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Not sure if energy stuff still goes here or in the geopolitics thread. German gas sources. Article (in German).

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What's the premise ? That German reliance on Russian gas is being sharply curtailed ?

The article talks about how German politicians have been going on "shopping tours" to find alternatives to Russian gas (more than 50 % before the invasion), and that so far it's mainly from Norway and the Netherlands. Norway is producing at capacity already, and while the Netherlands technically can increase production it probably can't do so politically. They say that in the short-medium term liquefied natural gas (LNG) is the way to go to shift away from Russian gas further.
 
while the Netherlands technically can increase production it probably can't do so politically.
Same issue in Germany actually... we likely would have enough natural gas ressources for decades, but only if we would use fracking, which is absolutely not wanted.
 
I don't think there can be a quick end unless Putin is overthrown. If NATO were to provide more destructive weapons, Putin, who will at all costs not want to be seen as on the cusp a humiliating loss, will be incentivized to use thermobaric weapons or WMDs. The NATO approach of slowly eroding Russia from within seems to be the most effective and least violent way to deal with this. Both NATO and the Ukrainians know this.
Imo these concerns are baseless as proven time and time again. On the same note:



Ukraine has the momentum now and US should recognize that this might be the best shot for Ukraine to drive Russia away. Ukraine economic doesn’t have the petrol dollars to keep the country running.
 
Imo these concerns are baseless as proven time and time again. On the same note:



Ukraine has the momentum now and US should recognize that this might be the best shot for Ukraine to drive Russia away. Ukraine economic doesn’t have the petrol dollars to keep the country running.


I look at the new mobilization as pure desperation. You would have to think he has already applied the very best troops he had at the beginning of war, at least 50k of which are now dead and at least another 50k wounded or in come other way incapacitated. Given past incompetence, the new troops are probably least competent of them all.
 
Not sure if energy stuff still goes here or in the geopolitics thread. German gas sources. Article (in German).

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Currently probably the use of gas must be at its lowest. Hopefully they can find providers to substitute all the gas that they will need in winter. Maybe even some of the current providers would need part of these exports for themselves then or at least it will be tensions for the pricing
 
I look at the new mobilization as pure desperation. You would have to think he has already applied the very best troops he had at the beginning of war, at least 50k of which are now dead and at least another 50k wounded or in come other way incapacitated. Given past incompetence, the new troops are probably least competent of them all.

Probably the best troops are the ones they have now. they have a 6 month experience war and that counts much more than training
 
Currently probably the use of gas must be at its lowest. Hopefully they can find providers to substitute all the gas that they will need in winter. Maybe even some of the current providers would need part of these exports for themselves then or at least it will be tensions for the pricing

The article also mentions a possible deal with Azerbaijan, but I don't know how big that would be.
 
Not sure if energy stuff still goes here or in the geopolitics thread. German gas sources. Article (in German).

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Currently probably the use of gas must be at its lowest. Hopefully they can find providers to substitute all the gas that they will need in winter. Maybe even some of the current providers would need part of these exports for themselves then or at least it will be tensions for the pricing
What do they mean by 'verbauchten' ('used') here? Does it only refer to direct use by households, industry, etc., or also what's bought for storage? Cause if I understand things correctly, gas companies don't necessarily buy in all that much more gas in winter, but acquire it throughout the year and put it in storage in summer during the low-demand period, to prepare for the high-demand winter.

If my understanding is correct, and if this graph is about where German gas companies are buying their gas - then it really is a very meaningful development.
 
Hard to believe the Russians are still rolling around in tanks after the drubbing they've gotten over the past 6 months

 
What do they mean by 'verbauchten' ('used') here? Does it only refer to direct use by households, industry, etc., or also what's bought for storage? Cause if I understand things correctly, gas companies don't necessarily buy in all that much more gas in winter, but acquire it throughout the year and put it in storage in summer during the low-demand period, to prepare for the high-demand winter.

