Im a white person who thinks that the west does have oppressive tendencies, I dont hate myself or my race.
Sometimes people are brave enough to say things as they are, look up George Galloway, the man is hated in this country for speaking the truth.
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Im a white person who thinks that the west does have oppressive tendencies, I dont hate myself or my race.
Sometimes people are brave enough to say things as they are, look up George Galloway, the man is hated in this country for speaking the truth.
The problem is Fisk is talking much but saying nothing. His cynical, all-knowing reporting on Kosovo 1999 was so rubbish that it hardly deserved to be called journalism.
I'd understand that because you're clearly alligned to the Israeli side one way or another, any opinion or article that clashes with yours will automatically be dubbed, nonsense, biased or unreliable. We are humans after all.
I'm trying to stay as objective as possible. The thing is I can understand the Israel/Hamas conflict because of its parallels to the Serbia/KLA conflict 10 years ago.
No, I think that he is hated for many other reasons.
I'm white and know the same thing about the West. I also know that the same is true of the East, the South, the North, the Northwest, the Southeast, and the North-by-Northwest. But you'd never know it from reading Fisk's columns, from which you'd also think that every person or group of people ever to have been wronged by whitey is excused from whatever nasty things they might do. And this includes a mob of 100 people stoning and beating Mr. Fisk, then 55 years old, 7 years ago in Afghanistan. He was lucky to survive. His crime? Car had broken down, and when he got out to push it, they saw his pasty white face. Said Fisk, "They had every reason to be angry - I've been an outspoken critic of the US actions myself. If I had been them, I would have attacked me."
Rubbish. the UK is far from being an Israeli ally. If anything, together with Spain the UK is the most biased European country in favour of the Arabs in the ME conflict.
Of course it did- other than the section involving recognition in a Jewish state exisiting peacefully next to the Palestinian stste.
Why is it that you always try to convince others that Hamas accepts a 2-state solution, when every Hamas official says publicly the exact opposite.
By the way, the latest development:
Rocket barrage hits northern Israel
At least three Katyusha rockets fired from southern Lebanon land in Western Galilee region Thursday morning, near town of Nahariya; two people reported wounded in attack. School day cancelled in town
Ynet reporters Published: 01.08.09, 07:50 / Israel News
A Katyusha barrage was fired Thursday at the Nahariya area in the Western Galilee. Police reported that two people were lightly wounded and evacuated to the local hospital. Several residents were treated for shock.
Police sappers received reports of three rocket hits, one in town and two others in open fields nearby.
The Magen David Adom emergency services raised their alert level to the maximum following the attack.
The police also ordered residents to remain close to fortified areas and school day in the city has been cancelled.
UN peacekeepers and Lebanese troops have stepped up patrols along the border with Israel about two weeks ago after rockets were discovered aimed at Israel and ready to fire.
The UN Interim Force in Lebanon and the Lebanese army "have deployed additional troops and intensified patrols and security control of the area," said UNIFIL spokeswoman Yasmina Bouziane.
UNIFIL commander Major General Claudio Graziano of Italy, is in contact with senior Lebanese and Israeli military officials, Bouziane added.
The patrols were boosted after security forces found eight Katyusha rockets in the coastal region between Naqura and Tair Harfa.
The rockets were "aimed at Palestine (Israel) and connected to a timer," an officer said, adding that an investigation was under way and that the rockets had been dismantled.
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I'm off to work. Fortunately I have a bomb shelter next to my office. It looks that Israel may have opened another front by opressing some other bunch of blokes into firing Grad missiles at Israeli civilians.
Rocket barrage hits northern Israel
At least three Katyusha rockets fired from southern Lebanon land in Western Galilee region Thursday morning, near town of Nahariya; two people reported wounded in attack. School day cancelled in town
Ynet reporters Published: 01.08.09, 07:50 / Israel News
A Katyusha barrage was fired Thursday at the Nahariya area in the Western Galilee. Police reported that two people were lightly wounded and evacuated to the local hospital. Several residents were treated for shock.
Police sappers received reports of three rocket hits, one in town and two others in open fields nearby.
The Magen David Adom emergency services raised their alert level to the maximum following the attack.
