In the context of the sentence I think the person is referring to unmarked police cares as niggers?
UK Riots (with the exception of Manchester which has its own thread)
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In the context of the sentence I think the person is referring to unmarked police cares as niggers?
kid's toy guns, at least here in Canada have big, bright orange plastic things on the muzzle to help people differentiate them and real guns.
London is fine people...No need to worry about coming here. 90% of the place is operating as normal and unless you fancy walking down Peckham High Street at 2 in the morning, you aren't going to get involved in anything. This isn't a civil war, it's people trying to nick Playstation games.
Exactly, replica's and toys are 2 different things.
Just to be clear.... this is an example of a replica
This is the real version of that gun.
Just to be clear.... this is an example of a replica
This is the real version of that gun.
This.
If it carries on at this rate, just avoid shitholes at night...And i assume you would normally so why change now?
some catch-up points:
- Forensics indicating all recovered projectiles were police issue bullets - it's not uncommon for criminals to use guns that were lost by or stolen from law enforcement, so this factoid isn't as damning as it may appear at first glance
- Looting is gay
- If Jack Bauer isn't hitting centre of mass, it's because his technique is crap
Exactly, replica's and toys are 2 different things.
Just to be clear.... this is an example of a replica
This is the real version of that gun.
Replicas are prohibited in Canada, if you can believe it.
any of you guys familiar with Airsoft guns?
a few lads in the office play it, and i can assure you that at first glance, you would assume its a real gun
a few lads in the office play it, and i can assure you that at first glance, you would assume its a real gun
If someone pulled this on you I don't think you'd wait to find out how real it was.
Anyone who has a replica gun or any type of weapon then you run the risk of false positive and its you who should bear the blame.
If you think the defence I only had a replica will save you then you are as thick as the bullet lodged somewhere in your body.
If you think the defence I only had a replica will save you then you are as thick as the bullet lodged somewhere in your body.
Yep, and particularly if its at a distance.
yes (snigger), most of them available here need to have clear plastic parts, again to differentiate them from real firearms.
that said, anyone who carries something that looks realistic at all, openly, in a jurisdiction that does not allow such activity really can't complain when the police intervene; however, the severity of their reaction could be cause for concern.
Did you hear all the Helicopters last night Heap?...I was up till about 4 and the feckers wouldn't shut up....I'm gonna have a stroll down to Brixton road in a bit to see how bad it really is.
If someone pulled this on you I don't think you'd wait to find out how real it was.
If it's up close then the diameter of the barrel is a dead giveaway. Of course, for some it all happens so fast. The problem in so called tough areas is that the conditions on the street often make the police quite edgy, at times rightfully so at others not so much.
is it open to pedestrians yet then?
another pic
so it appears to be still open at the moment
It's a good job looters can't climb a 4ft fence!
I'm not sure anyone is saying that either. Noone is saying he has to fire his weapon for the police to respond, but if its in a holster, or on a seat, the priority should not be to shoot him just because its there. Obviously you run the risk of this happening when you carry around a firearm, but there are clearly situations where you don't have to shoot or kill the person, to disarm them. I have a friend who served time for possession having made stupid choices as a kid, he was stopped, asked questions about it, then searched and arrested. Of course they could have just shot him first, as he ran that risk, but it would have been entirely unnecessary.
Don't know, I'll find out in a minute.
They don't over here. Mk market has toy bb guns that look as real as anything from a small distance.
I think I remember reading one of the first things conformed was that it was not a police issue weapon recovered on the scene. So the police bullets came from them.
i have heard that there are higher fences further back, to be fair though given that fact it is a short fence yet there will be police with batons on the other side i think looters won't get through, the barriers at the student demos were about the same were they not?. hearing there is a heavy dog unit presence there too
well hurry up will you, we haven't got all day
I have a desert eagle c02 one, brought online when it was still legal. You would certainly struggle to determine if it was real or not. I'm pretty sure the piece of shit is heavier then the real thing.
Seems strange to station police resources in designated places quite so obviously.
This isn't a particularly co-ordinated attack no matter how the media tries to play it.
It is kids mobbing up and running around smashing anything and everything - so if the police are there, they will feck off somewhere else.
This isn't a particularly co-ordinated attack no matter how the media tries to play it.
It is kids mobbing up and running around smashing anything and everything - so if the police are there, they will feck off somewhere else.
No as by about 12 i was back in the suburban tranqulity of Twickenham.
I'm in Streatham later so assume it will be eventful.
Agree with this. When I brought mine, the law said no public places, and to carry it, it must be in a car, in its box, with the ammunition separate. I have never taken it out as its a bit shit, I don't want to shoot anything, and it's now illegal. I can understand it being confused with a real firearm, so why take that risk?
Well exactly. If the police shot everyone they found with a gun, there'd be a lot of bodies on the streets of our cities.
Because people want to pretend their real guns and use them in circumstances where real guns would be used (threatening people, looking hard etc).
They when the police think they're real guns and the idiots with them end up getting shot everyone says the police should've known.
Which is why the police probably don't just shoot on sight.
I don't think anyone is saying the police should shoot first and ask questions later.
What I'm arguing against is the idea that they shouldn't shoot unless someones fired or is waving a gun around.
If someone is spotted with a gun and for whatever reason wont totally comply with what the police are telling them to do then they can't really have any complaints if they end up getting shot.
No ones saying just shoot anyone you see with a gun.
Noone is saying otherwise ep...
Indeed, as I already said, the criteria for police discharging their firearms should be based on the person being threatening, i.e. removing their gun from its holster or storage, or attempting to do so.
They don't have to be waving their gun around, but there must be reasonable suspicion that they plan on using the gun.
I mean even if the gun is still holstered/stuck in their belt etc.
The arguements above seem to suggest that they should be 'threatening' people with it, or that even that they shouldn't be shot unless they've fired a shot.
What is or isn't threatening is subjective, simply having a gun (in an illegal setting) is threatening.
The arguements above seem to suggest that they should be 'threatening' people with it, or that even that they shouldn't be shot unless they've fired a shot.
What is or isn't threatening is subjective, simply having a gun (in an illegal setting) is threatening.
Having it in their possession is, IMO reason enough to suspect they plan on using it.
I agree with the police guidelines in the UK which state:
"Firearms may be fired by AFOs (Authorised Firearm Officers) in the course of their duty only when absolutely necessary after traditional methods have been tried and failed or must, from the nature of the circumstances, be unlikely to succeed if tried."
If someone is merely in possession of a gun, and there is no indication they are planning to use it, then there are clearly other more normal methods of disarming and arresting them... as was done with Hectic's mate.
There were 11 shots fired at Police during the last spate of rioting in Belfast. One journo was hit in the leg.
Thats proper provacation
Thats proper provacation
So what you are saying is the police have carte blanche if they suspect someone is in possession of a gun? Why don't we just halt the IPCC investigation now then?
Why would a person be shot when the gun is in a holster, and they haven't made a gesture towards it. Shooting someone on that basis is wrong.
I pretty much agree with them too but they don't say anything about them having to be planning to use it or being threatening with it. There's no way of knowing if someone is planning on using a gun.
You have to consider settings to. If someone is in a public place surrounded by passers by with a gun do you think the police should spend their time negotiating or safeguard the public asap? (assuming the person fails to comply with a first instruction to get surrender!)
You have to consider settings to. If someone is in a public place surrounded by passers by with a gun do you think the police should spend their time negotiating or safeguard the public asap? (assuming the person fails to comply with a first instruction to get surrender!)