If my understanding is correct, and if this graph is about where German gas companies are buying their gas - then it really is a very meaningful development.

My German consists of a combination of 1-2 decades old schooling and some pitiful Duolingo schenanigans, but my understanding is that it's current imports, yes. The article refers to this pdf document from the BMWK, but I haven't read it.
 
My German consists of a combination of 1-2 decades old schooling and some pitiful Duolingo schenanigans, but my understanding is that it's current imports, yes. The article refers to this pdf document from the BMWK, but I haven't read it.
Ha, I should just have read the article you referenced in your original post! (Those hyperlinks are in a colour that's not very visible to me.) It states clearly that this is about all German gas imports. This is its key bit:
Laut dem "Dritten Fortschrittsbericht Energiesicherheit" kamen Ende Juni noch 26 Prozent des von Deutschland importierten Erdgases aus Russland. Durch die mehrtägige Wartung von Nord Stream 1 und die neuerliche Gasdrosselung ist der Anteil inzwischen sogar auf unter zehn Prozent gefallen. Vor dem Ukraine-Krieg waren es noch mehr als 50 Prozent.
In short, pre-invasion, over 50% of German gas imports came from Russia. In June, that was down to 26%; and now it's at 9%.

That is meaningful, @4bars, as gas companies are busy filling their reservoirs. There was a lot of concern previously about companies being unable to reach the desired level before winter, but at least in the Netherlands, that's actually on track. So this is not really the off-season in terms of import; there's a great demand right now in preparation for winter.
 
That is meaningful, @4bars, as gas companies are busy filling their reservoirs. There was a lot of concern previously about companies being unable to reach the desired level before winter, but at least in the Netherlands, that's actually on track. So this is not really the off-season in terms of import; there's a great demand right now in preparation for winter.
German reservoirs are already filled to about 80%, which is indeed and surprisingly ahead of schedule, despite the reduction of imports from Russia.

So all these numbers actually look quite good.
 
Ha, I should just have read the article you referenced in your original post! (Those hyperlinks are in a colour that's not very visible to me.) It states clearly that this is about all German gas imports. This is its key bit:

In short, pre-invasion, over 50% of German gas imports came from Russia. In June, that was down to 26%; and now it's at 9%.

That is meaningful, @4bars, as gas companies are busy filling their reservoirs. There was a lot of concern previously about companies being unable to reach the desired level before winter, but at least in the Netherlands, that's actually on track. So this is not really the off-season in terms of import; there's a great demand right now in preparation for winter.

I'll remember to point out the links more in the future. I already do that when I link to pdf files or similar, so it's just a habit.
 
I'll remember to point out the links more in the future. I already do that when I link to pdf files or similar, so it's just a habit.
Thanks! Although in this case, it's really just that I went too fast; it's clear from your text that there's a link.
 
Ha, I should just have read the article you referenced in your original post! (Those hyperlinks are in a colour that's not very visible to me.) It states clearly that this is about all German gas imports. This is its key bit:

In short, pre-invasion, over 50% of German gas imports came from Russia. In June, that was down to 26%; and now it's at 9%.

That is meaningful, @4bars, as gas companies are busy filling their reservoirs. There was a lot of concern previously about companies being unable to reach the desired level before winter, but at least in the Netherlands, that's actually on track. So this is not really the off-season in terms of import; there's a great demand right now in preparation for winter.

That is very good news. Hopefully all europe and make the transition and stop the dependency. Wi come to an evident economic cost but is only fair for the ones that they are dying in ukraine
 
I look at the new mobilization as pure desperation. You would have to think he has already applied the very best troops he had at the beginning of war, at least 50k of which are now dead and at least another 50k wounded or in come other way incapacitated. Given past incompetence, the new troops are probably least competent of them all.

Also morale has to be low. Most soldiers should be thinking by now, "what the hell are we doing here?".
 
