Well yeah, but look at the Kavanaugh hearing and tell me he's fit for his office, yet here we are. The US is broken.
The Mueller Report
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"After reading the Muller report, I was sickened that there were no companies I could gut and sell off piece by piece for a handsome compensation package while putting thousands of honest, hard working Americans out of work." - Mitt Romney, probably.
As if Graham gives a feck about looking like a hypocrite.
She's spot on. Sadly no action will be taken since an election is just around the corner.
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Election is over 18 months away. Considering you have midterm elections that would mean that you only have at the most a 6 month window every 2 years when you could possibly bring any action against a president or party. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
Was thinking the same. The election excuse is a poor one and get out of jail for the Dems. I have no doubt the GOP would have already started impeachment hearings.
In any civilised country, that report would end a democratically elected official's tenure.
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One way to read the Dem leadership response, of course, is that they don't want to draw a line in the sand now because that will create a precedent which limits their own ability to abuse power when they get the chance.
In any other civilised country many of his actions would have finished him a long time ago. The newspapers would have slaughtered him. He most definitely would have been gone within a few hours of the Mueller report.
Unless they think it more prudent to let his finances/intelligence info take him down.
It's a nice excuse to hide behind that sounds a lot better than "any attempt to impeach will fail".
Nadler is focused and taking every action he can with regards to the Mueller Report and his efforts to have Mueller and his team testify will spread more light on what Mueller was allowed to do.
While Congress does its job, there is no need for Bernie to speak about the report.
Only policies.
While Congress does its job, there is no need for Bernie to speak about the report.
Only policies.
Another post marked for a future apology.you are the world's most gullible person
so goodI see it like this
and they expect to win the next election by default so why rock the boat
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Indeed. If he did he would have jumped out of a window from the 25th floor.
The more I read/learn about what is literally said in the Mueller report the more I cannot believe Bill Barr is going to get away with this. There are paragraphs that directly contradict his summary, and they're often in the first 10 pages of the damn thing.
If were the democrats I'd just bring Barr into a public hearing and read those paragraphs, then read his 'summary' and not even ask him questions. Just let him sit there, on camera while they do it. Smug cnut.
If were the democrats I'd just bring Barr into a public hearing and read those paragraphs, then read his 'summary' and not even ask him questions. Just let him sit there, on camera while they do it. Smug cnut.
He is a disgrace. Blown whatever credibility he ever had for what seems like marginal gains for a few weeks.
What credibility? Anyone with half a brain cell knew what he’d be doing, his history cleaning up Iran-Contra.
Well not anyone. There are some in here that believed him...
Strangely though, they seem to have gone very quiet.
Spend days writing essays pointing out how wrong everyone else was in a very condescending manner whilst at the same time trying to act infinitely superior all due to basing everything on a 4 page statement from a disgustingly corrupt AG, only to go quiet when the full report is released.
Priceless.
Strangely though, they seem to have gone very quiet.
Spend days writing essays pointing out how wrong everyone else was in a very condescending manner whilst at the same time trying to act infinitely superior all due to basing everything on a 4 page statement from a disgustingly corrupt AG, only to go quiet when the full report is released.
Priceless.
Sigh. The reaction to the report has been exactly what I'd expected it to be, which I've tried explaining an alternative perspective on to no avail. It simply ended with people outright putting words in my mouth, being corrected on it, and then pretending it never happened.
There is no room for an alternative perspective. The only purpose it serves is as an opportunity for ridicule for you. That's cool, if that's what you need to process these things, have fun with it. However it really is bizarre to me that people in this thread still don't see how they come across. It's been a genuine education in an echo chamber. I don't go on twitter so I'd never seen it unfold quite so clearly.
If you don't want to reckon with that I've no interest in de-railing the thread any more. Unfortunately nothing has changed since the report came out, the tone of the thread has been remarkably consistent throughout. And that consistency is celebrated in here as evidence of foresight, rather than an absence of critical self reflection. There's no more need to make that point. It's as clear as it'll ever be. I no longer understand what you lot get out of it, but I now understand how it works.
If people want to know what I though if the report, it remains really simple:
What came out of the report was entirely predictable, subsequent to Barr's memo. For the people who think Barr's summary of the principal conclusions has now been invalidated, someone should tell the BBC.
