We didn't stop them from doing shit. They could have been up 3-0 by the time they first scored.
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We didn't stop them from doing shit. They could have been up 3-0 by the time they first scored.
I honestly think he was watching a different game to the one I saw.
I dunno how you could think United stopped anything. City were in total control from start to finish.
They might have been in control but for so much of the game they were only one goal ahead so they were far from comfortable.
They didn't get out of third gear. We got a penalty from nowhere but it didn't act as a springboard even to chase the game. In fact we didn't create anything. They were very comfortable.
Meh, a team like City can be only a goal up but you still feel like they're feeling comfortable. It always looked more likely that City would double their lead than United getting a point.
It's no dig at United, I felt the same (to a slightly lesser extent) when we played them, and that was at home. Of course, when only one goal is in it anything can happen, but you don't get a sense that they start to panic in these situations.
United were 2-0 to City last year and won 3-2. No team can ever be that comfortable when just a goal up. Just look at Pep's face when United scored.
I don't know where you've been for the last week. Now that we know what we do, we can see that City are anything but well managed. There is a slight whiff of Bert coming off you looking at most of your previous posts.
I watched the game so know what i saw. Shaw was caught ball watching for the first goal. I expected him to clear it when the cross came in & was very surprised when it came back into our box. A poor kick from DDG directly set up their second. (On a side note he did exactly the same thing in last years fixture which gifted City their 2nd goal.) The third goal was a direct result of us sitting back & allowing them to pass the ball around without challenge.
They had a couple of shots before they scored but they were well wide. We then got our shape together & they struggled to find any space. There was lot's of pointless passing but it never lead to anything.
According to the recent leaks Sterling & KDB were both signings sanctioned by Pep so these should really be added to Pep's spend not Pellegrini's. A £650M spend in 2 seasons is insane even by today's standards.
They are big cheats and their dealings are a stain on the game. However, we can learn a thing or two about how they use money to sign players. They first and foremost have a plan and an identity that allows them have a clear idea of the players they would need to fit their style. What I've seen us do a couple of times is identify their potential targets and go for them.
Re: the match: they controlled the tempo of the game for the most part of it. Sure they were careful at certain points and there was a chance that we could get something from the game but they didn't need to step up their game because they were ahead very early. We were the ones that needed to step up our game. See most goals that are scored are result of somebody in the opposing team loosing concentration, getting beat, getting skinned, etc.
If a team attacks your goal 95 percent of the time and you do so 5 percent of the time, they will easily get more opportunities to score and win. To say we deserved anything from that game is quite generous to us. I was fuming for most of the game.
Anyone else wonder why fellaini and even more so Sanchez didn’t kick sterling into the stand for his showboating rubbish at the end ? Can you imagine if it was Neville, Scholes or Keane near him ? Sanchez just literally watched him with the attitude I don’t really care before fellaini eventually just got the ball instead of his legs.
I think you are spot on saying Sanchez doesn't care, he's really disappointed in so many ways.
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Check www.transfermarkt.co.uk. The transfer spend of the clubs is directly comparable. The difference between the net spend of Mourinho and Guardiola is £65m.
Utd had 1 shot in the Derby. The penalty. Utd were totally outplayed. Utd need to rebuild their squad and are facing the prospect of doing so outside the top 4. You are incredibly complacent if you can't see the warning signs. In my opinion Utd it's too late anyway. Woodward and the board should have sacked the coach in the Summer. They had their reservations about his transfer targets and at that point they should have fired him. Their concerns became public (big mistake) and he's lost authority in the dressing room.
I feel Utd will panic soon. Bring in a Man Utd interim appointment (ex player) and then look to rally get top 4 and make a long term appointment in the Summer.
I love this thread...
Net spend is a pointless argument. Many of the players Pep has sold were at the club before he arrived. Nolito was the only Pep buy that was sold on. Bravo would have been sold too but no buyer could be found. You have obviously not read the recent leaks. These confirm that Stirling & KDB were signings Pep ordered when he knew he would be going to City.
Nobody is saying City didn't outplay Utd. We went there with the sole intention of grinding out a 0 - 0. Due to the unforced errors on our part this wasn't possible. If we hadn't made these errors & got the 0 - 0 everyone would be hailing it as a Jose masterclass.
Can you quote the part of the leaks which stated Pep "ordered" these signings?
