Kerry didn't deny US aircraft carriers were en route to the region. Totally side stepped the question.
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WW3. I'll get the popcorn.
Anyone see the vid of the ruskies firing AKs over the heads of Ukrainian unarmed troops?? madness, this is going to kick off at some point im sure there will be fighting of some form before the end.
The western media as usual have really exaggerated this conflict.
The Kremlin is orchestrating a media campaign to portray all the Maidan protesters as fascists. Some of them no doubt are, and the campaign has certainly been successful. By the same means, a lot of the protesters aren't - they just don't want to live in a rancid state like Yanukovych's Ukraine. But, in any case, the big joke is that the state most closely resembling fascism is VVPs Russia.
From the 50k Thread haha
From the 50k Thread haha
Surprised, no one posted this yet. This is a conversation between Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, posted on Youtube on February 4.
Here's a piece on that.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/victori...ey-pyatt-caught-in-leaked-conversation-on-eu/
Here's a piece on that.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/victori...ey-pyatt-caught-in-leaked-conversation-on-eu/
Surely there is no way that US would start a war with Russia over this?
If you want to discuss fascism in Russia, feel free to open a separate thread. I'm pointing out to the key members of thr new Ukrainian government having ties to right-wing extremist parties. Your ridiculous 'Kremlin conspiracy' is completely misplaced as this problem was independently addressed by various German media ages ago (check the links provided in my previous post).
But anyways, not a big deal really. If in the past the US partnered up with scum like Saddam, bin Laden, UCK, Syrian 'rebels', etc, it's not too surprising they'll turn a blind eye on a few anti-Semites making up the new Ukrainian government which they helped creating.
Of course not. I guess that Russia could entirely invade Ukraine and US/Nato won't act (except economical sanctions). If they touch Poland though, it will be WW3.
It won't happen though, worst case scenario is Russia invading south eastern Ukraine but even that likely won't happen. I guess Crimea will become like South Osetia/Abkhazia which ultimatelly won't be a bad thing. They are not Ukrainian people after all, so I guess they have the right to choose under what country they want to live.
Yep, UCK should have never fight. They should have let you kill everyone of us. Scum they were, after all Milosevic was a good guy but all other nations in Yugoslavia made a grand conspiracy against you.
Nope, the UCK was a terrorist organisation operating within a sovereign state. If I recall correctly it was labelled terrorist even by the US at some point.
And no, Milosevic was not a good guy. Albanian secessionist aspirations started long before he ever entered politics.
Pretty much many seperatist organization on some time were called terrorist organization, but the truth is always more complicated than that.
If I recall correctly, Kosovo had an autonomous status but you unilateraly removed it and at the same time 95% of Albanian people (which consisted more than 90% of Kosovo population) were fired from their jobs, University was closed, high schools were closed and you were merciful to leave us only around half of primary schools (of course teachers had to work without wages). And let not even start about killings and tortures Albanian popluation had during the pre-war years.
Of course that every action brings a reaction and UCK was created from people who couldn't continue living in that hell. And you know it. If UCK was terrorists then partizans were even more terrorists. Ganddhi too. And Ce Gevarra. And now Crimea people are terrorists too.
It has nothing to do with this thread, but if you speak nonsense bullshit, you will get a reply.
21:31: E, Vilnius, Lithuania
emails: Russia is holding tactical exercises in Kaliningrad, very near to Lithuania's border. The air is thick with tension, people are talking about war and loss of independence. Mass media keeps flooding the Internet with panic and pessimistic news.
The paranoya is starting to hit everyone hard.
emails: Russia is holding tactical exercises in Kaliningrad, very near to Lithuania's border. The air is thick with tension, people are talking about war and loss of independence. Mass media keeps flooding the Internet with panic and pessimistic news.
The paranoya is starting to hit everyone hard.
Lithuania is a member of NATO. I don't think that even Putin is that stupid to invade them. Then US pretty much will be forced to counter-react.