Or maybe the BBC have just been duped by Barr's memo, to the point where they're unable to understand the report themselves. Unlike the experts in here.BBC said:
The notion that I'm somehow taken aback by the fact there is incriminating evidence against Trump in there, or I'm confused about Barr's motives in holding it back, is pretty easily disproven.
What you remember and what was said have been consistently established as different things, they're only a caricature created in your own mind, and yet time and again the fiction is more prominent than fact. That's what is odd about this thread. It's obvious, and yet unseen. I thought people just couldn't see it. Now it's clear people just don't want to. Whatever floats your boat I suppose.
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I think there is a good chance that not everyone with half a brain cell is as clued up or as interested in the history.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/richard-burr-robert-mueller_n_5cb8c68ae4b068d795ca5eff
Republican Running Senate Russia Probe Passed FBI Info To White House: Mueller
The special counsel’s report says Sen. Richard Burr, who heads the ongoing Senate inquiry, shared the names of people being investigated by the FBI.
shocked
err not really.
Republican Running Senate Russia Probe Passed FBI Info To White House: Mueller
The special counsel’s report says Sen. Richard Burr, who heads the ongoing Senate inquiry, shared the names of people being investigated by the FBI.
shocked
err not really.
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3. Russia hacked our voting technology, including administrators' computers.
Now that is something new.
Reality though is even if he is impeached in the house, the Republicans who along with Trump are traitors to this nation, will not find Trump guilty.
2020. the elections may not count.
I wonder if the house could impeach him right at the last minute of the 2020 campaign, or if he loses, impeach him before the next inauguration date so he can suffer the humiliation without Dems taking an L on the conviction process. Just to rub salt in the wound ya know?
Fantastic idea. Do it on xmas day 2020 so he has to come back from Florida and miss NYE.
Impeachment should not be a political tool. That's what the Republicans did.
Congress is now doing what needs to be done.
Seeking the Full Mueller Report. Hearings for Mueller and his team. His Taxes.
Taking it all step by step.
Present the evidence to the people.
I’d argue it should be done out of principle, but perhaps do it with the least risk of blowback. Just imagine Trump not only losing the election, but getting impeached immediately afterward. And then after January 20, he’s indicted.
I’d argue it should be done out of principle, but perhaps do it with the least risk of blowback. Just imagine Trump not only losing the election, but getting impeached immediately afterward. And then after January 20, he’s indicted.
He will lose the elections. But before Bernie takes the oath, he will be in the Russian Consulate.
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That is why he needs to be arrested before he can get to the consulate
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Trump is as brazen as hell and as thick as pigshit. I can see the Republicans throwing him under the bus and trying to gain a moral victory for doing so. He's becoming so toxic they must be eating themselves in private. Some wanting to keep the power and others realising the damage and wanting to remove him. Pence is the perfect yes man replacement too. The conflict within them must be at Skywalker/Vader levels.
The closer you get to Election Day the more political an attempted impeachment appears, which could frankly backfire if Trump can successfully frame it as if he’s being persecuted. The Dems should focus on policy and not fall into the trap of dividing between factions. If they remain relatively united, everything else will take care of itself.
Uhm so, bottom line, is the report damning or not? So many conflicting shite about it online.
Conflicting?
You should at least read the summaries at the start of each section, they're about 15 pages total. Should give you a pretty good sense of the underlying conclusions and you can judge yourself.
The alternative to impeachment is to just let him carry on behaving in the way that he is doing now. What sort of alternative is that?
It’s not only strengthening his case that it was all a witch hunt and he has not colluded, or acted corruptly, or obstructed justice and therefore it sets the scene for further corruption, colluding and obstruction to take place. You are in effect telling him that he is above the law. Added to which does America really want to risk another 4 years of him in power to do as he pleases.
At least with impeachment Congress will be able to obtain all the details in the Mueller report and witnesses will have to answer questions in front of a “live” audience. That in itself will finish Trump off....and I suspect it will finish off a few others too.
There already is enough to put away a private citizen for years.
More evidence will be forthcoming before he leaves office.
Just arrest him the moment he is out off office.
More evidence will be forthcoming before he leaves office.
Just arrest him the moment he is out off office.