Our Rivals Squad next year - Arsenal

So many bitter Arsenal fans here :lol:

I find it difficult to comprehend why they just have to bring up United's start when we are discussing Arsenal in an Arsenal thread. Running short of excuses to defend Wenger?
 
Bestie07 said:
So many bitter Arsenal fans here :lol:

I find it difficult to comprehend why they just have to bring up United's start when we are discussing Arsenal in an Arsenal thread. Running short of excuses to defend Wenger?
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To deflect from their own issues.
 
At about the 1 min mark she tried to put works in his mouth "so you didn't win because they didn't come out of their half enough?" And that's what pissed him off. These football journos do that so often, it's no wonder the managers get annoyed with them. I think she was the prick in that exchange.
 
duffer said:
At about the 1 min mark she tried to put works in his mouth "so you didn't win because they didn't come out of their half enough?" And that's what pissed him off. These football journos do that so often, it's no wonder the managers get annoyed with them. I think she was the prick in that exchange.
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Absolutely no way, mate. Oatley tied him up in knots towards the end, which was the great to see.

Wenger says they concede too many goals > Oatley later asks if the fans are right to question his decision to not strengthen in defence/defensive midfield > Wenger patronisingly asks whether she watched the game today as that wasn't their downfall > Oatley then directs him back to his previous point about conceding too many goals, thus making her question pertinent.

Beautiful.
 
If you finished top 4, being top of the league for a long stretch, and won the FA Cup, you'd ideally look to improve on that the next season. Esp if you have a rather youngish squad with a good established core and a nice transfer budget as well. The need to consolidate is vital and Arsenal have been great at this, I'd give them that but when are Arsenal REALLY going to kick onto the next gear and GENUINELY challenge for the CL and the EPL? I'd understand settling for a top 4 place if the squad isn't good enough, the team is going through a significant transition or the club doesn't have enough financial power to go forward. You can understand Liverpool trying to consolidate their top 4 place given the circumstances that they are in right now as a club overall but why shouldn't Arsenal look to improve instead of just looking to consolidate every single year? They are in better financial shape now and have the financial strength (not as much as the big guns but their team isn't in dire need of heavy investment), an excellent, stable first team and a capable manager (questionable).

They can't play the team is too young card and it would be their year next year as they have a nice blend of experienced internationals and promising youth players. They can't point to the lack of financial strength either as they have shown capable of spending big when it's required. Like I've stated earlier it's not like they need a massive injection of funds into the squad, they just need a top-notch defender and a defensive midfielder. You can sympathise with them for the staggering amount of injuries that they pick up but it is tiresome to hear the same repeated excuse again and again. Surely any manager worth his salt would have known his squad is rather injury prone by now and acted accordingly to get the necessary depth at required areas, esp defense instead of leaving it woefully short of personnel.

You could levy the last accusation at United but LVG is new to his squad and doesn't know his players inside out yet and this injury crisis must have taken him by surprise. Something you can't say about the annual Arsenal injury crisis. United tend to be unfortunate when it comes to injuries but I can't recall an injury crisis this bad in the recent past and it is more of a blip than a normal occurrence which is the case at Arsenal. We aren't competing in Europe and as such it wouldn't make sense to have too many personnel in the defense. You can be pretty sure he is going to do something to address it and not be like Wenger who sold his third choice centre-back without really replacing him and was obstinate to the end about getting another striker in the team until Giroud got injured and Welbeck became available.

If I'm not mistaken he made an absurd claim about him not bowing to the pressure from fans into buying another striker even after Giroud was injured. How bleeding obvious was it to just about anyone bar Wenger that Arsenal needed another striker even when Giroud was fit? His stubbornness knows no bounds and you can imagine him going into the season with Sanogo as the main striker if Welbeck wasn't available last minute.
 
Buchan said:
Absolutely no way, mate. Oatley tied him up in knots towards the end, which was the great to see.

Wenger says they concede too many goals > Oatley later asks if the fans are right to question his decision to not strengthen in defence/defensive midfield > Wenger patronisingly asks whether she watched the game today as that wasn't their downfall > Oatley then directs him back to his previous point about conceding too many goals, thus making her question pertinent.

