That's not what the report you're referring to said at all, what's the point in making stuff up weeks after the fact?
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That's not what the report you're referring to said at all, what's the point in making stuff up weeks after the fact?
What did report say? I’m just exposing Amnesty for being paid Russian shills.
Unfortunately, a lot of people think they’re being clever when they try to look for two sides in this story.
You know what it said, because people in here spent pages upon pages whining about it. It was about some instances, fighting out of places like populated shools and hospitals, not general defenses of cities and towns. For instance, they found no evidence of Ukrainian soldiers endangering civilians during the defense of Kharkiv, so why would they find evidence in a ghost town like Pisky? You're just making stuff up.
You realize Amnesty have heavily criticized and reported on the Russians, right?
While there's something to be said about how Amnesty approached the release of that one particular report, they are not "paid Russian shills".
Russia is using artillery WW2 style, the level of destruction is simply tragic.
Yeah, sure.
Believe me…I have been living in a county under a strong influence of Russian propaganda from all sorts for a very long time…I can tell one when I see one. Unsurprisingly, people living near Russia always end up being the most accurate about Russian tactics and motives.
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Glorious nation of Kazakhstan!
But seriously, it's interesting that Kazakhstan feels comfortable doing this. I guess they know Russia doesn't have the forces to attack it anytime soon?
That is quite fast for Kazakhstan to switch sides... remember just weeks before the war started there was public unrest and Russian troops where needed to keep the president in his office.
Between 900k and 1.6M if the sources are correct (is difficult that they are, based on past informations about this war)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.po...ps-forced-deportations-of-ukrainians-00045581
Shoigu sidelined and Putin has taken the charge himself, the history didn’t teach them anything.
Considering they call an all-out war a "special operation", what does a Minister for Emergency Situations do?
Shoigu getting side-lined, eh? What happened to Gerasimov?
Make better use of the army when they face natural disasters at home. Right now, that's about the better way to use their army and regain lost popularity points.
Actually in charge of catering.
Seems that the war has turned into an almost total stalemate, with very little movement from either side? Just old fashioned untargeted artillery from the Russians and a few headline Ukrainian moves workout too much immediate impact in terms of the front line?
How do they consistently nullify the artillery disadvantage without an airforce to speak of?
How do they consistently nullify the artillery disadvantage without an airforce to speak of?
Finally looked up what the hell this #NAFO thing is all about. Turns out memes are an effective way of tackling Russian propaganda, in an online world that alternatively really struggles with it.
This article explains it well.
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news...-is-helping-fight-the-russian-war-in-ukraine/
Or here's the shorter explanation...
This article explains it well.
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news...-is-helping-fight-the-russian-war-in-ukraine/
Or here's the shorter explanation...
I guess we are about to find out in the next month whether Ukraine had what it takes to really push back the Russians. It feels like it is now or never.
How do you see the onset of winter affecting each sides' ability to conduct the war?
Shit's going down in Kherson. <3
I’m not any sort of expert, so not sure how much my opinion is worth, but if Ukraine is now briefing about this advance then they will pouring significant resource and effort into this push. You can’t do that very often and fail before morale is sapped and resources are depleted.
I’d imagine in a harsh winter the advantage goes to the sides that truly believes in what they are fighting for, but if the ground gets wet and boggy then advancing becomes more difficult.
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I listened to a very interesting lecture from Italian historian Alessandro Barbero about how the world descended to WW2 from a political perspective. Its staggering how similar the situation was to what we have now.
A-You have a country who had just lost land (Germany-WW1 and Russia-Soviet union) and whose quite nationalist driven
B- You have a complacent Western Europe who is in no mood for war and who needs this rogue nation (ie Nazi Germany/Russia) as a bulwark against communism/because it needs its natural resources
C- Similarly to Hitler, Putin is persuading minorities within foreign countries to cause unrest. Any reaction against them is then used as a casus belli to invade and assimilate those countries.
D- similarly to the Nazi army at the beginning of the war, the Russian army is overrated.
E- Putin has an 'italy' in Belarus aka an ally bound by ideology who is being dragged into a war it simply isn't keen or prepared war
A-You have a country who had just lost land (Germany-WW1 and Russia-Soviet union) and whose quite nationalist driven
B- You have a complacent Western Europe who is in no mood for war and who needs this rogue nation (ie Nazi Germany/Russia) as a bulwark against communism/because it needs its natural resources
C- Similarly to Hitler, Putin is persuading minorities within foreign countries to cause unrest. Any reaction against them is then used as a casus belli to invade and assimilate those countries.
D- similarly to the Nazi army at the beginning of the war, the Russian army is overrated.
E- Putin has an 'italy' in Belarus aka an ally bound by ideology who is being dragged into a war it simply isn't keen or prepared war
A very big omission is that the US is armed to the teeth compared to 1939 when it was largely isolationist and had a token land army (navy was different matter). Also , I don't think the Wermacht was in any point that incompetent compared to what the Russians have demonstrated.
Similarly to WW2 no one is in the mood to be dragged into war. Also the Wermacht was at a different beast at the beginning of the war
No matter what kind of beast it was, they championed the maneuvering warfare tactics which Russians 80 years later couldnt perform. Its night and day really.
But dissimilar to WW2, NATO countries (especially the US) have been providing a lot of weapons to Ukraine so it can defend itself - which it is (fairly) successfully doing. As it stands, Russia is not managing to conquer Ukraine, is therefore unlikely to attack anywhere else, and would be even less likely to do so successfully (since almost everywhere else to its west are NATO countries).
Your comparison is just really far-fetched.
So after the entire discussion had previously, which showed up your point for extremely short-sighted (for starters, Amnesty has criticized Russia many times already; why would shills do that?), you are just going to repeat it verbatim as if nothing happened?
It's certainly the case that Russia will not be wanting to feed and heat an army in a foreign country over a bitterly cold long winter, and with supply lines being constantly hit. I'd think for example, that in the planning for this war there was little to no thought about what would happen beyond the end of winter 2021/2022. It helps the Ukrainians that they have no real choice, and are in a largely friendly environment. I think what WILL help Russia is the inevitable pause /reduction in hostilities so they can recalibrate for a potentially longer war.
Calling Amnesty "paid Russian shills" is just beyond the pale. Unbelievable.