The media aren't helping really either, like making a headline about a Russian missile test that's been planned already and the Americans were notified in advance as per the agreement. But it's more fun to stick a massive headline up instead.
Will c
Talking of planned things arent the americans due to undertake joint exercises with the south korean military soon? - will be interesting to see the north korean reaction and if russia will be supportive of them
If they Invade a nato country we are all off to war chaps, every man and his nato affiliated dog will be off to war. It will never happen though its basically the world v russia if that happened.
Putin playing games - don't interfere in Ukraine or you might end up with more on your plate.
Kaliningrad is also close to Poland, nothing is going to happen there though. Neither Poland nor Lithuania are in any real danger.
And Russia don't really have the power to handle even one or two strong countries these days.
If it came to that though they do have the nukes... but lets be realistic its not going to come to that
crimea will join russia after a referendum and then everybody can relax - and wait for korea or iran or whatever the next flashpoint will be.
though if they ban roman from spending his roubles on chelski then at least some good will have come from it.
Unlikely, the Russians are a huge driving force in the City, especially in the London housing market. The Russians are bringing in far too much money once they leave Russia for us to put any meaningful restrictions on them.
Probably true... but one can hope
Busy day at the government office..
I guess so.
Yep. Putin doesn't seem to be a man in drugs to start invading NATO countries.
You think so? I had the impression that they are very powerful now (contrary to 10-15 years ago when they weren't). Anyway, the threat of a few thousand nukes would be pretty powerful.
Putin wont invade Lithuania. The last thing he wants is a World War. Ukraine is a desperate act. Don't think it was all well thought out. More a desperate response than a calculated one.
Could we not just get Klitchko and Putin in a ring for 12 rounds to duke it out over the future of Ukraine, make it a pay per view and the new Ukraine would no longer need to go cap in hand to either Russia or the EU.
Russia's stooge got thrown out and Putin is all mad...oh dear. Can you blame Ukranians wanting to live in freedom.
I think this will all die down. Crimea is gone...so whats new with how Russia acts.
I think this will all die down. Crimea is gone...so whats new with how Russia acts.
Freedom might be very subjective, but can you blame Kiev Ukrainians for wanting to reach out towards the EU, rather than towards Russia?
Disregarding factors such as the hypocrisy of Western politicians, nationalism and pride, being a puppet to the EU is infinitely more attractive from the individual's perspective than being a puppet to Russia. And I am saying this as someone who was born in Ukraine.
But the worst option is obviously having Svoboda in power.
Good post. How some continually mock the aspirations of people wanting to improve their lives is beyond me.
I always noticed when I crossed the border between Croatia and Slovenia the massive difference between to two countries in terms of how "modern" and how much richer Slovenia felt than Croatia.
Obviously that could be down to other things than just one being in the EU and I don't know enough about either country to make that assumption. But nor do a lot of people and it's very easy to see lots of green grass in these EU countries.
Not sure what my point is really, just felt like saying it
I think talking about 'freedom' is a bit rich as Ukraine is not North Korea. The issue is more likely a crap economy and corruption. And obviously people will aspire to bring forward a change and better their lives. But please forgive me for not buying the story that this is a 'people's revolution' and it has got nothing to do with the US orchestrating the whole thing.
Who cares the degree of freedom Ukraine has compared to North Korea or who on the outside supports or doesn't support it. If people want to improve the quality of their lives that's their choice.
It has nothing to do with EU IMO. Slovenia was always the most progressive republic of ex-Yugoslavia. Apparently even if you go back in time 3-4 decades ago, the difference is still there. Of course that their integration in EU has halped a lot, but anyway, the differences between ex-Yugoslav republics have always existed.I always noticed when I crossed the border between Croatia and Slovenia the massive difference between to two countries in terms of how "modern" and how much richer Slovenia felt than Croatia.
Obviously that could be down to other things than just one being in the EU and I don't know enough about either country to make that assumption. But nor do a lot of people and it's very easy to see lots of green grass in these EU countries.
Not sure what my point is really, just felt like saying it