The police also ordered residents to remain close to fortified areas and school day in the city has been cancelled.
UN peacekeepers and Lebanese troops have stepped up patrols along the border with Israel about two weeks ago after rockets were discovered aimed at Israel and ready to fire.
The UN Interim Force in Lebanon and the Lebanese army "have deployed additional troops and intensified patrols and security control of the area," said UNIFIL spokeswoman Yasmina Bouziane.
UNIFIL commander Major General Claudio Graziano of Italy, is in contact with senior Lebanese and Israeli military officials, Bouziane added.
The patrols were boosted after security forces found eight Katyusha rockets in the coastal region between Naqura and Tair Harfa.
The rockets were "aimed at Palestine (Israel) and connected to a timer," an officer said, adding that an investigation was under way and that the rockets had been dismantled.
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I'm off to work. Fortunately I have a bomb shelter next to my office. It looks that Israel may have opened another front by opressing some other bunch of blokes into firing Grad missiles at Israeli civilians.
Who writes your material? Thats hilarious.
Didnt these Arabs bomb London and Madrid? Sheesh Id hate to be there if they were anti Arab?
I am pretty sure the rockets were being fired even when the crossings were open, so not sure the link to the blockade is as clear cut as people say.
I've read most of his articles in the past two years (as most of them were on Lebanon, Hizbollah etc...) and have always found the content to be spot on.
Be safe.
To each his own.
Who writes your material? Thats hilarious.
Didn't these Arabs bomb Baghdad, Beirut, Riad, Amman, Algiers, Rabbat and Dammascus among other Arab capitals? We must be pretty popular among the Arab league members too then...
My wife's at home, one kid with his grandma and the other is with the other grandparents elsewhere...It would take more than one rocket to wipe out the entire family.
By the way, the latest development:
Rocket barrage hits northern Israel
At least three Katyusha rockets fired from southern Lebanon land in Western Galilee region Thursday morning, near town of Nahariya; two people reported wounded in attack. School day cancelled in town
Ynet reporters Published: 01.08.09, 07:50 / Israel News
A Katyusha barrage was fired Thursday at the Nahariya area in the Western Galilee. Police reported that two people were lightly wounded and evacuated to the local hospital. Several residents were treated for shock.
Police sappers received reports of three rocket hits, one in town and two others in open fields nearby.
The Magen David Adom emergency services raised their alert level to the maximum following the attack.
The police also ordered residents to remain close to fortified areas and school day in the city has been cancelled.
UN peacekeepers and Lebanese troops have stepped up patrols along the border with Israel about two weeks ago after rockets were discovered aimed at Israel and ready to fire.
The UN Interim Force in Lebanon and the Lebanese army "have deployed additional troops and intensified patrols and security control of the area," said UNIFIL spokeswoman Yasmina Bouziane.
UNIFIL commander Major General Claudio Graziano of Italy, is in contact with senior Lebanese and Israeli military officials, Bouziane added.
The patrols were boosted after security forces found eight Katyusha rockets in the coastal region between Naqura and Tair Harfa.
The rockets were "aimed at Palestine (Israel) and connected to a timer," an officer said, adding that an investigation was under way and that the rockets had been dismantled.
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I'm off to work. Fortunately I have a bomb shelter next to my office. It looks that Israel may have opened another front by opressing some other bunch of blokes into firing Grad missiles at Israeli civilians.
They're trying to precipitate something maybe? Provoke Israel into breaking off its total focus on Gaza and destabilise the general situation as it stands.
Although if that is their intent Hezbollah would surely need to do something more significant than this, not that i am belittling the danger of the Katyushas that were fired but you know what i mean.
A gesture os solidarity with Hamas then?
The London bombers weren't Arab though. I think holyland is talking in terms of governmental criticisn, press positions and public perception.
Probably. Starting a second battle at the north would hardly be a good thing for Hezbullah and it's clearly not something we want either. So yeah, they make their little gesture, we make our little retaliation, and that's it. I'd be surprised if there will be anymore to this.
In tactical terms this could well be the case, unfortunately.