Beautiful.
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After the 2 minute mark it was just pure patronizing bullshit from Wenger. The question about how Arsenal fans think not signing a DM or defenders was very relevant but he comes with I can understand everything but I don't understand why you ask me that which is remarkable really
 
Eboue said:
Who expected that? I can't remember any of us expecting to win the title with five senior defenders and Flamini at defensive midfield.
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I would think that that would be a reasonable expectation, fourth place and success in the Cup, then you add Sanchez and the next Henry, why would you dampen expectations? The only way from last season should be up and if it doesn't then things must change, people paying with their jobs!
Why are the issues that were apparent last season still issues when you have spent a fair amount of money? And do you really want the current United to be the standard that your team is measured against? Really, a side that finished seventh after the Moyes demolition job, let go of a huge chunk of it's players and is in the early stages of a massive rebuild? I don't think so.
 
Arsenal are going nowhere, and it must be so frustrating for the fans. Same old league campaign for years. We'll win the league before they do, no doubt.
 
Oakley did more questioning in that interview than the press have done to Wenger in two, three years. Nothing wrong with his response, nor her questioning.

BD94 said:
Arsenal are going nowhere, and it must be so frustrating for the fans. Same old league campaign for years. We'll win the league before they do, no doubt.
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That's the thing -- nothing new to say about Arsenal. Not only the most boring club to report about, but frustrating to watch.

Wenger's good to a certain point. He'll get them in the top four and I see no reason why this season will be the exception. Because Liverpool, Spurs are having a tough time, and I don't think Southampton and Everton can last the pace. And even if one of the teams breaks into fourth place, can they sustain it? No chance. Arsenal will run into a period of good form, come May they'll be celebrating. And cycle remains.

Wenger can't take them to the next step. At his age, he won't abandon everything just because people think his tactics are outdated. There's nothing wrong with working on your players' strengths. It looks as though he gives his players too much trust to think on their feet, and when you do that with potential, the same mistakes keep cropping up.

The board won't sack him because he makes them money. He won't walk either -- he clearly isn't motivated about trophies, nor is in football for the money. So it puzzles me as to what motivates him.
 
KM said:
What an absolutely stupid comparison. We had a team which was low on confidence with a new manager and loads of injuries in the first few weeks. In contrast, you had a stable team who just won something in ages last season(also on injuries). It's too simplistic to post just facts without any context.
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You should make sure you understand the point I was making before calling it absolutely stupid. It's not only a bit rude but it makes you look like a bit of a tit. The point was that Arsenal have a better chance of competing for the title by virtue of playing a difficult set of fixtures and coming out one point behind Man Utd with an incredibly easy set of fixtures. The point was never to say van Gaal is doing a bad job or di Maria sucks, just to note that crowing about Arsenal's start is a bit premature given the respective spot in the table each team occupies. Since you brought up context, maybe you should read the posts that preceded the "absolutely stupid" one and gain some clarity.
 
Buchan said:
Absolutely no way, mate. Oatley tied him up in knots towards the end, which was the great to see.

Wenger says they concede too many goals > Oatley later asks if the fans are right to question his decision to not strengthen in defence/defensive midfield > Wenger patronisingly asks whether she watched the game today as that wasn't their downfall > Oatley then directs him back to his previous point about conceding too many goals, thus making her question pertinent.

Beautiful.
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And Wenger answered that by saying it's less to do with personnel and more to do with lack of concentration (Which I personally disagree with). No idea how you can watch that interview and come to the conclusion you did. duffer is absolutely right, she tries putting words in his mouth and ends up looking like a moron herself.
 
If our manager had given an interview like that I'd be raging and calling for his sacking. Complete refusal to take responsibility, seeming complete lack of any ideas (we were unlucky is a frankly pathetic excuse given this wasnt a one off bad result) and just seemingly completely delusional and utterly condescending. What a massive prick that man has become.
 
Bestie07 said:
So many bitter Arsenal fans here :lol:

I find it difficult to comprehend why they just have to bring up United's start when we are discussing Arsenal in an Arsenal thread. Running short of excuses to defend Wenger?
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They bring it up, then run away when pressed on it. Its absolutely pathetic.
 
