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Wes Streeting says NHS uses winter crisis as excuse to ask for more money
Shadow minister tells health service ‘money is tight’ and that it must provide better value for taxpayers

The shadow health secretary has accused the NHS of using every winter crisis and challenge it faces as an excuse to ask for more money.

Speaking on a visit to Singapore, Wes Streeting said the health service needs to accept “money is tight”, and that it must rethink how the care it provides could provide better value for money for the taxpayer.

“I think people working in the NHS and the patients using the NHS can see examples of waste and inefficiency,” he told the Sunday Times. “I don’t think it’s good enough that the NHS uses every winter crisis and every challenge it faces as an excuse to ask for more money.”

He added: “The NHS is going to have to get used to the fact that money is tight and it’s going to have to get used to switching spend, and rethinking where and how care is delivered to deliver better outcomes for patients and better value for taxpayers’ money. At the moment, I think we get the worst of all worlds, which is poor outcomes alongside poor value for taxpayers.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...s-uses-winter-crisis-excuse-more-money-labour

I mean, is it even a surprise any more?
 
Frosty said:
Wes Streeting says NHS uses winter crisis as excuse to ask for more money
Shadow minister tells health service ‘money is tight’ and that it must provide better value for taxpayers

The shadow health secretary has accused the NHS of using every winter crisis and challenge it faces as an excuse to ask for more money.

Speaking on a visit to Singapore, Wes Streeting said the health service needs to accept “money is tight”, and that it must rethink how the care it provides could provide better value for money for the taxpayer.

“I think people working in the NHS and the patients using the NHS can see examples of waste and inefficiency,” he told the Sunday Times. “I don’t think it’s good enough that the NHS uses every winter crisis and every challenge it faces as an excuse to ask for more money.”

He added: “The NHS is going to have to get used to the fact that money is tight and it’s going to have to get used to switching spend, and rethinking where and how care is delivered to deliver better outcomes for patients and better value for taxpayers’ money. At the moment, I think we get the worst of all worlds, which is poor outcomes alongside poor value for taxpayers.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...s-uses-winter-crisis-excuse-more-money-labour

I mean, is it even a surprise any more?
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Whats the matter? He is saying very smart things. To get more value from the money given? Who would have thought that it could be done? All these years wasting money. Very smart
 
Frosty said:
Wes Streeting says NHS uses winter crisis as excuse to ask for more money
Shadow minister tells health service ‘money is tight’ and that it must provide better value for taxpayers

The shadow health secretary has accused the NHS of using every winter crisis and challenge it faces as an excuse to ask for more money.

Speaking on a visit to Singapore, Wes Streeting said the health service needs to accept “money is tight”, and that it must rethink how the care it provides could provide better value for money for the taxpayer.

“I think people working in the NHS and the patients using the NHS can see examples of waste and inefficiency,” he told the Sunday Times. “I don’t think it’s good enough that the NHS uses every winter crisis and every challenge it faces as an excuse to ask for more money.”

He added: “The NHS is going to have to get used to the fact that money is tight and it’s going to have to get used to switching spend, and rethinking where and how care is delivered to deliver better outcomes for patients and better value for taxpayers’ money. At the moment, I think we get the worst of all worlds, which is poor outcomes alongside poor value for taxpayers.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...s-uses-winter-crisis-excuse-more-money-labour

I mean, is it even a surprise any more?
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I think if you read the full interview what he says is fine (if maybe easier said than done). So many areas need rebuilding after 13 years of Tory misrule there won't be much money around.
I normally think the guy sounds like a petulant bell too.
 
Frosty said:
Wes Streeting says NHS uses winter crisis as excuse to ask for more money
Shadow minister tells health service ‘money is tight’ and that it must provide better value for taxpayers

The shadow health secretary has accused the NHS of using every winter crisis and challenge it faces as an excuse to ask for more money.

Speaking on a visit to Singapore, Wes Streeting said the health service needs to accept “money is tight”, and that it must rethink how the care it provides could provide better value for money for the taxpayer.

“I think people working in the NHS and the patients using the NHS can see examples of waste and inefficiency,” he told the Sunday Times. “I don’t think it’s good enough that the NHS uses every winter crisis and every challenge it faces as an excuse to ask for more money.”

He added: “The NHS is going to have to get used to the fact that money is tight and it’s going to have to get used to switching spend, and rethinking where and how care is delivered to deliver better outcomes for patients and better value for taxpayers’ money. At the moment, I think we get the worst of all worlds, which is poor outcomes alongside poor value for taxpayers.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...s-uses-winter-crisis-excuse-more-money-labour

I mean, is it even a surprise any more?
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Getting the excuses in early.

Labour is full of useless cnuts. I wouldn't trust Wes Streeting running tuck shop, let alone the NHS. At least he might give it a go rather than a Tory intentionally sabotaging it. What choices we have!
 
