Smuggled. Before Brexit they used to try to get into lorries but as the lorries are supposed to be checked now (little do they know that the UK still haven't really started checking). In cars in lorries all different methods, I presume. They could come across the Med, lots of different ways. Some want to go to the UK because of different reasons, language, family, whatever. If British embassies would accept them in any safe country this would solve a great deal. France offered to let the British set up a centre for processing in Calais. The British government refused. Britain take very few in comparison with other European countries but the government use them as a weapon.
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Smuggled. Before Brexit they used to try to get into lorries but as the lorries are supposed to be checked now (little do they know that the UK still haven't really started checking). In cars in lorries all different methods, I presume. They could come across the Med, lots of different ways. Some want to go to the UK because of different reasons, language, family, whatever. If British embassies would accept them in any safe country this would solve a great deal. France offered to let the British set up a centre for processing in Calais. The British government refused. Britain take very few in comparison with other European countries but the government use them as a weapon.
What are you talking about? You have to show a form of identification ALWAYS to leave a country and if it is outside the EU if you are in the EU, has to be a passport (I guess exceptions within other organizations like the EU passport is not needed)
Not strictly related to the asylum discussion but that passport check is not because of immigration controls on leaving a country, its because the airlines dont want to get fined if they deliver you to a country's border without the proper paperwork.
And that is why you need the passport. It doesn't mean that the government requires. But try to fly without a passport to a foreign country and you will find out quickly enough. Or visa, or ESTA, etc... if required
I understand that.
A lot is made of inherited wealth.
My point is that the people who had that so called wealth would have paid tax at whatever rate was required during their lives.
And having paid taxes that were due, it would be up to them what they chose to do with their money.
And if most of their so called wealth was in their house, then they would have paid Council Tax for it.
And those who inherited that money would have had to pay IHT should it be due
And in the case of a house or houses being the subject of the inheritance and were then sold for whatever reason, CGT would have been due.
So my point is that after we have been taxed and taxed and taxed, it is up to the individual to decide what they want to do with their money.
You are full of sh1t. I travelled today from Calais to Folkestone. Had to show my passport to French Passport control and UK passport control on French side.
You probably looked a bit dodgy
Me and everyone else coming through at the same time?
I's been known
But that's my point. You might have been taxed and taxed and taxed. But the Duke of Westminster hasn't. And he is probably (literally) 10,000 times richer than you. Which is proof he hasn't been taxed and taxed and taxed.
From what I gathered, they’re just not going to renew the service contracts. The rail providers are terrible anyway. Nothing more than a middle man taking profits.
The Tories were looking at a conceesion arrangement, but I think that has been scrapped
Like I said, you are full of sh1t. You could, of course, retract your earlier position with a mea culpa, but you choosing to keep going. You do realise people can read your responses?
I don't know you.
You do not know me
You do not know anything about me, but I can assure you I have entered this country, and others without having to show a passport going through border control
Just take a moment from your busy life, and consider who would be able to do that?
Does what? Pay his fair share of taxes? How do you explain the fact he's a multi-billionaire? If he pays 6% every 10 years that means he only needs to earn a profit of 0.75% above inflation every year on his assets in order to break even. Does that sound difficult for a multi-billionaire to you?
It's not his fault he came from a different pair of legs to you.
Like you he pays tax
I'm not saying I agree with it, but as the law stands he pays whats due, which is totally different to your original claim that he pays none.
If you want to direct your anger of tax evasion, it would be better directed toward off shore corporations like Amazon, who last year got a tax rebate
I didn't say he pays none, I said he doesn't pay his fair share, I couldn't give a feck what the rules are. I'd happily slag off Amazon too but that would have feck all to do with inheritance tax tbf because Amazon isn't a person.
In case you were wondering, in the last 20 years, the FTSE has increased on average by about 2.8% above inflation annually. So his not paying inheritance tax up front would earn him more than 2% a year on average just by sticking it in a tracker and doing nothing. 2% per year is about £20m for him. And he probably earns far more than that in reality because he's rich.
Since the UK left the EU , if you leave or enter the EU you should have your British passport stamped to prove that you have not overstayed your 90 day out of 180 day visa
In October the new EES is due to be put in place , it's been delayed one year already, so that the data of anyone entering or exiting the Schengen area is put in the system. The first time when it is put into place you will be fingerprinted and photographed and your data will be put into the system. This lasts 3 years and then has to be renewed.
