Westminster Politics

Rwanda had less than 500 asylum applications in a year recently.

Our backlog goes to about 150,000.

So we could burst their infrastructure by sending 10x their annual intake, and it would still only be 3% of the backlog covered!

That’s the killer for me, that they’re willing to try to pull out of all of these international agreements at all is one horrific thing, but for something that barely scratches the surface of the issue?!?!?
 
Shameful seeing these Muslim shadow cabinet members abstain as they were worried about losing their jobs.
 
i’m hoping this is all part of some secret experiment, and that anyone who actually votes for this shower to get another stab at being even shitter come the next election has their right to vote removed from them, after being kicked swiftly in the bollocks.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Rwanda had less than 500 asylum applications in a year recently.

Our backlog goes to about 150,000.

So we could burst their infrastructure by sending 10x their annual intake, and it would still only be 3% of the backlog covered!

That’s the killer for me, that they’re willing to try to pull out of all of these international agreements at all is one horrific thing, but for something that barely scratches the surface of the issue?!?!?
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And there was the agreement that we would, in turn, accept some asylum seekers they didn't want. There was never anything to this plan than a massively expensive PR stunt to curry favour with the old, thick racist element of the voting public, and one the Tories wrongly thought would be an easy win for them.
 
Rwanda was only ever a culture war topic rather than a solution. Two questions:

1 What percentage of the population are genuinely animated by this idea of sending them to Rwanda? 20% and decreasing according to actuarial statistics? Or is the effect greater due to constituency boundaries?
2. For the 99.9% on here who see through this bs, are we playing to the Tories’ tune by even discussing this ridiculous “project” when public services are collapsing due to 13 years of clown car rule?
 
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Would anyone be surprised if he calls a spring election and fights it on brexit ref terms..ie immigration / brown people out.
 
MoskvaRed said:
Rwanda was only ever a culture war topic rather than a solution. Two questions:

1 What percentage of the population are genuinely animated by this idea of sending them to Rwanda? 20% and decreasing according to actuarial statistics? Or is the effect greater die to constituency boundaries?
2. For the 99.9% on here who see through this bs, are we playing to the Tories’ tune by even discussing this ridiculous “project” when public services are collapsing due to 13 years of clown car rule?
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The main objective was probably to devise a plan that even Starmer would think is too far(quite a challenge, to be fair) so they can lambast labour for opposing the will of the people. Attacking labour is all they have left now.
 
Withnail said:
I'm sorry... What?

I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to the Rwanda thing as I'm not from the UK but sending all asylum seekers to Rwanda is just bizarre.
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Yeah, right? And they're trying to break the law to force it through.
 
Superden said:
Would anyone be surprised if he calls a spring election and fights it on brexit ref terms..ie immigration / brown people out.
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Once Brexit talk/immigration talk ramps up, you know something is around the corner.

It’s the easiest political point scoring system in the UK. Throw in the the current trend of referring to pro-ceasefire people now being branded as antisemites and you’ve got yourself a great sideshow over in the Labour camp for the Tories to use as further political points.

Pre October 7th I thought Sunak would run his full term but I’m starting to think they will ramp up the rhetoric and go for it. Just waiting for Nigel Farage to crawl out of the woodwork before it’s certain.
 
NotoriousISSY said:
Once Brexit talk/immigration talk ramps up, you know something is around the corner.

It’s the easiest political point scoring system in the UK. Throw in the the current trend of referring to pro-ceasefire people now being branded as antisemites and you’ve got yourself a great sideshow over in the Labour camp for the Tories to use as further political points.

Pre October 7th I thought Sunak would run his full term but I’m starting to think they will ramp up the rhetoric and go for it. Just waiting for Nigel Farage to crawl out of the woodwork before it’s certain.
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Immigration is losing its bite as a genuine vote earner though; it’s too transparent at this point and isn’t getting them anywhere.

