For my part I'm horrified by how the armistice remembrance is being weaponised for the purposes of right-wing culture war. If there's one thing the armistice remembrance should not be, it's that. All decent people need to push back against that. It's an insult to the men who died, far more so than failing to wear a poppy, or stealing the limelight for some different cause on the day in question.
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For my part I'm horrified by how the armistice remembrance is being weaponised for the purposes of right-wing culture war. If there's one thing the armistice remembrance should not be, it's that. All decent people need to push back against that. It's an insult to the men who died, far more so than failing to wear a poppy, or stealing the limelight for some different cause on the day in question.
Someone tell this prick he’s meant to be a journalist, not salvaging the blushes of his MP buddies ffs.
Agree entirely with your first part, that's my guess as well, but as you say could both be wrong!
It's a bit of a stretch bringing in Cameron after Brexit, to try (
) to influence other World leaders, even if he is officially accepted as Sunak's aide-de-camp. Also our influence in the world, even the 'soft' stuff' we normally get credited for is not high rated in the current world and it's unlikely to help Sunak, as he's let the army be run down, let go the best Defence Minister we have had for ages... just cannot see it happening. In the end we will jump with the Yanks, whatever they do we will follow.Yes.... 'One Nation Tories' oh my goodness it's splitting my sides!
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She’s going to have more spare time for her favourite past time now - being an apex predator.
I entirely agree, the protest should have been deferred, no protest of any description should be used to 'weaponise' Armistice and Remembrance days, whether they form part of a weekend or not.
It might have been referred to as that, but it certainly isn’t a weekend of remembrance. It was also very convenient for MP’s and the press to push that narrative, even though the protest was never going anywhere near the cenotaph.
The two minutes silence was observed by those protesting, there is no expectation beyond that on the 11th. I genuinely think a lot of people (not you) are confusing armistice day and Remembrance Sunday. The cenotaph is not a big event on the 11th.
I carried on doing my food shop and going about my day, football started at 12.30, loads of the country would have been having drinks in the afternoon and not “remembering” the end of World War One.
Maybe not for you doing your shopping and so on, but for many it was just that!
For those people who did observe the two minutes silence, for Armistice it was in Remembrance of the end of WWI and the slaughter it entailed. I know I observe it every year for my Grandfather who died in 1916 in a London hospital from wounds suffered on the battlefield in France. As a small child I also attended the War memorial service, on Remembrance Sunday where his name is engraved on the memorial, along with seventeen other men, five off the same street he lived, his friends and neighbours...wearing his medals.
I promise you this has nothing whatsoever to do with politicians narratives and is purely personal as it will be for thousands of others in the UK and I resent people using the Armistice for any other purpose except Remembrance.
Come on guys was hoping for more Suella memes!
Er, the protest really didn't, it's responses to it like yours that does.
I thought of Randy Orton. He needs to RKO Coffey.
Huh? How can no protest be weaponised? I’m not following your train of thought at all here.
Every reply to him ends up with this response.
Its incredible, you really believe that by stating that Armistice day and Remembrance Sunday in the UK, in particular when they occur side by side (over a specific weekend) should be kept free from protest of any kind ...is itself some form of misuse, or is weaponising it.... ?
Well you've taken my breath away!
If you were to rank things in terms of importance, which would come out on top:
Ending indiscriminate bombing of civilians in Palestine,
or:
Making sure rememberance sunday is nice and quiet.
I can't believe the second of these is even a concern at this moment in time, to be honest.
Sorry, it should be any kind of protest occuring over these two days of remembrance should not be allowed, as a sign of respect, for the fallen who gave their lives for their country; or if it is believed they are links e.g. the call for a ceasefire in Gaza linked to the Armistice of WW1, then the linkage should not be in the form or protest but of respect e.g. perhaps a silent vigil, no banners, no chanting of slogans, etc.
I don't agree with that at all - the respect of the day is shown with the 2 minutes silence and the royal family / state / dignitary traditions that follow. That's the remembrance aspect part.
How else the day is marked is open to anything. I can't think of a better way of remembering their sacrifice then calling for an armistice elsewhere.
Now the homeless are not safe.
This really is a daft proposal, as it stands, it is couched in words of your choosing you want me to answer to, but I will nevertheless respond and couch it a different way;
There is a war going on between Israel and Hamas in parts of Palestine, and whilst numbers may be disputed, it's true civilians are getting caught up and dying in the war, many its believed in Gaza are children; so therefore yes, of course in the interests of humanity I would support a ceasefire immediately, if both sides could agree.
As far as protesting, in the UK, about the war is concerned, then yes also I would agree people are, and should be allowed, to protest. Personally I think the UK government and the opposition will not change their stance on the matter, unless the Americans do, but protest should nevertheless be allowed.
However, as someone who personally holds both the Armistice and Remembrance Sunday occasion dear, I would have asked the organisers' to reconsider, if either the dates or the nature of the events could have been arranged to respect the views of those also affected by what these two events represent, i.e those who have lost relatives and loved ones and many innocents in two WW. In particular in my case WW1 where I lost my grandfather whom I never met, have only 1 photograph of and the only direct link were his medals and what my grandmother told me. I never met this man, yet on these two days each year, and this year being nearly 100 years later, still I grieve for him. He joined up with and died alongside 5 of his friends and neighbours who answered their country's call to arms in 1915.
Yes, I am an old man myself now, but this is important me, and I know to many, many, others. I agree that both the Armistice and Remembrance Sunday occasions are diminishing in the collective memory of the people of this country and for some have no meaning at all. However I truly believe once you stop remembering or even caring about your dead, who gave their lives for their country, there is no future for any of us.
The truth is nothing in Gaza would have changed if this date had been change, a lot of support might have poured in or indeed a lot of attention of the right kind may well have attached itself to further protest, an opportunity was missed.
That’s fine, but the people who want to spend the whole day on the 11th “remembering” don’t get to tell everyone else what they can/cannot do. Not to mention, those connected to various remembrance events had no issues with the protests.
The protests happened on plenty of other Saturdays recently, it didn’t happen because it fell on armistice day.
They were safe before?
This is precisely why Sunak is just another Tory Cnut.
I think that’s your 3rd wrestling reference of the day. Not saying they’re not appropriate though
I think that’s your 3rd wrestling reference of the day. Not saying they’re not appropriate though
I can’t help it
"Hey guys, we're all friends when you think about it. You can't eat pork, you can't eat pork, I fecked a pig's mouth. But let's not dwell on the soft supple lips as they wrapped themselves around my throbbing cock; let's discuss a ceasefire!"
I still have to pinch myself that this vile individual was in the honours list. Does she actually think she can hold her seat at the next election
I still have to pinch myself that this vile individual was in the honours list. Does she actually think she can hold her seat at the next election
"Turbo charge our skills to power the economy." I've read a lot of shite from these slogan-centric knobheads but this is one of the worst.
Feck sake
I think it's entirely possible that'll be the first time that he's ever been on a public transport bus.
Who said that sleeping rough is a lifestyle choice.....
Very good.
Of course it's words of my choosing. That's the nature of debate. I just don't understand why you think that protests should be quiet and not inconvenience people or even cause them to stop and think about what the meaning of armistice is.
I'm voting Tory again! Great to see Dave back.