The FTSE is open to anyone to speculate on it, many people do without knowing, if you have a pension or insurance policy then any profits on it are most likely made from investments on the FTSE.
You can also invest directly by buying shares, it's open to all.
The more money you have, the better the people you can pay to tell you how to avoid paying taxes and finding loopholes, again it's open to all
Your beef to me appears to be that he is rich and you are not, a situation you can change, my son makes 25k a year investing in crypto, you could too.................so why don;t you?
The Duke of Westminster has done nothing illegal, speking as some one who has lost his father, I can almost guarantee he would pay whatever he could in taxes, if it would bring his father back.
I run a business, my accountant tells me how to avoid paying tax, points out all the loopholes, I don;t pay any income tax, my business has never paid corporation tax, I get a VAT rebate almost every quarter.
Just like the Duke of Westminster I pay my profits into a trust for my sons and their children, so they wont pay inheritance tax when I go
So I guess you dislike me too
Yeah you sound like a complete cockwomble tbf. Maybe you're a lovely chap though. Either way you don't pay your fair share and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Cockwomble ...really?
I paid my fair share for many years.
Then I found when I reached retirement age I couldn't afford it, I had to carry on working, so I started my own business, my son put me in touch with his accountant.
If it were not for him, I would be at home every day living on a pension and drawing exra benefits, what is better for me and the country, avoiding a bit of tax, or being a burden by drawing more benefits?
Well, if you did this congratulations but you are a special case (whichever). Normal situations for normal people requires to show the passport at border controls.
So if you have/had a special treatment for whichever reason, don't be disingenuous commenting like it is the norm. 99.9% of the people has to do it. Any exception doesn't worth discussion if we are discussing the norm
I aapologise for any offence
So your business earns you enough to be able to put wealth away for your son in a trust but not enough to be able to pay tax...
Definite Maticmaker alt login.
Not offence, you are not honest, so that is what is telling of who you are
Depends on the country, it is for some people from some countries.
On the wider point about legal routes being set up. What would happen to the people being turned down through those legal routes ?
I get your argument but it is missing that point isn't it?
Unless you are saying the UK sets up legal routes and anyone can apply but if the UK declines them then France takes responsibility for those people in France who are declined by the UK. What would be the likelihood of France being prepared to do that?
Exactly...
There's nothing wrong with tax avoidance and there are multiple government schemes to do it, eg ISAs, pensions, charitable giving etc...
That is a fair point.
I was referring to the average working class individual.
But yes. There is huge inequality.
He looks genuinely perplexed. On a par with Raab not realising Britain is an island.Depends how much tax you pay and how rich you are really. For the duke of Westminster it's wrong. For Amazon it's wrong. For you, maybe.
Legally doesn't make it right. Specially when the legality is lobbied to favour the rich. And tax avoidance, as much as is legal, it goes against the spirit of the law that is written for tax planning like the examples that you mentioned
Rich and corporations abuse the system and loopholes and often times they create these loopholes. Is legal but is damn wrong. Why I have to pay 15-20% a year while Musk paid In 2015, $68,000 in federal income tax. In 2017, it was $65,000, and in 2018 he paid no federal income tax.
Is beyond ridiculous
Tax avoidance is exploiting rules not intended for those purposes to pay less tax and is investigated by HMRC. It is nothing like ISA’s or pensions. The abuse of non dom status is tax avoidance.
feck sake. This isn't even funny anymore, it's sickening that these morons can vote for something like the Rwanda bill when they have absolutely no bloody clue about anything.
But they are. When the camps were closed down they were transferred to refugee centres throughout France but as some of these people want to go to the UK they leave the refugee centres and set off for Calais again.
I'm not talking just about France , I'm talking worldwide.
If they were not eligible to enter the UK then they should be treated the same as anyone else who has been refused asylum. The Uk don't want the refugees and want the rest of Europe to look after them despite the low numbers the UK take in.
That 'Brexit' has a lot to answer for!!!
Because of Brexit the UK left the Dublin Agreement. Non-stop cutting their nose off to spite their face.