A José masterclass? Jose's masterclasses of the past involved a lot more than what went on on Sunday. You never laid a glove on City. No spoiling tactics nothing. You let them play around with you in your own third. Pretty sure the Chelsea of old wouldn't have allowed that.
Utterly deluded
Everyone most definitely would not say that and you just have to look at the game in Turin to see that. The comments about our approach and execution of that game weren't anywhere close to even suggesting it was a Mourinho masterclass, and rightly so, even though we got the three points. A United team going to Ethiad and setting up shop to grind out a 0-0 result when we are 9 points behind already would get slaughtered by 50% of our fans.
Considering the billion City spent prior to Pep arriving its no surprise they had a whole lot of players to sell on.
Pep has spent nearly £200m more than Mourinho.
The difference comes from selling academy players, City made 70m from youngsters. They didn't make much money from selling Kolarov, Nolito, etc.
City's bench players on Sunday cost only 120m, wheareas on our bench sat players for 230m. Here's the big differece, they have bought much better and their manager brings the best out of their signings.
Southampton are a big
I've got it all in www.transfermarkt.co.uk. Guardiola spent £545m and recouped £167m (you have to check U23 and U18 to get the correct data). Utd net spend in same period is £313m. So Utd's spending will surpass City's if Woodward gets his men in January.
If you say City are cheating, then why aren't Man Utd? City's UAE revenue is c. £80m a small fraction of the overall revenue. A lot of Utd fans are not prepared to accept that Utd have wasted extraordinary sums on poor players and this is the reason for the mid-table position. It's got nothing to do with how much City spend.
The gap in spending is £65m. I've provided you with the source. You can't just ignore the outgoings and pretend they didn't happen.
Firstly the cost of City's starting 11 was double the cost of what United's was, over £200m more.
Depends on you definition of academy players, nearly all of those were bought aged 16/17 for huge money. These aren't players developed by City's academy. Its a business model they've copied from Chelsea. I'm not sure we've heard the end about City's academy either, der spiegel might uncover something.
I wouldn't be getting too carried away with how good they've spent their money considering 5 of their best front 6 were their prior to Pep arriving.
The only reason we'd be challenging for a title if Pep had come here is because he wouldn't be at City.
My first point was that the reason why the difference in net spending is only 60-70m is that they sold youngsters for 70m. Whether those youngsters were recruited in a legal way is a different question.
My second point is that they have bought better because they play their new players and do not keep them on the bench. 7 players in the first XI on Sunday were bought by Guardiola: Fernandinho, D. Silva, Sterling and Aguero were inherited. In contrast, Jose started only 2 of his signings: Lindelof and Matic. Most of his signings were on the bench or not in the group (Bailly). Taken together they cost 200m. Jose should have bought better and should have brought more out his signings.
Agreed mate. Many clubs would kill to be in our position. It's all excuses and more excuses by incompetent and narcissistic managers appointed by the club since SAF.
When it was known that Pogba was out & Sanchez would only be on the bench i think most Utd fans would have snapped your hand off for a 0 - 0. You only have to look at the havoc they created in last years match to know we were in serious trouble with them both out. I don't ever want to see Utd set up this way but you have to play the occasion. We were missing our 2 game changers & coming off the back of a difficult couple of away games. They had a fully fit squad & were well rested after playing 2 poor teams at home. They were obviously missing KDB but he is directly interchangeable with Silva so not a massive drop off.
You understand that the more massive signings you make and fail with, the more players you have to sell at big fees? So your team will always have more money coming in on players than most teams.
And stop making every single sentence a contrast with united, there are 18 other teams in the league and 90 other professional clubs in England , typical of a city fan to obsess over united.
You were a shit meaningless club, got bought by a nation for propaganda and bent over and took it because they spend without a budget. A soulless modern day club that typifies the decline of the game. The usual desperate denial of a city fan pouring from you. Just accept it and enjoy it for what it is , but don’t expect a single person to respect your plastic team.
Mourinho can be criticised over his signings but with time that may change in time, as for net spend is not fair to be critical of him.
The reality is Pep's spending at £550m is about £200m more than Mourinho's
Whether it’s £65m or £200m doesn’t really matter, the difference between the sides is significantly more than both of those figures right now.
The only thing City fans can be glad of is that they brought the super-cynical (yet effective) trio Pepus-Txiqui-Soriano of 2005-2009 Barça glory
The 2012 league was blind luck and 2014 was Liverpool's but they bl*w it, of course, because they are bottlers.
City will suffer once Pepus leaves.