They’ve had 13 years of power and boy does the public know it and it’s an easy response for Lab, and the Conservative party line on the issue is a circus. Even this further statement on we’ll try again with Rwanda is basically a dead cat - his proposed “solution” isn’t even an answer to the critiques in the court judgement.

It’s also somewhat humorous it’s the ethnic minorities in the party as the face of arguing against the net economic benefits of migration. They think it allows them to be harsh in their rhetoric but it is all a bit self defeating saying “no, THOSE non-whites are bad for the economy”.

PMQs today Rishi was obviously flat-footed. Whenever he blindly name drops Corbyn he looks pathetically weak and has no answer so hides behind “but Jeremy Corbyn exists!!!!!” - I wasn’t even a big fan of Corbyn but give the history’s greatest monster rhetoric a rest.
 
Jam said:
Immigration is losing its bite as a genuine vote earner though; it’s too transparent at this point and isn’t getting them anywhere.

They’ve had 13 years of power and boy does the public know it and it’s an easy response for Lab, and the Conservative party line on the issue is a circus. Even this further statement on we’ll try again with Rwanda is basically a dead cat - his proposed “solution” isn’t even an answer to the critiques in the court judgement.

It’s also somewhat humorous it’s the ethnic minorities in the party as the face of arguing against the net economic benefits of migration. They think it allows them to be harsh in their rhetoric but it is all a bit self defeating saying “no, THOSE non-whites are bad for the economy”.

PMQs today Rishi was obviously flat-footed. Whenever he blindly name drops Corbyn he looks pathetically weak and has no answer so hides behind “but Jeremy Corbyn exists!!!!!” - I wasn’t even a big fan of Corbyn but give the history’s greatest monster rhetoric a rest.
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Generally agree with you to be honest, but having woken up a few times recently to EDL presence and David Cameron back in Government, I feel like it’s 2011 again!

It’s genuinely one of the most confusing times to be alive for some people, and it appears that the boundary lines for political position are being crossed from all angles.
 
Jam said:
Immigration is losing its bite as a genuine vote earner though; it’s too transparent at this point and isn’t getting them anywhere.

They’ve had 13 years of power and boy does the public know it and it’s an easy response for Lab, and the Conservative party line on the issue is a circus. Even this further statement on we’ll try again with Rwanda is basically a dead cat - his proposed “solution” isn’t even an answer to the critiques in the court judgement.

It’s also somewhat humorous it’s the ethnic minorities in the party as the face of arguing against the net economic benefits of migration. They think it allows them to be harsh in their rhetoric but it is all a bit self defeating saying “no, THOSE non-whites are bad for the economy”.

PMQs today Rishi was obviously flat-footed. Whenever he blindly name drops Corbyn he looks pathetically weak and has no answer so hides behind “but Jeremy Corbyn exists!!!!!” - I wasn’t even a big fan of Corbyn but give the history’s greatest monster rhetoric a rest.
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I don't believe that for a second. A chunk of voters no doubt have lost faith in the Tories' ability to stem immigration, but it remains a burning issue.
For voters who see it as a top two three issue, they won't vote Labour, they'll keep voting Tory and blaming the ECHR, UN, Sunak, liberal elite or whatever bollocks.
 
They obviously expected to lose and will just use it frame their next election campaign. They're banking on the crazy right at this stage so immigration and anti-establishment policies will be front and centre.

It's going to be a horrible election campaign and Labour will be meek in their response to it.
 
Its a bit ironic prime ministar who's of Punjabi descent is going big on immigration in the sense of stopping it.
 
TheGame said:
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these kinds of people always give the game away when they say "look after our own first". It's not that they think it's impossible to do both, but they'd rather see others hurt and suffer than holding their political party to account for not achieving both.
 
