Berbatov | Fulham player

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thats without even considering welbeck, macheda and owen
 
The fact of the matter is it's immaterial, he's not going. Yes, we could gain 20 million from a player who is over 30, it's a high figure, but then for what? If Berbatov had a shit season, and looked in decline, an argument could be put forward, decent money for a player on the way out. But that's clearly not the case. He was our top scorer, and one of our most consistent players in a time where we needed it most, alongside Nani. During that period, we couldn't rely on other strikers, Rooney was in awful form, and this was a season ago, not a decade. The season ended with Rooney being in outstanding form, and Hernandez accompanying him, to Fergie's own words of how the lad has had a freakish season and couldn't be dropped because of it. That's not to say Berbatov turned shit, but that another player was in better form, akin to Nani and Valencia at the time, substitute Nani's slow recovery from the horror tackle with Berbatov's lack of starts, you see a reason for their lapse. Not to mention taking on the brunt of responsibility in the first half of the season, where they were clear leaders.

Now what's to say we have the same partnership this season from Rooney and Hernandez? It's certainly not guaranteed, as much of a unbelievable success our little Mexican has been, he's been here a season, he's not ready to displace a player of Berbatov's calibre, not for a season. What's to say one of them don't suffer an injury? Or that they can maintain fitness being the two main strikers, something which neither of them did last season, none of our strikers did. You need rotation, further more, you need experience in that rotation. Owen's age and fitness hinder him at this point, as good as he is off the bench, there is a reason we weren't looking to him last season during Rooney's off period. He doesn't have the stamina. Leaving young Welbeck, who had a fantastic season on loan, and has looked even better at pre-season. It's completely ridiculous to say that Welbeck is at a level akin to Berbatovs, ability and consistency wise, but also his experience in football at this level, and with our current team. I have very high hopes for Danny, but he's still got to feel his way into the team, rather than assume a position of our last top scorer.

The point is, we don't have the quality left to replace Berbatov, and with a season like last, which showed we needed four top strikers, looking to get rid of one of the more prominent ones just doesn't make sense. We could do with 20 million, who couldn't, but we don't need it. We wouldn't have listed him, and we've categorically stated he won't be going anywhere, citing his last season and current influence in the team as reasons not too. Arguing that 20 million for him at 30 is irrelevant. Footballers peaks have extended, we know this, furthermore Berbatov's physical exertion, his style of play and role suggest to me he could play comfortably at this level for at least two more seasons. If not, let's just say the one, despite his quality and presence increasing as time as gone on. One more season, with an input like the prior, is worth more than 20 million, especially when we don't need that money, it's not going towards a deadline debt, or to fund another player, so in essence it's security money in the belief that Berbatov will not be able to offer us anything in the future. That goes against the statement released by the club today, by the statements from the manager, by the statements from the player and what we've all witnessed, he is not in decline, and as long as we extend his contract, his input will be there on offer.

Great post Hectic
 
I doubt Berba will ever fit in at United. He just has a different style to ours and they won't match unless we change the way we play for him - which we won't. He's got a lovely style, but I prefer Hernandez with his pace and running of the ball, because those sort of things will help the team even if he has a bad day. If Berba has a bad day, he doesn't have that much to contribute.

Overall, I'd be tempted to sell if we get a good offer. However, it will still be difficult because I think we need that extra striker and can't quite rely on Owen and Welbeck too much. I can't see us signing another striker if we sell Berbatov, so I'd rather keep him and we'll see where we're at in a year's time. Hopefully Welbeck has proven himself by then.
 
I didn't know Cameron & Clegg wanted to sell Berba?
Didn't you know? They're so anti-Berba they'd make Randall blush! ;)

Seriously though -- in my opinion, those of you who're arguing for a sale are overlooking the fact that a player like Berbatov being willing to be rotated and play whatever role the manager decides is almost priceless.
 
Of course it would be weakening our squad, how can it be argued otherwise?

Depends if any potential sale was to finance another transfer such as the proposed move for Sneijder.

