Westminster Politics

I'd love to know the thought process of the 5% of voters for the UK Independence Party who voted against independence.

potential bad brexit deals. i couldn’t bring myself to vote for a version of brexit where the uk wasn’t raised 50m out of the sea, to create a natural deterrent to small boat crossings. no one committed to having defence towers built every 150m along the coast line, manned by 5 well trained snipers. no one wanted to spend money on an air filtration system to cover england to ensure smelly foreign breath didn’t leak into our borders from other countries. it was not my brexit.
 
Because it's a silly position for people to take that remembrance of the innocents who died in the wars of the last century should take higher priority than protesting - whether it'll ultimately be in vain or not - in the hope that it may prevent people dying in war today.

With the greatest respect, I don't think those who died last weekend in Gaza will have preferred that people held off the protest till a week next Tuesday, or whichever day you think is more acceptable.

The really silly thing is even treating it as a question of which is more important. Because it's perfectly possible to have both at the same time, without one getting in the way of the other.
 
In my naivety I assumed this was a parody, but nope.



Dear God in heaven, surely the British electorate has enough of actual common sense that they can do nothing other than laugh at this.

Just imagine having to go around in the world introducing yourself as Minister for Common Sense. Same line of work as Remembering-to-put-your-pants-on consultant or Special Advisor for Remembering to Eat Your Broccoli.

Just shows the depths of idiocy to which the whole culture war nonsense has plunged the Tory party - it's beyond any reason, and far, far out of any grip on reality.
 
Takes me back to those halcyon days of John Major's cone hotlline.

What came first, the Conservative or the idiot?
 
While we are still waiting for a dentist appointment, I understand that the new Health Secretary (no idea of her name) husband is chairman of one of the biggest sugar companies in the world. Just saying.
 
Well, whether you like it or not the basic mechanism here is that certain people (and I'm not saying that's you) are trying to use the attachment to armistice day to counter a completely unrelated case they don't like (protest over Gaza), by spuriously making out that the latter is an insult to the former. That's the weaponising. I don't see how that's reasonable. Apparently, the protest even included an observation of silence. It doesn't seem reasonable to me that marking the armistice should require all other urgent things to be put on hold, as if everything happening today is just sordid, petty squabbles by comparison.

I am sure there were/are people trying to link the protest about a ceasefire in Gaza to armistice, by presenting it as an insult to both armistice and remembrance , this being in order to stir up a counter protest (which didn't work anyway because only the 'nut jobs showed up').
However, that was in part my point, to defuse or debunk such linkages if the protest on that one day of armistice, had been in the form of a silent vigil without chants and placards etc., maybe just photographs of the devastation in Gaza, that would have gone down better with the British public and could well have caught the attention and understanding of those who, shall we say... 'don't watch the news'.

I honestly don't know whether such a vigil would have helped or not, and I have accepted in other posts that generally in the UK as we get further and further away in time from the original reason for the Armistice day events which was to remind people of the devastation and millions of dead at the end of WW1 (other wars and battles were added later after WW2) then the percentage of the public who can recall the events of nearly a hundred years ago diminishes rapidly, and even those of us who still remember the mood in the UK in the past on both Armistice and Remembrance Sunday, we are also falling by the wayside as time passes. This is in my opinion regrettable, but also completely understandable, my age group cannot expect those younger than us to live in our past, they have a past of their own to make.

I do hope a solution can be found which stops the current bloodshed, for both sides. However, being in my late 70's, and for most of my life I can recall this problem of finding a way of co-existence between a recognised State of Israel and the formation of a proper recognised State of Palestine has been playing out. I do fear with recent events the 'end game' has now begun and nobody knows how to stop it, if others do get involved on the ground, the whole world will gradually get drawn in and yet another WW conflict will begin.
 
As others have said, he’s not speaking about you, and the stats don’t lie about, in this example, the Brexit vote. You are in the statistical minority.

Stats always show ‘that generation’ are more likely to vote Conservative and are small c conservative about many of the issues of the world right now.

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Even the graph looks like a load of tie-fighters
 
The irony of that cnut talking about threats to "community cohesion" after all the shit she has spouted to cause division & promote hate.
 
Probably enough to send her to jail.
Nowadays in England, if you attempt to start your own personal campaign to become the leader of the Tory party etc...
 
One thing is clear, on losing the next election, the Tories will shift further to the right. And by default, so will labour.
This country is fecked beyond measure.
 
Suffolk MP Therese Coffey says she nearly died due to stress

During a frank interview, Ms Coffey told BBC Radio Suffolk: "I was in hospital for a month with some of the stresses that happen with ministerial life.

"A few years ago I certainly worked myself into the ground somewhat, but I learned a lot from that incident and that's why I've always had a joy about life."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-67415285

This would be around the same time she was demonising citizens, staff and being a general cnut whilst secretary of state for work and pensions, right??
 
This would be around the same time she was demonising citizens, staff and being a general cnut whilst secretary of state for work and pensions, right??

Yeah, it was definitely the stress what done it!

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It's mad that the biggest determining factor in how Britain has been governed for 10 years has basically been Tory infighting.