However, I see this apparently "small scale attack" as a major development because:
1. Kadima has portrayed 1701 as a major achievement of the 2006 war. Olmert has been bragging about a quiet Northern front for quite a while, and Livni is still marketing 1701 as a victory of Israel's foreign policy under her tenure. She might look silly playing this card ahead of the coming general elections, and that's when she has little if any other achievments to brag about.
2. Again relating 1701 with the Gaza situation, 1701 was supposed to impose a more strict supervision in the North with a European force replacing Bangladeshi and Nepalese troops in S. Lebanon. In light of the shooting from Lebanon, I think it will be harder trying to market in Israel a deal in Gaza involving UN "peacekeepers". I certainly wouldn't accept any deal based on those clowns responsible for the safety of Israeli civilians.
Unless you send loads more of them to the region. How many of them are there at the moment anyway? 500? 1000? They can hardly monitor the whole of South Lebanon. Would Israel negotiating the deployment of more UNFILs be an option?
There are several thousands of them in Southern Lebanon, but I think their impotence has more to do with their will to carry out their mission than the number of soldiers on the ground.
Originally they were very gung-ho about the mission, but things have turned to the worse a bit when 6 Spanish soldiers were "misteriously" blown up in their patrol vehicle. No organization took responsibility for the attack, mind you.
Completely off-topic, but I have to ask: Did you agree with his reaction to being beaten by the Afghan mob? Just curious.
ANALYSIS / Rocket fire on North may be realization of Iran threat
By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent
Tags: iran, israel news, gaza
Several days before Israel launched Operation Cast Lead in the Gaza Strip, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki called several of his European counterparts and warned that Israel would face additional fronts if it attacked.
The rocket fire on Thursday morning from Lebanon into northern Israel can be seen as the realization of the Iranian threat.
It is safe to assume that Palestinian operatives, working in coordination with Hezbollah and sponsored by Iran, are responsible for the rocket attacks in Nahariya and elsewhere in the north.
The rocket fire also places Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah among the list of top Arab militant leaders. He doesn't just talk, he acts.
For now, Hezbollah is too sophisticated to claim responsibility for Thursday's rocket fire. Elections in Lebanon are scheduled to take place in about six months, and Hezbollah does not want to be perceived as the party that once again disrupted the relative calm the country has experienced. The group does not want to risk its standing at the polls.
However, Nasrallah's rhetoric from recent days says it all: "We are prepared for all Israeli aggression," he said. In other words, Hezbollah won't take responsibility for the rockets into Israel, but will claim credit for standing up against any Israeli retaliatory attacks, should there be any.
Nasrallah has already hinted that sources linked to Israel were responsible for the placement of rocket launchers discovered in Lebanon two weeks ago, not far from where rockets were fired from Thursday.
He also said that his operatives in south Lebanon are prepared to confront Israel and that any future war will make the Second Lebanon War look like a 'walk in the park.'
Israel must now decide what the price tag will be for Thursday's attacks on the north, knowing that a harsh response is likely to bring with it an escalation on the northern front and increasing international criticism.
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How ironic when retaliation to being attacked by a unprovoked neighbouring country would bring "increasing international criticism", don't you think?
By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent
Tags: iran, israel news, gaza
Several days before Israel launched Operation Cast Lead in the Gaza Strip, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki called several of his European counterparts and warned that Israel would face additional fronts if it attacked.
The rocket fire on Thursday morning from Lebanon into northern Israel can be seen as the realization of the Iranian threat.
It is safe to assume that Palestinian operatives, working in coordination with Hezbollah and sponsored by Iran, are responsible for the rocket attacks in Nahariya and elsewhere in the north.
The rocket fire also places Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah among the list of top Arab militant leaders. He doesn't just talk, he acts.
For now, Hezbollah is too sophisticated to claim responsibility for Thursday's rocket fire. Elections in Lebanon are scheduled to take place in about six months, and Hezbollah does not want to be perceived as the party that once again disrupted the relative calm the country has experienced. The group does not want to risk its standing at the polls.
However, Nasrallah's rhetoric from recent days says it all: "We are prepared for all Israeli aggression," he said. In other words, Hezbollah won't take responsibility for the rockets into Israel, but will claim credit for standing up against any Israeli retaliatory attacks, should there be any.
