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Hi Dwayne, long time no speak. :)

Not that i've been deprived of Canadians to talk to these past months, although French Canadian primarily.
 
No idea how Warsi got to be in such a prominent position within the Tory party. Well actually we do know, but it's still mental. She's a huge liability.
 
Baroness warsi ran around from studio to studio trying to talk down the number of seats Labour needed for a good night , on the BBC it was 500 then on Sky it was 700 and on the Radio it was 800 to 900.She's a joke of a campaign manager.
 
She was nearly in tears by Newsnight. I know its tough doing that much TV work in 24 hours but she is utterly useless. At one point she was asked if she'd stay in the job and she replied 'you'll have to ask David'.
 
Delighted that Boris has won again, he's proven a lot of people wrong with how he has conducted himself as a mayor and during his re-election. Although I have to agree with comments about Warsi; she is absolutely hysterical and a complete liability.
 
Delighted that Boris has won again, he's proven a lot of people wrong with how he has conducted himself as a mayor and during his re-election. Although I have to agree with comments about Warsi; she is absolutely hysterical and a complete liability.

Power has gone to her head more than anybody else in the cabinet which is ironic considering she is a Minister without Portfolio.
 
Possibly related to her never having been elected.
 
They need a brown face - she's too stupid to realise she's a token. Horrible to watch.

If it was as simple as that there are others who could be promoted into higher profile positions so i recall.

Cameron [at least before he knew better] might also have wished for another prominent woman in the cabinet, particularly with Theresa May and Caroline Spellman being the two most well known at present. A fair few coalition members all too familiar with controversy or incompetence, quite without the red herrings created by their oppponents such as the pasty tax.

So, do you all think that Ed is now safe in post until the next general election?

Of course with there being EU elections in 2014 and UKIP likely to perform well again, it will be Cameron who might be coming under pressure within.
 
More trouble for Dave tomorrow?

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I've heard it said that the Tories have always been more ruthless with their leaders then Labour, but I find it hard to believe there's a serious movement against Cameron.

To do what, replace one Bullingdon boy with another? That might raise a thought or two amongst even the stupider Tory voters.
 
I think its the start of Dorries' defection to UKIP, though by all accounts they don't want her. She's basically a Tory version of Clare Short.

Sunday Times splash on Cameron u-turning on gay marriage is hopefully rubbish.
 
Sunday Times splash on Cameron u-turning on gay marriage is hopefully rubbish.

Agreed, i fail to see why that has even entered the debate concerning policy changes. It shouldn't be a time consuming piece of legislation and its opponents not deserving of he profile they are suddenly receiving.


Re: Post-Cameron leadership race
Of the established names i'd expect to see somebody like David Davis making one last attempt and with reasonable expectations. Not very current with his views on climate change as i recall however is respected for the stand he took on civil liberties. Most important of all he isn't tainted by his participation in the present cabinet.


May or Grayling are asking to be shuffled out of their jobs and sacrificed sooner or later.
 
They don't have anything like the talent to replace Cameron with. He's pretty lightweight but at least he can play the game. Most of the rest of them are total clowns.
 
I think its the start of Dorries' defection to UKIP, though by all accounts they don't want her. She's basically a Tory version of Clare Short.


I laughed out loud when she did her interview with the Mail saying Cameron and Osbourne are out of touch with the public, this coming from a politician who spends her time arguing against abortion and in favour of religion, who exactly is out of touch here?
 
Mr Cameron will start his fightback this week with the Queen’s Speech.

The Sunday Telegraph has established it will:

* Make firing underperforming employees easier in an attempt to free up the labour market and create jobs.

* Extend flexible working to anyone with a job, in an attempt to overcome Tory unpopularity among women, which analysts warn could be a serious threat at the next election;

* clamp down on crime with a new “British FBI”, tougher anti-social behaviour measures and community sentences;

* not include a Bill on HS2, which is hugely unpopular with backbenchers. Nor will it contain measures to allow private universities, which had risked a damaging rift with the Liberal Democrats;

* avoid legislation to set a minimum level of foreign aid spending, a plan that has been derided by rebellious backbenchers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9248592/Battleplan-to-avert-Tory-war.html



The point on crime sounds like the recycling of previously announced policies and gimmicks. Moves to advance flexible working are obviously welcome and not before time.

Foreign aid...that's the 0.7% of GDP target right? Andrew Mitchell has often struck me as being quite proud of the job and DFID, he won't be happy to hear about that.
 
