Why stop at murder? If you dont and you partake in pretty much anything you are nothing but a hypocrite.
The Saudi Takeover Rumor Thread
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Why stop at murder? If you dont and you partake in pretty much anything you are nothing but a hypocrite.
I'm sorry but I don't understand your post.
I am not defending anything. I don't know why Saudi does this or that. It is their country. They can ban dabbing or dancing altogether.And people actually try to defend this behaviour as a different culture.
Reminds me of my Iranian friend trying to justify why women couldn’t watch football at the national stadium, then realising half way through there was literally no reason.
Sorry but you have a problem with it, if it happens and I don't. We will leave it at that.
Can you make a post that is understandable? People have an issue with a particular family who happens to be directly involved in war crimes and murders, what is hypocrite about it?
Also I didn't say anything about you or your opinion, you are the one judging other posters.
This thread really is a ringing endorsement of the old newbie system.
I wouldn’t want to live in a world without my Johnny Walker black label.
No I want you not to put words in my mouth and specifically give a yes/no/don't know answer to one simple question.
The question is as follows.
If members of the Saudi Royal Family took over Manchester United would the human rights abuses perpetrated in the name of that regime cause you personally to cease supporting the club?
It's quite simple. They're rich bad people. If you're OK with that then OK. But what's the point of supporting a club owned by bad people? Who only bought it to make you like them? So they could carry on being bad.
You could well be right about the picture, i'll take your word on it. But people have been arrested for dabbing in Saudi Arabia.
Bye now.
The last people sentenced to death for it were hung in 1835, whereas in Saudi Arabia you can still be executed for it today.
Wait.... didn't we have exactly the same thread about a month back? With exactly the same arguments?
I'm hoping he means that you can "get away" with being gay in Saudi if you hide it.
You can also get away with murder if you hide it.. and not have an Apple watch nearby.
There is no defending that level of stupidity.
wasn't Turing chemically castrated after WW2? It's not death.. but that was pretty messed up.
Without sounding homophobic or approving of whatever messed up thing is happening in KSA, the holier than thou attitude in these thread is quite funny. What about the western government that have abated them? what about the mess and massive human crisis created by America, Uk and the rest of the world in Afghanistan and Iraq? what about the largely blind eye on what is going in Syria?
Let's not turn the thread into a political one. The saudis are not good people but so are most of the government you guys live in. The deportation of those guys from the carribean who have lived most of their lives in the UK and have contributed to what uk is today is almost as bad.
What governments do will not reflect on Manchester united in any way.
Let's not turn the thread into a political one. The saudis are not good people but so are most of the government you guys live in. The deportation of those guys from the carribean who have lived most of their lives in the UK and have contributed to what uk is today is almost as bad.
What governments do will not reflect on Manchester united in any way.
So homosexuality being considered illegal in 1967 is ok then, as long as they weren’t killed for it?
Indeed but internet forums generally tend to be severely left leaning and liberal. People.dont see the irony and hypocrisy in some of their own views. Having said that we don't need saudi funding at all imo, not least because they want to use us like how the Qataris and and emiratis use city and psg. For one it would mean we can no longer taunt city and Chelsea by taking the moral high ground - whatever we had - when we want to ridicule them. For another I don't think our current issues are because we aren't spending enough at all, the saudis need us. We don't need them.
If the Tories, for example, bought Manchester United I’d have a real problem with that.
If someone who simply lived in the UK or the USA bought United, then...well I’m not really sure what your point is actually.
The point is much is made of who the owners are vis a vis their moral standing, it don't matter much for me.
Perhaps not the best analogy but fans in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan did not stop supporting united because of what they passed through in the hands of British government.
At the end of the day political stuffs will be secondary.
Also much of what is happening in Saudi is government related mess, as is found in most parts of the world. What happens in Saudi is the present reality of the Saudi people and their culture. For example in most of the Africa country, Homosexuality is still considered a crime and this is popular with most of its population.
In a nutshell, them involving with united has no bearing on how I see my club.
I'm not defending anything. What he said could mean he was just stating what it was like in Saudi or it could be approving of gay people having to hide.
The later being an archaic, at best, opinion.
The idea that the Caf is left leaning is silly. It couldn't be more dead centre if it had a dashed white line through it.
The lengths people go to make themselves feel better for not giving a shit about war criminals potentially owning a club they support 
It's alright, I guess, if you don't care or don't know enough about the social and political situation in Saudi Arabia. This doesn't mean everyone's a hypocrite who see war crimes and other human rights violations as problematic. It's like when a trade union organises to get bus drivers a bigger wage, you go and say how hypocritical they are because McDonald's pays their workers even less. You can't do or talk about everything at the same time, especially if it happens in a place designated to discuss one concrete topic. What do you fecking expect, people to say "I dislike the idea of a Saudi takeover, but I also don't like what my government does" to prove to you they are not hypocrites?
It's alright, I guess, if you don't care or don't know enough about the social and political situation in Saudi Arabia. This doesn't mean everyone's a hypocrite who see war crimes and other human rights violations as problematic. It's like when a trade union organises to get bus drivers a bigger wage, you go and say how hypocritical they are because McDonald's pays their workers even less. You can't do or talk about everything at the same time, especially if it happens in a place designated to discuss one concrete topic. What do you fecking expect, people to say "I dislike the idea of a Saudi takeover, but I also don't like what my government does" to prove to you they are not hypocrites?
Come off it
You honestly cannot be serious?
You care about something that I don't relate to so you are a SJW.
I'm smart.
I'm smart.
If a state or government body buys Manchester United then this statement will be absolutely false.
Does Kroenke's trophy hunting hobby reflect on Arsenal, you think?
Exactly. How people don't understand that is beyond.
Are these rumours even strong, or is everyone getting their knickers in a twist over just a rumour? I thought a United source denied it.
I'm saying there is different degrees of it. In 1835 in Britain you could be executed for being gay. By the 1950s it was still a crime but the punishments were far less severe, and from 1967 it was no longer illegal.
You can still be executed for it in Saudi Arabia, they are in line with a 200 year old view of the UK, not a 1967 view.
Of course a"United source" would deny it.Personally I don't think it has any legs.
Of course I can.
The Caf is very Lib/Dem
Wow, what an insightful and original view. It's not like what a good number of other ridiculously uninformed posts have said on here already.
As for the frequent use of "let's just keep politics out of football" by such posts, how exactly would you do that when your owners are the rulers of a nation? The club would become a political entity. I'd agree with the notion in general, as that would preclude buy-out by the UAE, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Sadly, the rules do not stop that from happening.
That pretty much sums up the attitude of far too many people nowadays, doesn't it. I mean, how dare people actually give a shit about things, eh?
Yeah it's a weird stance some are taking. All for just a tiny bit more money considering how much money United already use.
What if I'm against these types of owners and don't want them to buy United and I'd not give them any of my money (Not that they'd need it) BUT I still want to support my team when they play football?
I don't think I could just bin off football or go support another team after 36 years of being a United fan.
According to some in this thread, this would make me a bad person. But it's really not that simple. I opposed the Glazer takeover and am still a member of MUST but realistically it's a token gesture now the club is valued at 4 billion.
I don't think I could just bin off football or go support another team after 36 years of being a United fan.
According to some in this thread, this would make me a bad person. But it's really not that simple. I opposed the Glazer takeover and am still a member of MUST but realistically it's a token gesture now the club is valued at 4 billion.
No one is saying if you don't stop supporting Utd you're a bad person. It's the people not acknowledging the evils of the Saudi regime or desperate to make excuses or laughable comparisons instead of just saying it how it actually is.
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