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@Cheesy Beware! You have a dogger in your midst.
 
NinjaFletch said:
On the subject of the economy its nice to know we can afford dropping bombs on a foreign country when we apparently can't afford anything else.
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It's OK, we'll take it out of the overseas aid budget.

EDIT: Bolding is my phone being an arsehole. New one after the elephant pic.
 
Ubik said:
I hope he goes doorknocking in the Holyrood elections next year.
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That would be fun. A team of Collymore and Alex Salmond out on the streets.

Silva said:
Does he even live in Scotland?
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I don't think so.:lol:

Mind you, the Wings Over Scotland guy is fairly pro-SNP but lives in Bath. And he's an arsehole. Maybe we've got a trend with English SNP people.:nervous:
 
A funny symmetry of Benn's speech today with one (of differing opinion) made by his father 17 years ago, in the shape of the bloke sitting to their right-rear:



Don't think Corbyn enjoyed Hilary's to the same extent.
 
Ubik said:
A funny symmetry of Benn's speech today with one (of differing opinion) made by his father 17 years ago, in the shape of the bloke sitting to their right-rear:



Don't think Corbyn enjoyed Hilary's to the same extent.
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And what a speech it was, RIP Tony Benn, they don't make them like him anymore.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Cameron constantly fecks up like this, but does the media at large have a go at him for it? Do they chuff.
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The reason they haven't is because that quote conveniently misses off the important line "I would say to them 'change direction, join us in attacking ISIL'." which was a opinion also voiced by Obama and others.
 
Jippy said:
It's OK, we'll take it out of the overseas aid budget.

EDIT: Bolding is my phone being an arsehole. New one after the elephant pic.
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:lol:Not sure how it did that. If capital letters on a forum are SHOUTING what is random bolding? Just being a general dick?
 
Benn's speech was alright. Not the best of the day. Style over substance. Apparently if you passionately shout comparisons with Hitler that marks you out as a great public speaker. If you ask me it was applauded, primarily by Conservative MPs, because he was speaking against Corbyn, and also as it was the last speech of the day. This has lead to it being picked up by the media who are also using it to emphasise divisions with Corbyn.

Davis made the best speech from a substance and argumentation point of view (of the ones I saw)
 
Kaos said:
Essentially branding Corbyn and everyone who disagrees with bombing as a 'terrorist-sympathiser'
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Video of 12 MPs mentioning it and Cameron refusing to apologise

http://www.itv.com/news/2015-12-02/...never-used-the-phrase-terrorist-sympathisers/
Shamwow said:
Glad to see (although not surprised) that my local MP John Cryer voted against.
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My home town MP (Derek Twigg) voted against too.

Shame the MP of the town where I reside now voted for.

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=conor mcginn&src=typd
 
Fallon out already dick swinging over one air strike, apparently dealing a "real blow to ISIS". Makes you wonder what our allies have been doing.

Meanwhile, across the pond John McCain has been laughing off the idea that Britian will make any significant contribution.
 
Kaos said:
I'd vote SNP but I live in the feckin poshest part of Hertfordshire.
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Hah we're neighbours.

Who's your MP?

I'm really conflicted, I'm eligible to vote in the Scottish Parliament election next year and agree with the SNP on most things, except the fate of the Union.
 
Marching said:
The reason they haven't is because that quote conveniently misses off the important line "I would say to them 'change direction, join us in attacking ISIL'." which was a opinion also voiced by Obama and others.
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I don't think you quite heard me clearly enough, Sir. I said "chuff". Therefore your argument is null and void. Good day, Sir. It's been a long day already I have no idea what I'm saying now
 
One thing that is very much frustrating me is how all the protesters are getting branded as bullies because of a few bad apples on social media. There is a concerted attempt by those on the right to undermine peaceful opposition to their views by tying it in to the narrative of bullying and deselections.

The demonstration in Walthamstow was peaceful and in my opinion exactly what a demonstration should be but it has been used as a political football against those who do not support the war. Here's an account of what really happened:

OK - If you're worrying about activism in Walthamstow please read and share this.

I just want to set the record straight for anyone reading or listening to the news about Walthamstow and Stella Creasy which as far as I can tell is totally UNTRUE.

On Tuesday a local resident Sophie Bolt and Rev Steven Saxby organised a family vigil organised which myself and others helped to publicise quickly on social media. No one asked me to do it, I just did it.

It was a beautiful, calm meet-up of for anyone who wanted to come and wanted to show our MP Stella Creasy that we wanted her to vote NO on air strikes in Syria. We met at the Queen’s Road mosque with candles in jam jars and walked quietly to Stella’s Labour office on Orford road where there were speeches by religious and community leaders. It was a beautiful, community, inspiring family event of people trying to make their voices heard against the air strikes and trying to influence Stella, even though we knew she was in Westminster.

We took post-it notes and thought it would be powerful to write messages of peace and stick them on the office window. It looked beautiful and powerful.

