to side foot it but I cannot see how it could miss by using the laces, worse case scenario is it bounces more than you though and you shin it into the goal like Welbeck in Englands last game.
Dunga has also confirmed him as Brazil's new captain, strangely enough.
1st captain? Ahead of Thiago Silva?
Well he probably thought if Ronaldo and Messi can captain their countries then why not Neymar.
Yep. It's interesting how many national teams these days have their talismanic forward as their captain. Ronaldo, Messi, Ibrahimovic, RVP, and now Rooney and Neymar. The cynic in me believes the sponsors have played a part in this.
Well, in some of those cases, it's understandable as there aren't many other candidates. With Neymar, it seems more as if all of Brazil has abandoned its resplendent football history and adopted a small-minded mentality of just worshipping one player on the team and ignoring the rest.
For Portugal this might be true, for Argentina however Mascherano or even Zabaleta could be better candidates. The less said about England the better.
Pitch was awful though
Just scored 4 goals against Japan. Hit the woodwork from a freekick as well and should have had about 3 assists if his teammates could have finished. His record now reads 40 goals and 23 assists in 58 games. Which puts him in 5th place in the Brazil all-time topscorer charts:
All-time topscorers BRA:
Pele 77
Ronaldo 62
Romario 55
Zico 48
Neymar 40
Bebeto 39
He is still 22.
All-time topscorers BRA:
Pele 77
Ronaldo 62
Romario 55
Zico 48
Neymar 40
Bebeto 39
He is still 22.
Insane stats for the NT.
Needs to essentially score 4-5 NT goals every year to break the record when he's around 30. Freak.
Needs to essentially score 4-5 NT goals every year to break the record when he's around 30. Freak.
He simply delivers. Grew up on me so fast that I forgot I ever disliked him.
Those stats are just ridiculous.
Does anyone have how he distributed those goals, how many out of those are from friendlies. olympics, etc.?
That's not true though, especially not for your club, last season. Although we can give him the benefit of the doubt - new league, new team, tons of off field issues (FCB president, transfer fee etc).
Hopefully he continues to deliver through the whole season. He's struck up a good understanding with Messi.
28 of his 40 goals have come in friendlies because he didn't play in the 2011 copa america qualifiers (just the tournament) and Brazil didn't need to qualify for the world cup. 14 of those goals have come against China, Japan (6 in 2 matches), Iraq, S.Africa and Panama. In the last few years, Brazil have been playing whoever they can, wherever they can, to reap in the cash and keep their profile up. So much of it has been aginst piss poor teams or under strength opposition.
Make of it what you will; but it looks a pretty deceptive, puffed up record to me.
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Make of it what you will; but it looks a pretty deceptive, puffed up record to me.
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I imagined it was something like that, cheers mate.
As a comparison if 28 of 40 for Neymar are in friendlies, that's 70% of his goals for the national team.
Ronaldo's rate for Brazil was 30% (19 of 62) in friendlies.
I often feel like friendly caps and goals shouldn't really count.
Ronaldo's rate for Brazil was 30% (19 of 62) in friendlies.
I often feel like friendly caps and goals shouldn't really count.
How did you manage that? I simply can't overlook his diving theatrics. He may go on to become the greatest but to me he'd still be a diving cnut. Can't force myself to respect such a player.
To be fair there is no such thing as copa america qualifiers. But your point remains.
To be fair to Neymar, Brazil did generally play decent opposition in friendlies leading up to the World Cup. Maybe not Iraq, S.Africa, China & Panama, but he scored 20 against countries who at the very least tend to qualify for the World Cup. Ronaldo would never have had a period of 2 years mostly playing friendlies, whilst those two years make up a good chunk of Neymar's international career, so it's no wonder his % of friendly goals is so much higher.
I'd say forwards from USA & Mexico have more puffed up stats (Borghetti, Landon Donovan & Chicharito) through consistently playing the likes of Jamaica, Guyana, Cuba, Panama, Belize, El Salvador, and T & T in world cup qualification and Gold Cup. And European qualification groups have a fair amount of games for goalscorers to boost their tally. I imagine Malta, Faroe Islands, Andorra, San Marino and now Gibraltar all hate Robbie Keane.
