Westminster Politics

Smores said:


They won't run down the NHS they said....
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Poole 2019 election result - Tory Hold(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000881)

And..............

Poole Hospital's A&E to close as part of £147m NHS shake-up plans
https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2...-to-close-as-part-of-147m-nhs-shake-up-plans/

The Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, has approved £147 million plans to reorganise hospital services in Dorset.

Under the plans, the Accident and Emergency department at Poole Hospital will close and move to the Royal Bournemouth Hospital, eight miles away.

Poole Hospital will instead become the major planned care hospital for East Dorset.

Campaigners have criticised the decision, saying it puts patient care in jeopardy but Poole Hospital NHS Foundation Trust says it will improve services for local people and bring huge improvements to thousands of patients.
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Pexbo said:
The big thick green line that is cropped out is @sun_tzu's bookmark bar : 31%
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:lol:
 


Britain used protectionism and the physical elimination of competition through violence to rise to preeminence.

The Acts generally prohibited the use of foreign ships, required the employment of English and colonial mariners for three quarters of the crews, including East India Company ships. The acts prohibited the colonies from exporting specific, enumerated, products to countries and colonies other than those British, and mandated that imports be sourced only through Britain.
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The total disparity in the manufacturing outputs of the metropole and its colonies would not have been possible without these restrictions, and it was only after a vast chasm had been established and industry in the colonies decimated that the policy switched to "free trade".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercantilism#Great_Britain

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ander-hamilton-history-biggest-protectionists
 
berbatrick said:


Britain used protectionism and the physical elimination of competition through violence to rise to preeminence.


The total disparity in the manufacturing outputs of the metropole and its colonies would not have been possible without these restrictions, and it was only after a vast chasm had been established and industry in the colonies decimated that the policy switched to "free trade".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercantilism#Great_Britain

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ander-hamilton-history-biggest-protectionists
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“the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do.”

(if you don’t recognize the quote, its author might surprise you...)
 
2cents said:
“the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do.”

(if you don’t recognize the quote, its author might surprise you...)
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i didnt, and i was.

i was half-expecting hitler, since this quote of his was for some reason in my notebooks alongside gandhi and nehru and churchill:
The idea of struggle is as old as life itself, for life is only preserved because other living things perish through struggle.... In this struggle, the stronger, the more able win, while the less able, the weak lose. Struggle is the father of all things. Only through struggle has man raised himself above the animal world. Even today it is not by the principles of humanity that man lives or is able to preserve himself above the animal world, but solely by means of the most brutal struggle.
 
berbatrick said:


Britain used protectionism and the physical elimination of competition through violence to rise to preeminence.


The total disparity in the manufacturing outputs of the metropole and its colonies would not have been possible without these restrictions, and it was only after a vast chasm had been established and industry in the colonies decimated that the policy switched to "free trade".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercantilism#Great_Britain

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ander-hamilton-history-biggest-protectionists
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fecking hell that's tone deaf. How ignorant to the effects of British colonialism do you have to be to openly flaunt that we used to be massive thieving wankers.
 
2cents said:
“the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do.”

(if you don’t recognize the quote, its author might surprise you...)
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That's a pretty useless quote, as far as quotes go. For me, a clear example that even very intelligent people can say very unintelligent things at times. Then the world latches on and repeats them ad nauseam.
 
2cents said:
“the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do.”

(if you don’t recognize the quote, its author might surprise you...)
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I would agree the 'winning' of recent centuries wasn't due to values or religion, but it was very much to do with ideas, the technological progress, industrial revolution and the naval development necessary to project it.
 
MadMike said:
That's a pretty useless quote, as far as quotes go. For me, a clear example that even very intelligent people can say very unintelligent things at times. Then the world latches on and repeats them ad nauseam.
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If its a useless quote, it must be pretty easy to debunk, right ?

So...........
711 said:
I would agree the 'winning' of recent centuries wasn't due to values or religion, but it was very much to do with ideas, the technological progress, industrial revolution and the naval development necessary to project it.
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Aren't all of these things a form of organised violence ?

Genuine question here.
 
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Sweet Square said:
If its a useless quote, it must be pretty easy to debunk, right ?
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Wrong. Debunking something means proving something false. Which is different to saying something is useless.

The history of humanity is a history of domination through organised violence. The statement that the Westerners forget this is while other's don't, is of course, unsubstantiated. And judging by the fact that Western nations have been the most militarised in the world in all modern history, suggests that no one intelligent in the echelons of power is either forgetting or ignoring that.

And it obviously leaves unanswered the real question. Which is, why do certain nations prosper financially and technologically (prerequisites for dominating through war/violence) and others don't?

Ultimately, the quote is not offering any useful insight or profound truth. Those who are amazed by it, are probably the same kind of people as those who's social media accounts are a just collection of "inspirational" quotes.
 
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711 said:
All of them? No. Whilst war is a big driver of innovation it is not the only one, many discoveries and inventions weren't connected to the military at all, quite likely most of them, at least initially.
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I was sort of viewing organised violence as more than the military, so the slave trade and colonialism were mass forms of organised violence or even industrialisation(Which in turn produces technological advancements) was a form of organised violence.