Probably the best troops are the ones they have now. they have a 6 month experience war and that counts much more than training

Maybe, but it might also mean that a lot of them are worn out and suffer from shellshock and what not. Russian troops have to operate under miserly conditions. No doubt that some of them are hardcore, but the ones who jumped ship can tell just what a clusterfeck it is.
 
Maybe, but it might also mean that a lot of them are worn out and suffer from shellshock and what not. Russian troops have to operate under miserly conditions. No doubt that some of them are hardcore, but the ones who jumped ship can tell just what a clusterfeck it is.

But you are talking more about moral and sequels, but no doubt that there are many that learnt more in 6 months than any soldier that didnt see action in their lifes.
 
But you are talking more about moral and sequels, but no doubt that there are many that learnt more in 6 months than any soldier that didnt see action in their lifes.
Either way we can be sure that fresh recruits aren't the best soldiers and will not strengthen the Russian army but just slow down their downfall.
 
But you are talking more about moral and sequels, but no doubt that there are many that learnt more in 6 months than any soldier that didnt see action in their lifes.

Yeah no doubt that the experience they have is handy.
 
Either way we can be sure that fresh recruits aren't the best soldiers and will not strengthen the Russian army but just slow down their downfall.

Debatable. They are certainly not the best. But if they do a good mix and in the proper positions, they will learn or die. Im sure putin prefers +100.000 recruits, some for cannon fodder, some that woud learn, thst have nothing
 
Debatable. They are certainly not the best. But if they do a good mix and in the proper positions, they will learn or die. Im sure putin prefers +100.000 recruits, some for cannon fodder, some that woud learn, thst have nothing
Sure, the problem is that Russia needs to drill them at the front as there are few good instructors left in Russia that aren't in the fight. Ukraine on the other hand can send their soldiers to western countries for training and therefore doesn't have this problem.
 
Also morale has to be low. Most soldiers should be thinking by now, "what the hell are we doing here?".

100% .

The CNN piece by I posted a page back interviewing the Russian soldier who escaped the war says a lot about Russian morale.

Soldiers sleep outside and are having to scavenge for food. No wonder the Russian war results are so dismal.
 
Probably the best troops are the ones they have now. they have a 6 month experience war and that counts much more than training
If the reports of KIA are anywhere close to real numbers, there are not so many left in Ukraine who were there in February.
 
Sure, the problem is that Russia needs to drill them at the front as there are few good instructors left in Russia that aren't in the fight. Ukraine on the other hand can send their soldiers to western countries for training and therefore doesn't have this problem.

But how do you know all that information with that degree of confidence?
 
If the reports of KIA are anywhere close to real numbers, there are not so many left in Ukraine who were there in February.

If someone showed us the last 6 months is that know one knows much about the numbers of casualties (man and machines) and even less on the remsining forces. Lots of propaganda and speculation and also mostly about KIA from russia but not from ukraine (smaller population) that sure someone put then there, but not a mediatic bombardment. And its normal, is a a media warfare also and only negative things from the enemy is being pushed as only negative things rom ukraine is pushed in russia media, even if they are even lies.

The truth is that we know little
 
If someone showed us the last 6 months is that know one knows much about the numbers of casualties (man and machines) and even less on the remsining forces. Lots of propaganda and speculation and also mostly about KIA from russia but not from ukraine (smaller population) that sure someone put then there, but not a mediatic bombardment. And its normal, is a a media warfare also and only negative things from the enemy is being pushed as only negative things rom ukraine is pushed in russia media, even if they are even lies.

The truth is that we know little

Not sure I agree. I think various groups of people know a lot, and the rest are feeding off their scraps. It's more a case of finding those who know the truth AND tell the truth, rather than assume everyone is guessing. I do accept that first hurdle (finding the truthful ITKers) is perhaps impossible.
 
Which civilians? It's a ghost town.
Like any other obliterated frontline village/town by Russian artillery, the contested places are being level to the ground by Russian fascist forces but Amnesty thinks Ukrainian positions are what’s endangering civilians.