I don't think it would weaken United at all if that exchange took place. We still have plenty of cover upfront and the move for such a player would inevitably since a return to 4-3-3 more often. With the midfield stronger we would go into the new season looking stronger than we have since selling Ronaldo with the other transfers and the loaness returning.

Selling Berbatov just because we have received a very good offer without reinvesting in the squad would undeniably weaken it mind you and leave us no stronger than last season, and arguably weaker.
 
Seriously though -- in my opinion, those of you who're arguing for a sale are overlooking the fact that a player like Berbatov being willing to be rotated and play whatever role the manager decides is almost priceless.

Have to agree - average players who are happy to sit out are a valuable asset but top quality players that are happy to sit out are gold dust.

That said - 'Up front' isn't quite the same at the moment as midfield.

If loosing him (even for a massive loss) was the difference between Sneijder or no Sniejder then I'd happily see him go.
 
Right. The imminent arrival of Sneijder would be the only reason to let Berbatov go.
 
Berbatov hasn't scored a goal in Europe for 2 seasons. No goals in his last 13 CL matches. PSG play in the Europa League this season so this would be a great move for the moody one.
 
Goals are goals, no matter where and when.

But it's worth considering he did score 11 of his 20 goals over 3 matches, that leaves only 9 goals spread over say 30 matches.

I'm not sure what I'd do (if I was the manager), but if there is an £18m offer on the table I'd be tempted, very tempted.

And if Dans' CL-statistic for Berba is correct it's downright shocking for a striker.

Welbeck can get the no 9.
 
Of course it would be weakening our squad, how can it be argued otherwise?

Surely that depends on whether the money gained by his possible sale were to be reinvested in weaker areas of the squad. For instance say we sold Berba for the reported £20m and then bought in De Rossi or Banega as well as Sneijder.

We may be slightly weakened in attack, but the strength we would gain in our weakest area would more than balance that out.

We would still have Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck, Macheda, Diouf and Owen.
But in midfield (all hypothetical of course) Cleverley, Carrick, Park, Giggs, Fletcher, Sneijder and one from Banega/De Rossi. 2 signings in this area would make a significant difference to the overall effectiveness of the team, offering numerous attributes we currently lack.

Imo tat would be potentially much more beneficial to the squad, than keeping Berba who is neither a guaranteed starter or a reliably consistent performer.
 
Goals are goals, no matter where and when.

But it's worth considering he did score 11 of his 20 goals over 3 matches, that leaves only 9 goals spread over say 30 matches.

I'm not sure what I'd do (if I was the manager), but if there is an £18m offer on the table I'd be tempted, very tempted.

And if Dans' CL-statistic for Berba is correct it's downright shocking for a striker.

Welbeck can get the no 9.

It's also worth considering that he scored more winners than anyone else in the league.
 
It's also worth considering that he scored more winners than anyone else in the league.

And, of course, a winner is a winner regardless of whether it was against West Brom, Wolves, Birmingham, Blackburn or perhaps a team that we might have a harder time beating....
 
Didn't you know? They're so anti-Berba they'd make Randall blush! ;)

tee hee, believe it or not I am not anti Berbatov.

In saying that I believe it would be in the interest for him and the club to move on this summer.

If the speculation is correct and PSG offer £15m + I would take the money and run.

I think next season if he stays Fergie will even give Michael Owen more run outs.

I am convinced Fergie doesnt see a place for him at our club.
 
Not sure where you're going with this. You think Liverpool have been an easy side for us to beat these last few seasons?

I would have thought you could have found a more appropriate example. I guess, actually, you can't though.
 
tee hee, believe it or not I am not anti Berbatov.

In saying that I believe it would be in the interest for him and the club to move on this summer.

If the speculation is correct and PSG offer £15m + I would take the money and run.

I think next season if he stays Fergie will even give Michael Owen more run outs.

I am convinced Fergie doesnt see a place for him at our club.

It's an emphatic "not" as far as I'm concerned.
 