T00lsh3d said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...et-to-be-most-unequal-in-60-years-study-finds

Thought this was interesting. We always ask ourselves the question - how did we get ourselves into this mess (as a country)?

Is the situation partly, the winners are more determined to stay winners than the losers are to stop being made losers?
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It's been happening worldwide for decades.

Rising inequality and declining labor share of income: Reversal under tight labor markets? For decades, inequality rose and the labor share of income declined.7 This has reduced consumption by channeling a disproportionate share of value creation to the wealthy, who tend to save more than the population overall.8 Rising saving by the wealthy has bid up prices for assets, particularly those with expected higher returns. At the same time, corporate earnings have grown rapidly, particularly in the United States, driving equity valuations and thus balance sheet growth further.
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https://www.mckinsey.com/mgi/overvi...-and-growth-hangs-in-the-balance#paper-wealth
 
Sweet Square said:
If they feck this up it will be very funny

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I genuinely don't understand how Scotland can still be so pro SNP when they've fecked so much up.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I genuinely don't understand how Scotland can still be so pro SNP when they've fecked so much up.
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What's the alternative though? If I was Scottish a bad Scottish party would still be better than another English stooge.
 
Smores said:
What's the alternative though? If I was Scottish a bad Scottish party would still be better than another English stooge.
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Call me crazy but I'm ready to roll the dice with Labour again, but that might be because I used to vote for them as well. After the ferry gaffes, motorhomegate (or whatever the feck it was called) and seeing first hand how our education system has been destroyed I'm pretty much done.
 
Sweet Square said:
If they feck this up it will be very funny

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I know FPTP gets a lot of stick from the attacking the Tories side (rightly) but it is also so ridiculous and such a failure of the system that the Greens could get more than double the number of SNP votes and get 1/27 of the representation.
 
I would recommend we listen to Rory Stewart’s comments on parliament. We are governed by the lowest denominator of our society. These people couldn’t run a tap. They are not serious people.
 
Adisa said:
I would recommend we listen to Rory Stewart’s comments on parliament. We are governed by the lowest denominator of our society. These people couldn’t run a tap. They are not serious people.
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Well he should know. Very perceptive and highly intelligent man.
 
T00lsh3d said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...et-to-be-most-unequal-in-60-years-study-finds

Thought this was interesting. We always ask ourselves the question - how did we get ourselves into this mess (as a country)?

Is the situation partly, the winners are more determined to stay winners than the losers are to stop being made losers?
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How we got into this mess as a country is pretty obvious. We were continually lied to by the biggest compulsive liar of them all... Boris. And the gullible swallowed his lies Hook Line And Sinker.
Edit.
And Labour were simply not electable as a party and with a leader like Corbyn.
 
africanspur said:
I know FPTP gets a lot of stick from the attacking the Tories side (rightly) but it is also so ridiculous and such a failure of the system that the Greens could get more than double the number of SNP votes and get 1/27 of the representation.
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That's an outlier one though, SNP only runs in Scotland. Way more votes per constituency.
 
altodevil said:
That's an outlier one though, SNP only runs in Scotland. Way more votes per constituency.
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Well the votes per constituency thing is kind of the whole point.

If the SNP comparison bothers you, you can use the lib dems instead. Potentially 4% more votes only but with 29 times the representation.
 
africanspur said:
Well the votes per constituency thing is kind of the whole point.

If the SNP comparison bothers you, you can use the lib dems instead. Potentially 4% more votes only but with 29 times the representation.
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Why are you explaining this to me? Do you think this is a new phenomena?
 
altodevil said:
Why are you explaining this to me? Do you think this is a new phenomena?
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What a weird escalatory response. I made a post on the thread, talking about how ridiculous FPTP is from different angles.

You made the choice to reply, telling me Scotland is a special case. I then used another national party instead.

At no point did I say this was a new phenomenon or try to explain a system to you or anyone else for that matter?

If my posts for whatever reason bother you that much, please feel free to put me on ignore.
 
Tory rebels holding a press conference. This is theatre. These people don’t take the issue of governance seriously.

This tweet encapsulates British politics and how we are moving more and more to the right.
 
Adisa said:
Tory rebels holding a press conference. This is theatre. These people don’t take the issue of governance seriously.

This tweet encapsulates British politics and how we are moving more and more to the right.
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The Tories will wave the vote through. No way they would vote against it as it would probably be the death knell of the Tory party
 
Adisa said:
Tory rebels holding a press conference. This is theatre. These people don’t take the issue of governance seriously.

This tweet encapsulates British politics and how we are moving more and more to the right.
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Even if they wanted to be serious they couldn't because a) their ideas are bad for 99% of people and b) they are the dregs of a party that Cameron and Boris trashed. I won't put it on the other worthless PMs we've had in the last 13 years because Truss is just the hubris in Boris' arsehole animated as a person and May and Sunak are just weak character actors playing the devil in a terrible modern pantomime.
 