Eboue said:
You should make sure you understand the point I was making before calling it absolutely stupid. It's not only a bit rude but it makes you look like a bit of a tit. The point was that Arsenal have a better chance of competing for the title by virtue of playing a difficult set of fixtures and coming out one point behind Man Utd with an incredibly easy set of fixtures. The point was never to say van Gaal is doing a bad job or di Maria sucks, just to note that crowing about Arsenal's start is a bit premature given the respective spot in the table each team occupies. Since you brought up context, maybe you should read the posts that preceded the "absolutely stupid" one and gain some clarity.
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It's not United you need to be 1 point behind (which you're not, you're on level points, but United have a game in hand), though, if you want to be challenging for the title. We're not winning the title, either. So, to keep bringing our start into the debate is stupid, and pointless, and irrelevant, and futile. Arsenal are 11 and 6 points behind Chelsea and City, respectively - they are your supposed competitors and already Arsenal are eating dust in their wake.
 
TooBias said:
It's not United you need to be 1 point behind (which you're not, you're on level points, but United have a game in hand), though, if you want to be challenging for the title. We're not winning the title, either. So, to keep bringing our start into the debate is stupid, and pointless, and irrelevant, and futile. Arsenal are 11 and 6 points behind Chelsea and City, respectively - they are your supposed competitors and already Arsenal are eating dust in their wake.
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I don't expect to be challenging for the title this year.
 
Eboue said:
I don't expect to be challenging for the title this year.
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"The point was that Arsenal have a better chance of competing for the title by virtue of playing a difficult set of fixtures and coming out one point behind Man Utd with an incredibly easy set of fixtures."

So, what is your point?
 
TooBias said:
"The point was that Arsenal have a better chance of competing for the title by virtue of playing a difficult set of fixtures and coming out one point behind Man Utd with an incredibly easy set of fixtures."

So, what is your point?
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I don't expect Man Utd to challenge for the title this year either. This is pretty straightforward. Not sure why you think you have found a smoking gun.
 
Eboue said:
I don't expect Man Utd to challenge for the title this year either. This is pretty straightforward. Not sure why you think you have found a smoking gun.
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So why mention anything about competing for the title? Certainly no United fan is expecting to win the title. Basically, you have no point. You're just trying to deflect from Arsenal's shit start, which comes off the back of a summer of false hope, and have to use results of an embattled United side to try and diminish just how shit Arsenal's start has been.
 
Arsenal fans here:"Yeah we're bad but look at United, they're not any better.."

Wenger is an absolute prick in that interview and doesn't want to take responsibility for anything but that's nothing new really...
 
TooBias said:
So why mention anything about competing for the title? Certainly no United fan is expecting to win the title. Basically, you have no point. You're just trying to deflect from Arsenal's shit start, which comes off the back of a summer of false hope, and have to use results of an embattled United side to try and diminish just how shit Arsenal's start has been.
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Where do you come up with this stuff? Deflect? Our start has been very frustrating and the worst thing is that it was entirely predictable because of our failure to add the players we needed to this summer. I've been on here quite a while and I put up with all the awful 8-2 jokes. I don't need to diminish or deflect our poor start. It happens. It's just a game.
 
Eboue said:
Arsenal fans here: "Yeah we're bad but look at United, they're not any better so they probably shouldn't be gloating about how hilarious it is to watch Arsenal's early struggles"
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You're still not getting it are you?

There is a reason for our early struggles, a reason that anyone with half a brain could have seen coming, a reason that even our manager pointed out before the season had even started. You have no such reason for your terrible start, you've just been crap.
 
Eboue said:
Arsenal fans here: "Yeah we're bad but look at United, they're not any better so they probably shouldn't be gloating about how hilarious it is to watch Arsenal's early struggles"
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Sorry, I didnt know you are not allowed to say anything negative about Arsenal in Arsenal thread in an United forum...

Maybe, just maybe some posters here aren't gloating but just stating the obvious - and that is that it has been same old Arsenal this year so far..
Not to mention situations of Arsenal and United are really different.
We have had a terrible last year, new manager, lots of new players and so on, you have basically the same team, the same manager, few new good players and nothing has changed..
But what does United have with any on it. It's an Arsenal thread where people write what they think of Arsenal this year..