They don't have anything like the talent to replace Cameron with. He's pretty lightweight but at least he can play the game. Most of the rest of them are total clowns.

Liam Fox would have made a very good potential leader, if it were not for the shady dealings involving his 'friend' Adam Werrity. Jeremy Hunt is another one with a high calibre whose ambitions have been seriously dented by his conduct as a Minister. Realistically, at present, the only Tory politician who would be able to stand a chance at challenging Cameron in a leadership bid is not even an MP.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9248592/Battleplan-to-avert-Tory-war.html



The point on crime sounds like the recycling of previously announced policies and gimmicks. Moves to advance flexible working are obviously welcome and not before time.

Foreign aid...that's the 0.7% of GDP target right? Andrew Mitchell has often struck me as being quite proud of the job and DFID, he won't be happy to hear about that.

Instead of wheeling out new reforms, they should concentrate on doing no (more) damage and steadying the ship. That's the proper role of a minority government with no mandate. Not flailing about with right-wing ideology that flouts basic macroeconomics and trying to rip up the welfare state.

Liam Fox would have made a very good potential leader, if it were not for the shady dealings involving his 'friend' Adam Werrity. Jeremy Hunt is another one with a high calibre whose ambitions have been seriously dented by his conduct as a Minister. Realistically, at present, the only Tory politician who would be able to stand a chance at challenging Cameron in a leadership bid is not even an MP.

Fox seems bright. Hunt is a fool.
 
Instead of wheeling out new reforms, they should concentrate on doing no (more) damage and steadying the ship. That's the proper role of a minority government with no mandate. Not flailing about with right-wing ideology that flouts basic macroeconomics and trying to rip up the welfare state.

Well reforms are open to debate aren't they? On the one hand i don't think that the country would suffer much at the loss of HS2 and changes ot the House of Lords, however it would be better for improved equality and the promotion of flexible working.

It seem to me that there is not a great deal of room for manoeuvres in regard to the economy. The NHS bill was bloated and contained shifts of approach more suited to a tie where the consequences could be sufficiently explored [quite unnecessary in its original form]. For all the debate surrounding disability benefit i have just seen mine rise, that one is a bit more complicated i feel. *shrugs*

Cameron may well be in trouble down the road however the way things are going i don't see us heading to a majority government in 2015, whether it be for the Conservatives or Labour.
 
Well reforms are open to debate aren't they? On the one hand i don't think that the country would suffer much at the loss of HS2 and changes ot the House of Lords, however it would be better for improved equality and the promotion of flexible working.

It seem to me that there is not a great deal of room for manoeuvres in regard to the economy. The NHS bill was bloated and contained shifts of approach more suited to a tie where the consequences could be sufficiently explored [quite unnecessary in its original form]. For all the debate surrounding disability benefit i have just seen mine rise, that one is a bit more complicated i feel. *shrugs*

Cameron may well be in trouble down the road however the way things are going i don't see us heading to a majority government in 2015, whether it be for the Conservatives or Labour.

What is HS2 ?
 
Certainly puts the nail in coffin of the myth that Cameron is 'heir to Blair' if he can't push through any decent reforms.

I think the next couple of years will see the economy grow anyway, and they'll still win the next election. I don't think Ed Miliband has it in him to be PM.
 
Or the moderates in the party like I

By the way TB, this is a hypercorrection - presumably influenced by as and than?

There's been much debate over whether it should be me or I after as and than - whether should it be

(1) Ken is as red as me

or

(2) Ken is as red as I

In other words, can as and than be prepositions or are they always subordinators? The linguistic evidence is surprisingly complex (I can summarise it if you're interested), but I think most would agree they can be either - i.e. both sentences are grammatical. Traditionalists discourage (2), but pretty much everyone uses the construction (does anyone really say they're nowhere near as good as we in normal conversation?).

What there is no disagreement on, I don't think, is whether like is a subordinator. It definitely isn't. So the moderates like I is ungrammatical.
 
I'm pretty sure if you mined pete to the core you'd find less affection for Boris Johnson than you would for Steve Perryman.
I always quite liked Perryman (in relative terms), possibly because Spurs fans claimed he was as good a the great Charlie when they were lads. Seems he's pretty ill right now, so I hope he pulls through, 60 is a bit early to be pegging out.
 
Great performance from Ed today, had Cameron squirming throughout.

Was it? From the parts i heard both Cameron and Miliband cane across as rather uninspiring. Not that this should come as news to anyone however.