TheGame said:
God Almighty

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Amusing how these gammons think the second we deport those migrants to Rwanda, huge money wells start erupting all over the nation, and Britain then transforms into a land of milk and honey. Its as if those pesky migrants were the one thing holding Britain back from greatness, and definitely nothing to do with over a decade of Tory cronyism and economic mismanagement.They were right about it being an opportunity to invest in and help 'our own', unfortunately for them 'our own' refers to the Tories and their mates, and the rest of us won't see a penny of any investment.
 
WPMUFC said:
these kinds of people always give the game away when they say "look after our own first". It's not that they think it's impossible to do both, but they'd rather see others hurt and suffer than holding their political party to account for not achieving both.
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They believe we have no money because they've watched their communities and services perish.

Unfortunately they don't understand that it's the choice of the politicians they elected why their library and A&E has closed, not that 40 people drowned en route across the channel. They believe we have no money and we must lower numbers to spread the finite cash. Like a household. Alas that and general bigotry.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
They believe we have no money because they've watched their communities and services perish.

Unfortunately they don't understand that it's the choice of the politicians they elected why their library and A&E has closed, not that 40 people drowned en route across the channel. They believe we have no money and we must lower numbers to spread the finite cash. Like a household. Alas that and general bigotry.
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Exactly this and the cycle just repeats itself because they read papers like the Daily Mail.
 
TheGame said:
Exactly this and the cycle just repeats itself because they read papers like the Daily Mail.
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Even if we removed 5million migrants, there would still be no A&E or community centre. There would be no more money.

This is because the people they voted in don't believe they should have a community centre or a doctor's surgery.

So regardless of how many people we get rid of, their lives aren't improving.
 
TheGame said:
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This is the new brexit. They will make this central point of the next election. we are so stupid in this country. People will base their vote on an undeliverable promise by the tories. We are a finished country.
 
TheGame said:
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This is what you get when the vast majority of the papers continue to headline this issue.
Precisely what happened in 2016 that resulted in Brexit.
Gullible people swallowing what they are being fed daily by the media.
 
Kaos said:
Amusing how these gammons think the second we deport those migrants to Rwanda, huge money wells start erupting all over the nation, and Britain then transforms into a land of milk and honey. Its as if those pesky migrants were the one thing holding Britain back from greatness, and definitely nothing to do with over a decade of Tory cronyism and economic mismanagement.They were right about it being an opportunity to invest in and help 'our own', unfortunately for them 'our own' refers to the Tories and their mates, and the rest of us won't see a penny of any investment.
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The same people who were dumb enough to believe in Boris Brexit red bus promising hundreds of millions for the NHS.
 
Buster15 said:
The same people who were dumb enough to believe in Boris Brexit red bus promising hundreds of millions for the NHS.
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People are suckers. Doesn’t matter how many times they have been mugged. Politicians know these things. They are desperate for politicians to tell them what they want to hear and will keep believing it. There’s no hope.
 
Buster15 said:
The same people who were dumb enough to believe in Boris Brexit red bus promising hundreds of millions for the NHS.
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Except he did honour that, millions were indeed put aside for 'the NHS'. What he failed to mentioned was they would be in the form of shady contracts for Tory affiliated businesses involved in healthcare.
 
Cleverly says he won't apologise for £140m already spent on Rwanda scheme, saying it's already having deterrent effect
The government has already given Rwanda £140m as part of its deportation deal, even though not one asylum seeker has yet been sent to the country. Asked about this on LBC, James Cleverly, the home secretary, said he would not be apologising for spending this money. He claimed the policy was already having a deterrent effect. He said

I’m going to be really clear on this. I make no apology at all for spending money protecting this nation. It is the primary function of government.
We know that even before the first flight has taken off the Rwanda policy is having a deterrent effect.
We interview people that have attempted to come here through illegal migration and we know that people have been dissuaded from coming to the UK because of the fear of Rwanda scheme.
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So they've interviewed people who have attempted to come to the UK - but if they had been dissuaded how could they be attempting to go?
Fear of the Rwanda scheme - why should they fear a nice cuddly lovely place? And nobody's been sent yet and nobody will ever be sent.
 
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