Yep, they are focused on the ‘T’ right now, but they are learning vis à vis how to attack the trans community successfully & none of the letters of the acronym will be safe.
Transgender rights discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
The conservative movement has fully turned to a platform of cruelty and hate. There is no longer any pretense of just or inclusive governing. They gain and retain power by leaning into a rage cycle that must be constantly fed new victims so that their voters remain loyal and engaged. They have been trained that the ills in their life cannot be fixed, but that at least they can punish those who they are told are the "cause" of those ills. I look back on my early 20's when I thought the conservative mindset was right and proper and I am disgusted with myself. What a petty and cruel person I was and still could be had I not left my little Catholic, conservative bubble and moved across the country.
There are large swaths of this country which are worthless & inhabited by mainly worthless people…
This cat's a national treasure...
he was good during the bush years and his show along with the colbert report were doing something which no other media outlet did at the time. he has a lot of goodwill amongst the public from those days. he is a good interviewer and does a decent job pointing out the problems but offers nothing in terms of solutions. he’s better than most liberal media figures but still a liberal at the end of the day.
This is a text book example for no matter how much one might want to debate with the left, there comes the right to make themselves look untenable.
Why is it his job to provide solutions? His job is to hold people who say they have the solutions, to account. To say, “what you claim, doesn’t work, you need to come back with something better”.
how exactly is he holding them accountable? most of these interviews are just political theatre and lead to absolutely nothing. pointing out the hypocrisy of the right or playing this gotcha game with them only leads to legitimize their position further and does nothing in terms of stopping the hatful rhetoric they spread everyday. it is also a such a stupid and naive way of looking at politics. I think it can be more useful use of his platform to discuss solutions. but that would require him to stop being a liberal.
So, in your view, which segment of the political spectrum is best equipped to both hold those who are anti-trans to account & deliver solutions for them?
I think it’s a bit too late for that because liberals had the chance to stand up for trans people when the issue was becoming a major political debate. now a lot of states have passed anti-trans legislation and ensured trans people get little or no legal protection. we can argue endlessly and have multiple gotcha interviews but that would mean nothing to someone living in these states where identifying as trans is punishable by law.
Appreciate the reply, but my question wasn't really answered. Unless you mean that the problem is too far gone for any segment of the political left to even attempt it a solution?
yes, it is too far gone. for the left to tackle the issue would require liberals to come to terms with their own anti-trans views which have enabled the anti-trans rhetoric from the right to flourish, which is something that’ll never happen.
Ever the cheery nihilist, you are.
this is kinda the reason why I didn’t answer your question earlier. besides the fact that the question was mostly an imaginary scenario that would never actually happen. liberals love doing this schtick after all the damage is done, “so what do you suggest” or “you’re so cynical” when all along the solution was right in front of them and they were happy to ignore it, which was to listen to trans people.
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You rarely seem to answer questions posed to you. The question was rather straightforward as to who you feel could best champion the trans cause if liberals couldn’t. You tend to bloviate in your replies to a direct question.
Where do you see yourself on the political spectrum?
I did answer your question. I think you are better off asking yourself what asking this question is supposed to achieve and why does it always strike me to ask this question after the damage is done.
Nah, you responded, but didn’t answer. There’s a difference.
So, about that location on the political spectrum again?
Christ, I thought you were joking about that, hence my pithy reply. I was referring to your non-answer on what segment of left politics would be the ones to come up with solutions.
That’s surreal that you think it’s too far gone. Genuinely gobsmacked that you would think such.
What’s that location then?
That’s surreal that you think it’s too far gone. Genuinely gobsmacked that you would think such.
What’s that location then?
why would I joke about something so horrendous? you yourself have posted multiple tweets regarding anti-trans legislation being passed every other week. it's kinda incredible that you think it isn't far too gone yet.
It never goes too far to not to try to reverse it.
You claimed that liberals can’t / won’t do the heavy lifting after calling out someone for being anti-trans, but you won’t give who can. Hell, I apologize for thinking you made a quip to a somewhat sardonic question asked by me; you truly do seem to be a nihilist. We should all just give up then.
Out of curiosity, how do you see that happening? Looking from the outside, I see one party doing whatever it takes to feck people over and the other side soft as feck. I don't see the democrats with 10% of the energy republicans put into these issues, so it's hard to see how it's going to get better.
when and how do you see it happening?
Might ultimately break down to states being pro / con LGBTQ rights due to political makeup of state legislatures, but people like Stewart are doing the issue a service by speaking truth to power & illuminating such. It will have to take hold at a more grassroots level, but similarities exist with the common sense gun control advocates who actually got their bill through committee this evening in Texas of all places. A element of critical mass will need to be reached in the struggle for gay rights like it hopefully reaching in the gun control saga & people like JS will be important in approaching that.
Now as for solutions, I’m not erudite enough to offer much in terms of specificity, but they will ultimately have to come from liberals.
See above.
Well, that just settles that…
Beyonce fans are going to break the little divorced Irish man in half.
It’s funny the way “terfs” is used as a catch all for everyone on one side of this particular online culture war. When the vast majority of them are not feminists, in any shape or form.
Oh…
Man abducted and sexually assaulted schoolgirl while dressed as woman
A man has admitted abducting a primary school girl while dressed as a woman before sexually assaulting her at his home in the Scottish Borders.
Andrew Miller, who is also known as Amy George, offered to give the girl a lift home in February of this year.
The 53-year-old instead drove her to his own house, took her into a bedroom and refused to let her leave.
He then subjected her to a series of sexual assaults over the course of the next 27 hours.
Man abducted and sexually assaulted schoolgirl while dressed as woman - BBC News
This is so f'd up.
A man has admitted abducting a primary school girl while dressed as a woman before sexually assaulting her at his home in the Scottish Borders.
Andrew Miller, who is also known as Amy George, offered to give the girl a lift home in February of this year.
The 53-year-old instead drove her to his own house, took her into a bedroom and refused to let her leave.
He then subjected her to a series of sexual assaults over the course of the next 27 hours.
Man abducted and sexually assaulted schoolgirl while dressed as woman - BBC News
This is so f'd up.
A rapist is a rapist, regardless of sex or gender
Christ that's horrible.
Tell me, what does it have to do with transgender rights?
Dirty fecking beast!
This is the only thread to my mind which is about transgender discussion on the board.
This has nothing to do with Transgender discussion
Ok so what does this add to the transgender discussion?