Nasrallah has already hinted that sources linked to Israel were responsible for the placement of rocket launchers discovered in Lebanon two weeks ago, not far from where rockets were fired from Thursday.
He also said that his operatives in south Lebanon are prepared to confront Israel and that any future war will make the Second Lebanon War look like a 'walk in the park.'
Israel must now decide what the price tag will be for Thursday's attacks on the north, knowing that a harsh response is likely to bring with it an escalation on the northern front and increasing international criticism.
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How ironic when retaliation to being attacked by a unprovoked neighbouring country would bring "increasing international criticism", don't you think?
You know why.
Of course I do...The poor Lebanese are starved and opressed, and there's a wall built around them preventing them from developing their economy and educational system...oh, wait...
(Don't mention THAT war)
Der Spiegel says there are 12000 UN troops on patrol in South Lebanon. They discovered those 8 rockets set on timer to fire late in the evening of December 25th. That would be two days before the Cast Lead operation which shows that the rockets fired on Israel today are not the response to Israels recent attack on Hamas.
Is the IDF using the same corridor to cut off Gaza City like before 2005?
That figure sounds familiar.
As for those missiles found in December, there might be more to it than meets the eye. Obviously, nothing is done in Southern Lebanon without the consent of Hizballah, even if unheard groups "take responsibility". If the UN clowns found those rockets in December it means that Hizballah wanted them to find the rockets. It might have been an attempt (which didn't work as we know) to warn Israel off going into Gaza.
The Lebanese could fire at Israel from areas neither UNIFIL or the Lebanese army are not allowed in, and thus that incident is hardly an example for UNIFIL and Lebanese Army excerting their authority.
Is the IDF using the same corridor to cut off Gaza City like before 2005?
I don't know where our troops are parked. Thankfully, unlike the 2006 war the IDF and Israeli news channels aren't giving away our positions live on TV...
Arabs wernt involved in the 7/7 bombings, infact theyre barely involved in European terrorist attacks. But I agree, Holyland thats a rediculous statement considering you dont live in the UK. You just have to open up a newspaper here to see the overwhelming support for Israel.
1. Arabs were involved in numerous terrorist attacks in Europe.
2. I don't have to be in the UK in order to have an opinion on how Israel is portrayed in The Independent, The Guardian/Observer, and unfortunately on the BBC.
You seem to have a very strong opinion on Israel, and let me have a wild guess... that's without ever living here.
I could be wrong, but I believe those are probably the two papers most likely to be sympathetic to the Palestinians.
This is that interview that BBC Fivelive did with the medical student in Beersheba, thought i'd put it out there for others to listen to. >>
He's right. But he missed out the French.
Obviously you need to read other countries' newspapers to figure this out though.
The French used to be more biased than they are these days (from Israeli perspective, obviously). Perhaps the riots in the Paris suburbs turned the public opinion there a bit towards the anti-Muslim direction, which may have helped Sarkozy get elected.
Mind you, the French press is still largely anti-Israeli.
They are. To the extent Der Stuermer wasn't very sympathetic to the Jewish cause in the 1930's.
Public perception certainly (though that "Perception" is based on the FACT that they see). I think its rather obvious that Government platitudes (we appeal to both sides....") are out of step with public opinion on this issue.
Recall Margaret Becketts (Foreign Secretary) being obviously embarrassed at her Governments position on a Lebanon ceasefire a few years back.
I think its a great pity that the British Government has allowed a vaccuum to form between its attitudes and public attitudes. More so because it has allowed a latent form of anti semitism to raise its ugly head. I noted a reference in another Message Board today to ethnicity of British Government ministers. Personnally I think its not relevant but the perception based on stupidity and racism is out there.
Press Positions? I doubt that. I admit to not reading a newspaper since before Christmas (we students get plenty of holidays) and my own chosen newspapers like the Guardian and Independent would be "liberal". But I dont know what editorial positions others are taking. I am sure David Aaronovitch and Melanie Phillips are still writing their columns.
As Britain has been at the forefront of wars which rightly or wrongly are killing Arabs/Islamists in Iraq and Afghanistan it is still a ludicrous position for HolylandRed to take.....Britain is pro Arab?
If anything Israels actions and Britains (and USA) support or "soft criticism) puts lives of British troops in more danger.