Tory MPs being summoned by the headmaster for a well earned flogging for having the audacity to think that his Rwanda policy is going to fail.
 
TwoSheds said:
Even if they wanted to be serious they couldn't because a) their ideas are bad for 99% of people and b) they are the dregs of a party that Cameron and Boris trashed. I won't put it on the other worthless PMs we've had in the last 13 years because Truss is just the hubris in Boris' arsehole animated as a person and May and Sunak are just weak character actors playing the devil in a terrible modern pantomime.
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Well put.
Sunak is hilarious when he tries to sound like he is strong. All he does is raises his voice and repeats himself again and again.
 
Just listening to a very informative discussion on Radio 5live. First from a man who has recently worked in Rwanda and the DRC. And he is absolutely adamant that Rwanda is not by any stretch of the imagination a safe country.

And it has been pointed out that our government has already committed close to £300m with another £700m allocated to the Rwanda plan. £1bn it is costing.
And the maximum number of immigrants Rwanda can process each year....500 maximum.

So. To put this into perspective. In 2022 there were 745,000 immigrants coming into the UK.
And all the narrative from the government is about the possibility of sending a maximum of 500/year to Rwanda!!!
All for the tidy sum of £1,000,000 of your and my money.
Fantastic eh.
 
Buster15 said:
So. To put this into perspective. In 2022 there were 745,000 immigrants coming into the UK.
And all the narrative from the government is about the possibility of sending a maximum of 500/year to Rwanda!!!
All for the tidy sum of £1,000,000 of your and my money.
Fantastic eh.
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Yes, the fact is its going to cost millions either way on immigration control, no one seems to have any real idea how to do it with out incurring large costs, or completely capitulating, or in particular, risk breaking international asylum law.

However much there is a need for proper control, the Rwanda scheme is just daft and expensive to boot and won't have much impact, even if it was successful.

The simple fact is the country needs a new and properly planned immigration approach, with a system that meets not just existing needs, but the increase in demand that will occur over the next half century, due to climate issues. However, until Politicians are seen to be doing something about the 'queue jumping', whether via small boats or via other people smuggling schemes, no 'political' capital will be expended or indeed risked, because it's not the thing people care about most.
However, enough people are enraged by the lack of control, that or they don't understand the realities of the situation, to make a difference at the next GE. Hence that is the 'thin thread' the Tories are hanging onto and backing, in order to try to stop them being annihilated at the next GE.
 
Buster15 said:
Just listening to a very informative discussion on Radio 5live. First from a man who has recently worked in Rwanda and the DRC. And he is absolutely adamant that Rwanda is not by any stretch of the imagination a safe country.

And it has been pointed out that our government has already committed close to £300m with another £700m allocated to the Rwanda plan. £1bn it is costing.
And the maximum number of immigrants Rwanda can process each year....500 maximum.

So. To put this into perspective. In 2022 there were 745,000 immigrants coming into the UK.
And all the narrative from the government is about the possibility of sending a maximum of 500/year to Rwanda!!!
All for the tidy sum of £1,000,000 of your and my money.
Fantastic eh.
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This is mind boggling
 
An asylum seeker on board the Bibby Stockholm barge, which houses migrants off Dorset, has died.

Several sources have told the BBC that the man who died is thought to have taken his own life.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67692099

This is fecking awful. RIP to the human being that our government treated as anything but.
 
Maticmaker said:
Yes, the fact is its going to cost millions either way on immigration control, no one seems to have any real idea how to do it with out incurring large costs, or completely capitulating, or in particular, risk breaking international asylum law.

However much there is a need for proper control, the Rwanda scheme is just daft and expensive to boot and won't have much impact, even if it was successful.

The simple fact is the country needs a new and properly planned immigration approach, with a system that meets not just existing needs, but the increase in demand that will occur over the next half century, due to climate issues. However, until Politicians are seen to be doing something about the 'queue jumping', whether via small boats or via other people smuggling schemes, no 'political' capital will be expended or indeed risked, because it's not the thing people care about most.
However, enough people are enraged by the lack of control, that or they don't understand the realities of the situation, to make a difference at the next GE. Hence that is the 'thin thread' the Tories are hanging onto and backing, in order to try to stop them being annihilated at the next GE.
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The vast majority of the histeria surrounding immigration is being spun by Sunak.
He decided to have Stop The Boats as one of his 5 committments.
Not stop immigration but specifically stop the boats. Because he knew very well what time total immigration number was going to be - 745,000.

The Rwanda plan is as you rightly say just plain daft.
He may well win his vote today in the HoC. But the HoL are not going to be bribed by a salmon breakfast. It is full of learned judges.
Furthermore, a number of MPs have said they will vote for the Rwanda plan on the basis they don't want a leadership contest. Others have said publicly that they will vote for it knowing that the plan is never going to work.

What a wonderful government.
 
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