His record in competitive matches reads 10 goals in 14 matches, including teams like Spain, Italy, Croatia, Mexico, Ecuador etc. He's actually scoring at a higher rate in competitive games (0.71 gpg) than in friendlies (30 in 44, 0.68 gpg). Obviously one can now go on and further dissect if the Confeds Cup should count as a serious competition and so on. At club level so far this season he's on 8 goals in 6 starts which confirms his scoring form. In his first season he already scored against Atletico in 2 different competitions and Real Madrid. Injuries and off-the-pitch issues have slowed him down last season but he's undeniably a world class player already despite still being so unpolished. He still misses a lot of easy chances which I find scary given his record already and attempts take-ons when he should just keep it simple.
Teams like Japan are anything but "piss poor" by the way. That term I'd personally reserve for European qualifiers and friendlies against San Marino, Gibraltar, Luxembourg, Island, Faroese and the likes.
4 goals against Japan mean nothing, the standar for Brazil is scoring one or two goals against Germany or Italy in the world cup final.
So far he's got 6 goals in 9 appearances in the Copa America and World Cup and that's pretty good going. Nothing else is really of any importance. I think Pelé scored 20 in 20 in those two competitions.
His stats really are beefed up by the fact Brazil regularly play friendlies against cannon fodder and countries we never knew existed.
Brazil's friendlies are no harder or easier than those of any other nation. Every national team plays against a combination of weak and strong opponents, so there's simply no basis for asserting that Neymar's stats have any less merit than any other player.
The only major difference between Neymar and some of the other Brazilian greats is that Neymar is this Brazil's ONLY prolific scorer. Throughout history, Brazil has had fearsome striker duos and attacking midfielders so their threat came from everywhere. The current Brazil's play is completely reliant on Neymar. If anything, this is what beefs up his statistics, but it's actually extremely precarious for the Brazil team as we all observed this summer.
The only major difference between Neymar and some of the other Brazilian greats is that Neymar is this Brazil's ONLY prolific scorer. Throughout history, Brazil has had fearsome striker duos and attacking midfielders so their threat came from everywhere. The current Brazil's play is completely reliant on Neymar. If anything, this is what beefs up his statistics, but it's actually extremely precarious for the Brazil team as we all observed this summer.
Jesus, talk about belittling someone's achievements at the age of 22. He comes into one, if not the worst Brazil side in two decades with laughable talent compared to years gone past, and he has reached 40 goals which is incredible, not even to forget the fact that Brazil didn't have World cup qualifiers this tournament. He is a very talented fecker, I'll give him that.
Uh, not to piss all over your point or anything but it's more likely because of this that he's scored so many goals already... they did play friendlies in the meanwhile you know? Nonetheless, 40 international goals at age 22 is ridiculous whatever way you dress it up.
Here is how his goals break down:
Would have been better to get the rankings when the games were played (for example Spain was #1 at the time of the Confeds final) but better than nothing I guess.
Would have been better to get the rankings when the games were played (for example Spain was #1 at the time of the Confeds final) but better than nothing I guess.
Yeah I completely agree with you. The funny thing is though, even though he played more friendlies than the norm, the teams he scored against were mostly in or near the top 20 in the world; Argentina, Colombia, Chile and Portugal are some of the teams he scored against over the past 2 years of friendlies, which are much harder than the World Cup quali teams he would usually face. Also, the extra friendlies he did play only adds up to a handful more games than what the other South American teams played before the World Cup, if you combine their qualification games with their friendlies.
Not sure whether the majority of his goals have come against then-top 20 NTs, but he has indeed scored on a lot of the top teams he's faced.
As far as home games are concerned the bolded part is likely quite true, but it's harder to gauge when it comes to the away trips in CONMEBOL. I doubt it's easier to score, say, in La Paz, Quito or Lima in a WC qualifier than it is against a selección local Argentina, an open attacking Japan or a Portugal side that conceded twice against Northern Ireland 4 days earlier
.All that said, his competitive scoring record is actually better than his gpg in friendlies (thanks to the Confed Cup, but still mightily impressive).
Still the most pathetic, over-glorified little cnut in contemporary football.
For sure
When you look at his Confederation Cup & World Cup exploits it doesn't appear that it will be that deceptive though. He hasn't played an enormity of competitive games, yet still delivers when it counts.
Discounting the Olympics, Neymar has 8 goals in 10 games at major international tournaments.
As a comparison, how many goals have Messi and Ronaldo scored for the NT at their respective age?
I made a list before about NT goals per game ratio for the last 3 years with all the top scorers and Neymar tops it. Should be somewhere, I went off wiki though so may have been incorrect with a goal here and there.
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