Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

unchanged_lineup said:
Is the idea that they'll waste ammunition shooting at it?
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If i understood well what @the hea said that can mimic any aircraft it might be used also for fake aircraft sorties pulling russian aircraft out to intercept creating a diversion? And then maybe destroy them with a prepared AA?
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Is the idea that they'll waste ammunition shooting at it?
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There are multiple uses for decoys like this and forcing the enemy to use expensive ammunition on it like you mention is one of those purposes. Another way it can be used and what might be the case here is to take the focus of the enemy AA operators away from the actual real threat. Since it can mimic the radar echo of a wide range of aircrafts it will show up as a big threat to the air defense operators which forces them to focus their attention on it while a low flying, low observable cruise missile for example would have an easier time sneeking in from another direction.

Another use is that it forces the enemy to give away the location of their air defense radars which can then be engaged. It's predecessor the AGM-141 was used for this purpose at the start of the Persian Gulf War, coalition forces fired hundreds of decoys ahead of their aircrafts into Iraqi airspace which forced the Iraqis to turn on their AA radars which where then be engaged by anti radiation missiles fired by the coalition airforces. This proved to be a very succesful tactic back then and took out a large part of the Iraqi air defenses.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
Great to see that kind of support from Germany.
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Giving the Defence Minister job to Pistorius was probably the best thing Scholz ever did. Luckily Pistorius doesn't care about Scholz' more cautious rhetoric and just gets on with it (as well as with the changes of the Bundeswehr administration structure, which are overdue for decades)
 
stefan92 said:
Giving the Defence Minister job to Pistorius was probably the best thing Scholz ever did. Luckily Pistorius doesn't care about Scholz' more cautious rhetoric and just gets on with it (as well as with the changes of the Bundeswehr administration structure, which are overdue for decades)
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Does Pistorius has this kind of power though to go over Scholz? and anyway he appointed Pistorius

Amazing change or rumb from Germany. better late than never
 
4bars said:
Does Pistorius has this kind of power though to go over Scholz? and anyway he appointed Pistorius

Amazing change or rumb from Germany. better late than never
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Formally Scholz has the last word, after all he is the chancellor. But Pistorius is openly having different points of view and dares to have independent thoughts, and he is trying to get things done. We didn't saw any of this from Lambrecht.

Fine details like Scholz saying "Russia must not win" and Pistorius saying "Russia must lose and a world without Putin would be better place"

And about getting things done, a few weeks ago he for example issued an order of three pages that effectively overrules thousands of pages of regulations inside his own administration, as well as laying of loads of leading staff. No minister of defence dared to do that probably ever, definitely not in the last decades.

There is a reason why Pistorius is currently the most popular politician in Germany and some media already have fun speculating if he might be interested in becoming chancellor himself (and more importantly if he might be able to take that from Scholz)
 
Rajma said:
Germany woken up and with the bang:
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The IRIS-T SLS launchers are an intersting point. They will obviously be distributed over the existing and to be delivered IRIS-T SLM batteries as they have to be connected to some kind of control system.

They won't add new capabilities as they are a shorter range system, but what makes them extremely valuable is the fact that the fire the standard IRIS-T missile, which is the default armament for the Eurofighter. There will be loads of these available and they will be used whenever possible, because the larger SLM version is only produced for Ukraine and there is no stock available because all production directly goes there.

Numbers matter, and this will greatly increase the numbers of aircraft and cruise missiles Ukraine can intercept in the long run, Russia will have it mich harder than they already have to just overload Ukrainian air defense.
 
VorZakone said:
Isn't there a punishment on using the word "war"?

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Depends on who uses it. They've been talking about "the war" for quite a while now, trying to distinguish the "special military operation" that was started by Russia and the "war" that was started by NATO against Russia after the invasion (or maybe even before)... damn it's even hard to describe it coherently, how in the world do people believe in this nonsense.
 
Russia doing Russian things, looks like a chopper & a jet shot down at the same time.

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So that one cruise missile frightened them so much, that they've started shooting everything in the sky now?

edit: seems so
 
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Ragnar123 said:
So that one cruise missile frightened them so much, that they've started shooting everything in the sky now?

edit: seems so
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Can't be fun being a Russian civilian pilot these days. You might get randomly mobilised or your own air defence can shoot you down if someone can't read a radar screen.
 
Ragnar123 said:
So that one cruise missile frightened them so much, that they've started shooting everything in the sky now?

edit: seems so
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I can understand if a fighter jet is mistaken for a cruise missile but a helicopter? A helicopter is traveling at much lower speeds compared to a missile or fighter jet that it should not be possible.
 
the hea said:
I can understand if a fighter jet is mistaken for a cruise missile but a helicopter? A helicopter is traveling at much lower speeds compared to a missile or fighter jet that it should not be possible.
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Russian sources claim a different scenario. Not friendly fire like speculated here, but they claim or fear that Ukraine got AIM-120 long range air to air missiles, and they speculate that possibly the Polish MiG-29 were modified to carry them.

And actually I think that is a quite reasonable scenario, it would explain the timing (Ukraine just got those MiGs) and the range quite well.

If true that gives Ukraine at least a limited ability to control the airspace that they so far didn't have.
 
stefan92 said:
Russian sources claim a different scenario. Not friendly fire like speculated here, but they claim or fear that Ukraine got AIM-120 long range air to air missiles, and they speculate that possibly the Polish MiG-29 were modified to carry them.

And actually I think that is a quite reasonable scenario, it would explain the timing (Ukraine just got those MiGs) and the range quite well.

If true that gives Ukraine at least a limited ability to control the airspace that they so far didn't have.
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I guess that might be possible but it would probably mean retrofitting the Migs with a new western radar because I doubt it's even possible to get the AMRAAMs to comunicate with the soviet radar in the Migs.
 
The Firestarter said:
This is kinda big, isn't that directly going against Putin?
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As far as I know, his rants were never aimed at Putin. Always at the MOD (Shoigu and Gerasimov). I think Putin is the only one Prigozhin truly fears, because even his alleged FSB contacts won't be able to save him from Putin.
But it's one thing insulting the MOD, calling it a stupid war and hinting a rebellion could be very dangerous for him, provided it's not just another show.

edit: considerable achievements if you take in consideration that the real counteroffensive hasn't even started yet.
 
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VorZakone said:
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What a joyful fella. I hope he is a unique one with these ideas in Russia, but i doubt it unfortunately.

This war has gotten so out of hand for Russia. Do they really know what the point of this war is anymore now they couldn't walk in the door and be welcomed with open arms to make Ukraine their puppet state?
Too much pride to back down now i guess.
 
We need an rvn said:
Is that good or bad for Ukraine ( ie a Russian depot in occupied Ukraine or a Ukrainian depot with gifted munitions?)

if the latter that is a fecking kick in the teeth and millions of £$€ of munitions for tanks etc gifted
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According to preliminary info on Twitter, it appears to be a Russian strike on a Ukrainian depot.
 
Raoul said:
According to preliminary info on Twitter, it appears to be a Russian strike on a Ukrainian depot.
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That’s the stuff if it were a hit by Ukraine on Russia would be all over the news but not something they want the west to know the millions donated just got blown to shite.
Looks like a massive hit by russia unfortunately
 
We need an rvn said:
Is that good or bad for Ukraine ( ie a Russian depot in occupied Ukraine or a Ukrainian depot with gifted munitions?)

if the latter that is a fecking kick in the teeth and millions of £$€ of munitions for tanks etc gifted
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I think its on the Ukraine controlled part, but you can't know what exactly was in it.
 
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