But do bring United again out of nothing.
 
Mali_Zeus said:
Sorry, I didnt know you are not allowed to say anything negative about Arsenal in Arsenal thread in an United forum...

Maybe, just maybe some posters here aren't gloating but just stating the obvious - and that is that it has been same old Arsenal this year so far..
Not to mention situations of Arsenal and United are really different.
We have had a terrible last year, new manager, lots of new players and so on, you have basically the same team, the same manager, few new good players and nothing has changed..
But what does United have with any on it. It's an Arsenal thread where people write what they think of Arsenal this year..

But do bring United again out of nothing.
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So you point is that you should be allowed to gloat about Arsenal's poor start and no one should be allowed to mention United's poorer start?
 
Eboue said:
So you point is that you should be allowed to gloat about Arsenal's poor start and no one should be allowed to mention United's poorer start?
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Oh my god..

No, my point is I should be allowed to say (not 'gloat') Arsenal had a poor start.. Again.. Without Arsenal fans predictably mentioning United to defend their poor start..
 
Mali_Zeus said:
Oh my god..

No, my point is I should be allowed Arsenal had a poor start.. Again.. Without Arsenal fans predictably mentioning United to defend their poor start..
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So exactly what I said then? This is the football forum. Things aren't discussed in a vacuum. When people say Ronaldo is great, others compare him to Messi. When people say Arsenal have had a poor start, others compare it to Manchester United. You come across as a bit of a fanny when you get so sensitive about that.
 
Mali_Zeus said:
Oh my god..

No, my point is I should be allowed to say (not 'gloat') Arsenal had a poor start.. Again.. Without Arsenal fans predictably mentioning United to defend their poor start..
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Its become their go to. Rather then address Arsenal's terrible start (2 wins in 8 games) they just deflect straight to United. Completely disregarding the completely different circumstances, and the fact that if we win tomorrow we'll have won double the amount of games they've managed so far.

Arsenal should finish ahead of us this season, quite comfortably too. Right now, they're (predictably) making an absolute balls of it.
 
Eboue said:
So exactly what I said then? This is the football forum. Things aren't discussed in a vacuum. When people say Ronaldo is great, others compare him to Messi. When people say Arsenal have had a poor start, others compare it to Manchester United. You come across as a bit of a fanny when you get so sensitive about that.
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You mean deflect it because you have nothing to say about your own terrible start.

Rooney in Dublin said:
You're the only one getting sensitive about anything Eboue! :lol:
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:lol:
 
Eboue said:
So exactly what I said then? This is the football forum. Things aren't discussed in a vacuum. When people say Ronaldo is great, others compare him to Messi. When people say Arsenal have had a poor start, others compare it to Manchester United. You come across as a bit of a fanny when you get so sensitive about that.
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:lol:
I'm sensitive? :lol:

Right now talking to you it's like talking to a 3 year old.

"Yeah but you're worse!"
"Yeah, but my dad is stronger than yours!"
"Yeah, but you're sensitive!"
"Yeah, yeah, but, but.."

Anyhow @Sam put it rightly. You're feeling better mentioning United I guess.
 
Eboue said:
You want Arsenal fans to not be allowed to mention United's poor start in a discussion about Arsenal's poor start.
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Please quote me where I said 'Arsenal fans are not to be allowed to mention United's poor start...'?

I just said you're defending your poor start by mentioning United and I guess you feel better when you mention it.
That doesnt change the fact your start has been poor and Arsenal as a club is going nowhere as it was mentioned here.
But we're going in circles, I expect another reply by you to just keep this insane conversation going.
 
Mali_Zeus said:
Please quote me where I said 'Arsenal fans are not to be allowed to mention United's poor start...'?

I just said you're defending your poor start by mentioning United and I guess you feel better when you mention it.
That doesnt change the fact your start has been poor and Arsenal as a club is going nowhere as it was mentioned here.
But we're going in circles, I expect another reply by you to just keep this insane conversation going.
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Mali_Zeus said:
I should be allowed to say (not 'gloat') Arsenal had a poor start.. Again.. Without Arsenal fans predictably mentioning United to defend their poor start..
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qed
 
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