He hasn't scored in Europe since 2008. I don't mean to be rude because he can, score, but thats more then a bit of a joke. Sure he doesn't get many games, but he could have atleast got one against Shalke last year.

Fair enough, that record is atrocious for somebody of Berba's unique quality.

I hope he gets the chance to rectify it this season.
 
I would have thought you could have found a more appropriate example. I guess, actually, you can't though.

A more appropriate example than the only team, bar Chelsea, to beat us in the league in each of the last three seasons? Yeah, you'd be waiting a while for that.
 
I see the anti-Berba brigade have been let out

Its amazing to see how a player can divide fans. I really, really doubt there is much Berba can do besides attaining messi/ronaldo levels to sway the haters.

If he has the red shirt on his back, then he has my support. full stop.

edit: For the record, not sure if ive made my opinion on him clear that I think he is a wonderful talent that may not be best suited for our style of play. He oozes class but isnt as clinical as with some of the chances he gets. That being said Im not sure where the hate comes from..perhaps the price tag or his percieved lethargy?
 
Well his price tag was something he had no control over , and as for his languorous style of play, we knew we weren't getting the duracell bunny.

He had a great season last year, we wouldn't have won the league without him and he scored a brilliant hat trick against our most hated rivals. He also professes his love for the team on any occasion he can.

Not sure what else he can do to win us all over tbh
 
Well his price tag was something he had no control over , and as for his languorous style of play, we knew we weren't getting the duracell bunny.

He had a great season last year, we wouldn't have won the league without him and he scored a brilliant hat trick against our most hated rivals. He also professes his love for the team on any occasion he can.

Not sure what else he can do to win us all over tbh

not much imo. Also took being left out of the CL final as well as you could ask for really.

Another season like last Berba, let the haters hate :D
 
Unfortunately I don't think Berbatov is very successful at being a number 3 striker, as he inevitably will be. In my opinion most of the times he has played well for us for any length of time is after a run of games, which he is unlikely to get regularly (if at all), particularly if we buy the likes of Sneijder.

If this sale goes through maybe Fergie thinks that Owen/Welbeck are a better option off the bench than Berbatov (e.g. As was the case vs Barcelona) and he doesn't see Berbatov starting many games ahead of Rooney/Hernandez.

If this were the thinking then I think we'd have done exceptionally well to get £15-20m.
 
O'shea gone, if Berba leaves who we gonna hate? :D

We got to blame someone!!
 
Carrick and Fletcher are still here. They still are hating veterans. Can't take that away from them.
 
feck me, topscorer in the league, more winners than anyone else, played a huge part in us winning the title, a genuinely nice guy, and people are still screaming for his departure. And for money we don't need, certainly not for transfers.

I hate people.
 
But it's worth considering he did score 11 of his 20 goals over 3 matches, that leaves only 9 goals spread over say 30 matches.
That's not a good way of thinking of the numbers though. You only discount the goals if they're unimportant, like scoring the 9th through 13th goals in a 14-0 victory. But all three goals against Liverpool were vital, because we won 3-2. And in the other two games, we should at least give him credit for one each. Because the fact is, he played the game and he scored.

So even without the "redundant" goals, he scored 14 times from 24 starts and 8 sub appearances. Including what, five match-winners? Good season by any standard.
 
feck me, topscorer in the league, more winners than anyone else, played a huge part in us winning the title, a genuinely nice guy, and people are still screaming for his departure. And for money we don't need, certainly not for transfers.

I hate people.

Don't worry people hate you also.:lol:
 
There's not even any hints about 'Berba to PSG' on the French version of Goal.com...which says it all about this rumour. :D
 
There's not even any hints about 'Berba to PSG' on the French version of Goal.com...which says it all about this rumour. :D

I think he's agreed to sign for PSG. Talks finished earlier today. Depends if you believe rob10media or not. His company do the media management for PSG.
 
His importance to United will lessen as Hernandez and Welbeck emerge. It's a risk selling him given how many goals he scored last season, but these are the kinds of decisions Ferguson sometimes takes, like selling RVN.