MadMike said:
Wrong. Debunking something means proving something false. Which is different to saying something is useless.
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MadMike said:
The history of humanity is a history of domination through organised violence. The statement that the Westerners forget this is while other's don't, is of course, unsubstantiated. And judging by the fact that Western nations have been the most militarised in the world in all modern history, suggests that no one intelligent in the echelons of power is either forgetting or ignoring that.
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MadMike said:
Ultimately, the quote is not offering any useful insight or profound truth. Those who are amazed by it, are probably the same kind of people as those who's social media accounts are a just collection of "inspirational" quotes.
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Firstly we are posting on a current events section on a football forum(both us have post counts in the thousands), the people who's social media accounts are just collection of "inspirational" quotes are far more better than us. We are somewhere between grandparents who spend all day on Qannon reddit and porn addicts.

But seriously the quote was used to reply to a video of a tory mp literally forgetting this history. No one was amazed by the quote or said it was a profound truth(Huntington clash of civilisations is a load of shite)but that it was somewhat interesting tit bit(Again considering the author its coming from).

Now go away scum.

The last part is a joke.
 
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MadMike said:
judging by the fact that Western nations have been the most militarised in the world in all modern history, suggests that no one intelligent in the echelons of power is either forgetting or ignoring that...Ultimately, the quote is not offering any useful insight or profound truth
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It’s most interesting for its author (who is a little bit misunderstood in some circles IMO), but nobody’s suggesting it’s mind-blowing stuff, it just helps to understand the collective sighs which greet such ahistorical nonsense as what Boris spouted from large chunks of the globe.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51149531

Conservative MP Mark Francois told BBC Radio 4's The World at One that the pro-Brexit Leave Means Leave campaign and Mr Banks had donated £50,000.

He queried whether the cost of getting the bell to ring again was really £500,000, adding that he believed officials had "deliberately inflated the figure" because "they don't want to do it".

"Don't tell me it takes two weeks to attach a clapper to a bell," he said.
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Francois really is one of those pricks who knows feck all yet assumes everyone else's job is as easy as his, isn't he?
 
Beneath contempt.
 
And so the narrative is continually reinforced. It's all the immigrants fault.
The elites let you down.

I'm fecking sick of this fecking shit. People wonder why Laurence Fox pisses other people off as he artlessly pontificates in front of this background of institutional demonising of the other.
 
This insistence on using the phrase "levelling up" by everyone in Boris' cabinet really boils my piss. Did they do some polling and find out that people like it or is Boris just trying to force a meme on us? Either way, blergh.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
This insistence on using the phrase "levelling up" by everyone in Boris' cabinet really boils my piss. Did they do some polling and find out that people like it or is Boris just trying to force a meme on us? Either way, blergh.
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Maybe it’s the new ‘out of touch’, which was the top phrase for ages and applied liberally everywhere
 
Smores said:
Seems to be the only sensible thing they've done to me. Still i can't help but feel this is a deliberate pantomime setup to make Boris look tough.
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I'm not sure. I think it's as straight forward as it seems. The US agenda is their struggle with China for global pre-eminence and we are simply pawns in that. The UK security agencies have given assurances that the threat can be managed and there's no viable alternative.
 
Adisa said:
Imagine if a Labour government was doing the same.
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He's basically done what Labour would've done as they were pretty much absent in the HOC yesterday but praised him for standing up to the US. If the boot was on the other foot then it would be spun against Labour for sure, that's politics. Boris has took some strong flak from senior Tories like IDS on it, however. It looks as though he's acted in the national interest all told though.

The implications for the magic trade deal are interesting. The UK government's own figures only forecast a 0.2% GDP increase from a comprehensive FTA with them and that would come at costs many would argue aren't worth paying. Hopefully this decision indicates that they're viewing that trade deal as it is in reality rather than simply as political optics in the wake of Brexit.
 
Adisa said:
Imagine if a Labour government was doing the same.
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I think if labour had won the election these decisions would have been less newsworthy
1. They said they would nationalise northern rail
2. Nobody was accusing them of doing whatever the usa wanted so the huawai decision would have been less of a surprise
3. Most of the news would probably be about Corbyn doing something like building re education camps for Jews and blairites or the members of the ehrc getting ice picks to the brain and the evidence dissapearing
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He's basically done what Labour would've done as they were pretty much absent in the HOC yesterday but praised him for standing up to the US. If the boot was on the other foot then it would be spun against Labour for sure, that's politics. Boris has took some strong flak from senior Tories like IDS on it, however. It looks as though he's acted in the national interest all told though.

The implications for the magic trade deal are interesting. The UK government's own figures only forecast a 0.2% GDP increase from a comprehensive FTA with them and that would come at costs many would argue aren't worth paying. Hopefully this decision indicates that they're viewing that trade deal as it is in reality rather than simply as political optics in the wake of Brexit.
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I was talking about the nationalization of Northern Rail.
sun_tzu said:
I think if labour had won the election these decisions would have been less newsworthy
1. They said they would nationalise northern rail
2. Nobody was accusing them of doing whatever the usa wanted so the huawai decision would have been less of a surprise
3. Most of the news would probably be about Corbyn doing something like building re education camps for Jews and blairites or the members of the ehrc getting ice picks to the brain and the evidence dissapearing
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No doubt it would seen as a slippery slope towards Socialism.
 
esmufc07 said:
Awful story.

Errol Graham death: Nottingham man starved after benefits stopped https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-51283186
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Agree. Awful story.

But where were his family instead of shouting out loud after this poor man's death

Graham’s family this week blamed the Department for Work and Pensions for his death in June 2018, saying it should not have cut off the financial lifeline of a man it knew to be highly vulnerable. “He would still be alive. He’d be ill but he’d still be alive,” said his daughter-in-law Alison Turner.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...arved-to-death-after-dwp-stopped-his-benefits
 
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