The 2012 league was blind luck and 2014 was Liverpool's but they bl*w it, of course, because they are bottlers.
City will suffer once Pepus leaves.
I really don't get why they've been destroying the PL ever since last season. I mean, look at their team. It's a great team, but how are they a 100+ pts team? They're not exactly playing prime Xavi/Iniesta/Busquets in midfield. It's a 30+ year old David Silva, a 30+ Fernandinho and Bernardo Silva/De Bruyne. In attack they have Sane & Sterling, not exactly peak Ribery/Robben either. And at RB they got Walker who was always just a solid PL player but not Dani Alves/Lahm. And at LB they got Delph & Mendy.
It's just baffling to me that they actually managed to get 100 points last season and are now again murdering teams left and right in the PL.
It's just baffling to me that they actually managed to get 100 points last season and are now again murdering teams left and right in the PL.
You are right and that proves two things:
a) the low.level of the PL other than 6-7 teams
b) Man City doesn't have a good enough squad to win the UChL.
Net spend is not a balanced comparison between the 2 managers time in Manchester. Look at the original cost of the players which City sold on at a big loss. Throwing cash at the problem. The City way.
I can answer your question. City are cheating through fake inflated sponsorships subsidised by the UAE. Paying players through shell conpanies to keep wage bill artificially lower (by £30m over 2 years). And also by hiring managers in "advisory" roles in the UAE, effectively doubling the manager wages but again keeping it off the wage bill. I.e. Mancini.
c) Pep Guardiola
In his 10 years as a coach only twice he didnt win the league! Mourinho's Real beat his Barca in 2012 with record breaking 100 points to the title in Spain while his first season at City was his worst and he didnt win a single trophy..
2008-2009 - Barcelona - champion - 87 pts
2009-2010 - Barcelona - champion - 99 pts
2010-2011 - Barcelona - champion - 96 pts
2011-2012 - Barcelona - 2nd place - 91 pts
2013-2014 - Bayern - champion - 90 pts
2014-2015 - Bayern - champion - 79 pts
2015-2016 - Bayern - champion - 88 pts
2016-2017 - Manchester City - 3rd - 78 pts
2017-2018 - Manchester City - champion - 100 pts
2018-2019 - Manchester City - ??
The Etihad deal was £67.5m. How is that inflated? Aabar Investments are owned by the Sheikh. He can choose to pay what he wants.
UAE deals are c. £80m. A small part of City's £500m revenues.
Mancini was employed as an advisor to a UAE football club.
FFP was a political device aimed at stopping Manchester City. Is anyone going to investigate Man Utd's links to Saudi Arabia?
Etihad at 67 million was not inflated when they paid only 8 million and rest by city owners.
Then there’s the “B” teams they’ve set up under the “City Football Group” like NYCFC, Melbourne, CA Torque, and Girona.
Why would he leave though? Hes clearly happy to sell out any notion of him as a purist and his job choices show hes not motivated by a challenge. An unlimited budget with a club circumventing rules is such an easy job for him. He could just go on winning titles without much fuss
Etihad at 67 million was not inflated when they paid only 8 million and rest by city owners.
City fans heads buried in dubai sand
Manchester City accused of making illegal payments to young players’ families
Club also tried to sign Andreas Christiansen but were beaten to it by Chelsea, leaked documents have claimed
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...-payments-to-young-players-families-g07p85qn9
But many of those players like Balotelli, Tevez, Nasri, Navas, Robinho, Yaya, Zabaleta, Clichy, Kolarov, Sagna etc. aren't there with Pep, they are the players of the former era, only Aguero, David Silva, Kompany (5m), Otamendi, Sterling and KDB are there.
Kolarov left for Roma for a fee of €5m (euros), Zabaleta, Clichy, Sagna, Navas and Yaya left on a free. The fact that Sagna joined Benevento, Clichy signed for Turkish club Başakşehir, Nasri signed for Turkish club Antalyaspor before his ban, Yaya signed for a Greek club and Zabaleta signed for West Ham when he was available on a free for all big clubs show their market values when they left City. So City spending 2b before Pep is pointless, Manchester United spent just as much.
Mourinho bought Pogba, Lukaku, Bailly, Lindelöf, Fred, Sanchez, Matic etc, if some of them aren't good enough that's Jose's problem.
Etihad say they are entirely liable for it, and will be in their accounts.Etihad at 67 million was not inflated when they paid only 8 million and rest by city owners.