The next day we realised someone called Paul S Jakubovic had put up a FB post on the Refugees Welcome UK website with a picture of the start of the vigil which was outside the mosque. You can see the mosque on the right if you zoom in, but mostly it's just the houses next to it, and he said we were outside Stella’s house and said something incendiary about her not having children to worry about. His exact post was: "“outside [her] house…apparently she has still to make up her mind – and she has no children to upset”. He managed to get some police in the pic which made it look like a demo and it was dark and blurry. In fact the very low police presence were very helpful and friendly throughout.

Then we went to her office about half a mile away. There were about 200 people including children and various community and religious leaders spoke - it was very inspiring peace rally. The police were laid-back and friendly there was no intrusive police presence.

NOW FOR THE MOST WORRYING THING - the picture and FB post message by Paul S Jakubovic was found by the Independent and used in an article about the social media activity lobbying Stella to vote No in Walthamstow started off a mass media misinformation story about constituents bullying Stella. It was then picked up by LBC, the Standard and many other media and went viral on social media. I tried to counteract lots of it, especially with journalists following up the story.

Then someone found out Paul S Jakubovic's FB account was created the night before and posted from Leeds although when I searched for him it says he lives in Orpington, Kent. Nowhere near Walthamstow! Now if you search for him his account won't open. He decided to use this peaceful family event to defame the peace actions of our amazing community! Why??

When I realised that the Independent had used his picture and post to create their story stating Stella was targeted I contacted the journalist but she wouldn't retract it. Then it went all over the world. I was sobbing with frustration. Please share this version of events. There may of course be things I don’t know that happened separate to the vigil. All I know is the vigil was peaceful and no-threatening and the thousands of FB posts I’ve seen from Walthamstow residents are respectful but utterly desperate to share their views with Stella to vote NO. That is democracy - that is what she asked for. That is not bullying.
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That ignores the context, which Corbyn supporters should be used to acknowledging by now. There is a campaign by the hard left in Walthamstow to have her deselected, and it pre-dates this vote by some time. And she had to leave the debate yesterday because her office was receiving abusive phone calls.
 
Ubik said:
That ignores the context, which Corbyn supporters should be used to acknowledging by now. There is a campaign by the hard left in Walthamstow to have her deselected, and it pre-dates this vote by some time. And she had to leave the debate yesterday because her office was receiving abusive phone calls.
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So it's okay for the papers to mislead the public about peaceful protesters? This is exactly what I'm saying. YES there are people out there who are using abuse, mainly on social media. This is nothing new, this is nothing unique to the "hard left". If you look at the replies to Corbyn's tweets you will see some vile things being said which aren't being tied into a narrative of "hard right bullying".

But what is wrong is lumping all these people together and using the bad ones as a way to undermine the peaceful protesters who are exercising their rights as citizens.

It's building a narrative that is misrepresenting the truth of the situation.
 
It's not like there's not a narrative to push though. Think how suspicious you are of any organisation that says the folk that did something bad were just "a few bad apples", rather than a sign of a more widespread problem. Peter Kyle received a photo of a dead baby in the mail, for example. This isn't just social media trolls.
 
Ubik said:
It's not like there's not a narrative to push though. Think how suspicious you are of any organisation that says the folk that did something bad were just "a few bad apples", rather than a sign of a more widespread problem. Peter Kyle received a photo of a dead baby in the mail, for example. This isn't just social media trolls.
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But they are using the bad apples to undermine everyone else, that's my issue. What % of Corbyn supporters do you think are doing the actual trolling (whether it be social media or otherwise). It doesn't take many people to create a lot of noise.
 
Case in point

A clear majority of London’s Labour MPs were set to oppose Syria air strikes tonight after coming under massive pressure from Left-wingers threatening them with deselection.

Some complained bitterly of dirty tricks as anti-war activists used emails and trolling on social media to intimidate those who had not pledged to oppose military action. The office of Walthamstow MP Stella Creasy was targeted by protesters who emblazoned the word “No” on her door in sticky notes. They then reportedly marched to her home. As reported by the Standard in recent weeks, Ms Creasy faces a threat of deselection after Left-wingers seized key positions in her local party.
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Do they know where the picture originally came from?
 
NinjaFletch said:
Hah we're neighbours.

Who's your MP?

I'm really conflicted, I'm eligible to vote in the Scottish Parliament election next year and agree with the SNP on most things, except the fate of the Union.
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Anne Main.

Well considering its the Scottish Parliament I'd go ahead and vote with your conscience. Heck if Corbyn is forced out by 2020 I might pull a Collymore by voting for the Greens while donating to the SNP :lol:
 
The bit that was said by someone as left out is in this video, so that you can have the full quotation. I don't think it changes the context of the one in the photo I posted though - as if one kind of bombing creates people who hate you and want revenge, but another kind of bombing doesn't create people who hate you and want revenge :rolleyes:

 
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