They were allowed to attend the funeral AFTER testing positive. They tested positive before they started the drive. They’d already been in isolation.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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They were allowed to attend the funeral AFTER testing positive. They tested positive before they started the drive. They’d already been in isolation.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ses-after-women-arrive-from-uk-carrying-virus
"The pair were released early from government quarantine and permitted to drive from the city of Auckland to Wellington, the capital – nearly 650km away – before being diagnosed or even tested, health officials said."
Thats not how I understand it but I might have it wrong
Thanks! When the death count got ugly? Or when posters didn't approve?
Seeing the recent large gatherings of people at protests,raves and beaches it give me a fair bit of confidence going forward that we won't see a second wave as long as the elderly and vulnerable continue to isolate. It is obviously frustrating for them but they will be at risk until there is some kind of vaccine.
What part of seeing the recent large gatherings has given you confidence that there will not be a second wave? It has made me feel the complete opposite.
So should we have seen the impact from all those large beach gatherings in the numbers by now, if they were going to have a big impact, or is testing such a mess its hard to tell?
Speaking from a stateside perspective we are already seeing a ‘second wave’, though that term isn’t really accurate for most places yet. The trend is with places that opened up their economies early, as it was starting before any numbers from protests could’ve substantially kicked in.
I though they were allowed to leave quarantine early on the understanding they grieved with relatives but didn't attend the funeral.
Just seen this quote on the Beijing outbreak in the Guardian.
I wonder why he’s saying this?
I wonder why he’s saying this?
Yes but they hadnt been tested at all when they left. UnrelatedPesudo was saying that they had.
So literally one week into nursery my one year old’s spiking fevers and the wife also generally unwell with loss of smell. Home testing kit it is then. Im asymptomatic.
Managers annoyed as they offered drive in but i accepted a home kit testing which will take 48 hours. Didn't really get my point of high likelihood of a false negative in getting a throat and nasa swab from a poorly one year old in a car seat.
Managers annoyed as they offered drive in but i accepted a home kit testing which will take 48 hours. Didn't really get my point of high likelihood of a false negative in getting a throat and nasa swab from a poorly one year old in a car seat.
Well done Rashers!
Ah. Gotcha. No they hadn't. Whole scheme has now been suspended.
Odds are it is just some PR spin even if I can't think why they would want to.
Fecking hell. The loss of smell seems to be almost pathognomonic, so chances are high for a positive test for your wife, right?. Be crazy if you swerved the virus while working, only to get taken down by your kid attending nursery. Hope everyone is feeling better soon.
Covering his own back in case he does a shitty job of controlling the spread.
Seems to be significant breaking news on a steroid called dexamethasone proven to reduce Covid deaths.
In a trial it reduced deaths by a third in ventilated patients and its claimed if it was used from start of the pandemic it could have saved approx 5,000 lives in UK.
In a trial it reduced deaths by a third in ventilated patients and its claimed if it was used from start of the pandemic it could have saved approx 5,000 lives in UK.
Significant step forward that news
Oh please let that be true.
That can't go on forever though. A lot of vulnerable have jobs to return back to, and no employer is going to keep that job for the length of time we'd be talking about here. Especially when the numbers keep dropping.
I'm still holding out hope the shielding ends on the proposed date of end of June, despite knowing its 99% not going to happen.
It's the one thing through all of this that I actually can't believe, (obviously due to affecting myself personally) We're two weeks away from when shielding is pencilled in to end and there has been no confirmation or clarification on if that is going to be the case.
Steroid successful in treating sickest patients, prevents 1:8 deaths.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...revent-deaths-of-sickest-coronavirus-patients
edit: what @Cutch said
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...revent-deaths-of-sickest-coronavirus-patients
edit: what @Cutch said
Thanks man. Yes it is but we'll see. I'm hopeful its hayfever which she gets often but was also a bit viral-ly without full blown cough and temp for a few days so just hopeful its non-covid olfactory symptoms. She's less then full time so spends more time with our kid.
So was looking at some stats last night for ireland, kids up to the age of 16 account for nearly 10% of the infections. So much for it being an old persons virus
I’m surprised this is being talked up as massive breakthrough. I would imagine most of the sickest patients have been getting treated with steroids anyway. It tends to be used to treat all illnesses that have immune mediated inflammatory aspects. Although I guess it’s good to have solid data that it helps.
Could be wrong though. Would be interested to hear opinions from people actually experienced in treating covid patients.
My work was almost forcing me to send my son to nursery (he’s one). I refused and after reading this, even more glad I did
They look exactly how I expected them to look.
Its been used in ITU at the hospital where I'm working as part of the Recovery trial but haven't been using it on our patient cohort so can't comment but more information here
https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/recovery_dexamethasone_statement_160620_final.pdf
Hmm I'm not sure that the NNT's of 8 and 25 as being significant breakthroughs but somebody else might think different. Also of no use in those who aren't really unwell.
I feel you but I mean my one case (which hasn't been proven yet via swabs) might be anecdotal and not reflective of wider science/evidence-base. But don't begrudge you that decision at all.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...revent-deaths-of-sickest-coronavirus-patients
I'll trust his judgement!
Agreed as inflamation is very common. So you would assume steroids have been widely used. Although I think I remember reading something early on that said steroids didn't help SARS but could reduce the immune response.
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I remember very early on the noises coming out of Italy/China were that steroids didn’t help. Which was a surprise. So if this means a change to best practice that’s great. Still talking about marginal gains, for the sickest patients. Irrelevant to the vast majority of people who get sick (thankfully)
Oral systemic steroids werent/aren’t widely used in covid. Rationale being from SARS systematic reviews studied 29 studies, mostly low quality (25 said no benefit, 4 suggested harm). Even though steroids have clear benefit in sepsis, its use has been not universal as far as I know
Big part of that was WHO guidance which said to avoid systemic steroids in covid, wonder if that’ll change
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/clinical-management-of-novel-cov.pdf
Big part of that was WHO guidance which said to avoid systemic steroids in covid, wonder if that’ll change
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/clinical-management-of-novel-cov.pdf
Looks like it might.
As an aside, everyone’s been shitting on the UK for their response but some elements have been really impressive. They’ve had a bunch of “hibernated” trials set up and ready to roll, as soon as a pandemic hit. Which not many (any?) EU countries had in place.
I wonder if this study was one of those? This approach (plus the large number of potential subjects!) means the UK will probably be producing the best/highest quality data over the next few months. Hopefully this is just the start.
You're right
Just end of May, the Lancet published this
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30749-2/fulltext
Has caused a bit of controversy because joint injections for arthritis have stopped but a lot of reassurance was needed to be given to asthmatics, rheum patients and the Addisonians to continue taking their steroids because they got concerned it would mean they wouldn't do well with immunosuppresion but we told them to shield. And had to highlighted the benefits of continue, a few cases of adrenal crisis came into ED I remember from those abruptly stopping their prednisolone
Also. Only just read the full press release. Benefits also in people on oxygen but not ventilated. That’s great. Means a much larger pool of patients that will benefit.
Indeed.
I think methylpred and dexamethasone specifically have always been known to specifically reduce mucous production. Severe bronchorrhea is a massive problem in the weaning process of intubated covid patients, even those who have no pre-existing respiratory condition. For same reason some of the intensivist friends I have in New York swear by Indomethacin.
Anyone can carry it. Its an old persons virus in terms of the mortality rate the older / fatter you get