David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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Already Prem managers will be thinking lets get more balls into the box and have a big lump of a forward charge him.

De Gea will need to mark out his reputation quickly. I think he needs to clatter some forward and ket the know he won't be a walk over.
 
Blair said:
Prem managers will also be telling their players to take a pop from long range.
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Not too much of a concern as I expect most shots to sail wide. Crosses into the box are more frequent as most times it doesnt mean the ball will go out of play if it doesnt hit the intended target unlike a shot thats likely to just go into touch.
 
citys first goal was no different to ours. The goalkeepers did exactly the same thing, Nobody is slating hart.
I think the second goal was a one off, just a coincidence it came on his debut
 
but yes, id imagine all teams would be testing de gea from range. They would be doing that even if the city game never happened..
 
I still think he should play against West Brom. Last year they gave us a real go at the Hawthornes.
 
De Gea needs time. He played a few preseason games and those are not played on a competitive level. Yesterday was the first time he got exposed to the English game. He does need to learn English and has to feel he's part of the group. I believe in one of his recent tweets he said "they (the lads) are happy in the dressing room". It's like he still doesn't feel he's one of the lads.

If I was Kuszczak I would extend my stay at United till the next transfer window. Never ever will he get a better chance to challenge for the no. 1 jersey. De Gea is so young and Lindegaard arrived from a different league. Go head to head with Van der Sar and you'll always end up second.
 
The thing he needs is patience. Redcafe and football in general don't have much of that unfortunately.
 
Unam333 said:
De Gea needs time. He played a few preseason games and those are not played on a competitive level. Yesterday was the first time he got exposed to the English game. He does need to learn English and has to feel he's part of the group. I believe in one of his recent tweets he said "they (the lads) are happy in the dressing room". It's like he still doesn't feel he's one of the lads.

If I was Kuszczak I would extend my stay at United till the next transfer window. Never ever will he get a better chance to challenge for the no. 1 jersey. De Gea is so young and Lindegaard arrived from a different league. Go head to head with Van der Sar and you'll always end up second.
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That is a lot of assuming.

Nothing changed with De Gea. We knew he was young, needed time and work, and will make mistakes. Otherwise, we should have gone for Sketelenburg or Neuer (oh wait...)
 
You kinda expect fans to be judgemental but now even journalists are just the same: one black-top article I read yesterday was titled 'The Jury's still out on De Gea'. Ludicrous.
 
Trigg said:
The thing he needs is patience. Redcafe and football in general don't have much of that unfortunately.
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Thank god Fergie has. He knows when its worth holding onto something good although everyone disagrees
 
He's definitely playing against West Brom, I can't imagine anyone thinking otherwise. Conceding an arguably soft goal in a game in which we won isn't going to displace our number one goalkeeper.

End of story.
 
Yep, I don't see what good it'll do if we drop him. Let him build up confidence with a run of games.
 
I suspect to see the best of him I think we would have to wait about 3 years.
 
Commadus said:
I suspect to see the best of him I think we would have to wait about 3 years.
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Probably, bear in mind Joe Hart was on loan at Tranmere Rovers when he was DE Gea's age.
 
Lynk said:
Probably, bear in mind Joe Hart was on loan at Tranmere Rovers when he was DE Gea's age.
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De Gea is a much more complete keeper than Joe Hart was at his age. His distribution and shot stopping is already top notch, he just needs to iron out some weaknesses and improve his confidence.

I'd say he'll improve closer to the rate Casillas did as a young keeper, rather than Joe Hart.
 
Commadus said:
I suspect to see the best of him I think we would have to wait about 3 years.
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Even then, one would have to assume that he wouldn't be his best at only 23. This season will be a challenge for him, but after he settles in, he can only get better and more confident.
 
always seemed so vocal for madrid, we will see huge improvement when his English gets better
 
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SteveJ said:
You kinda expect fans to be judgemental but now even journalists are just the same: one black-top article I read yesterday was titled 'The Jury's still out on De Gea'. Ludicrous.
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Seems perfectly reasonable. If the headline was "shit signing" or great signing" it would be ludicrous. After 1 game of course the jury is still out.
 
People lambasting him already need their head's checked. Even VDS made mistakes last season, and he's probably the best keeper we've ever had, bar Schmikes. DDG will be a top top player for many years.
 
Yeah, personally i dont think the first goal was too much his fault btw. Rio completely missed the flight of the ball and the ball from Silva was close to perfect. I might be wrong though.

He should have done better with the second goal though, but whenever Ive watched him at Atletico, he seemed a brilliant shot stopper so i am not too fussed about that mistake - even though I'm not sure why Vidic allowed Dzeko that time and space to hit that ball.

The lad will make mistakes, how he deals with them is more important.
 
raisa84045 said:
The lad will make mistakes, how he deals with them is more important.
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True. In fairness to him on the second one the ball takes 2 slight swerves along the way to the goal.

If you watch it in slow motion from behind the goals its original trajectory takes it to where it ends up but it swerves towards the centre of the goal then back toward the corner, De Gea reacts to the original trajectory and is about to dive when it swerves slightly, but then it swerves out again and his balance is slightly off. He should have done better but there were little things that conspired against him so he was a little unfortunate.

Its actually kind of similar to the goal Joe Hart conceded last year Vs Liverpool from Andy Carroll and nobody wrote him off after that.
 
Drainy said:
True. In fairness to him on the second one the ball takes 2 slight swerves along the way to the goal.

If you watch it in slow motion from behind the goals its original trajectory takes it to where it ends up but it swerves towards the centre of the goal then back toward the corner, De Gea reacts to the original trajectory and is about to dive when it swerves slightly, but then it swerves out again and his balance is slightly off. He should have done better but there were little things that conspired against him so he was a little unfortunate.

Its actually kind of similar to the goal Joe Hart conceded last year Vs Liverpool from Andy Carroll and nobody wrote him off after that.
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Yeah, the ball did swerve viciously. He still should have done better though.

He is a United player etc, every mistake will be scrutinised and blown out of proportion in the media. Bastards. Plus Joe Hart is English - & a non United player, a-la Gerrard/Terry etc, so he is untouchable!
 
The 2nd goal reminded me very much of messi's 2nd goal in the CL final, where I thought VDS should've done better!
 
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The 2nd goal reminded me very much of messi's 2nd goal in the CL final, where I thought VDS should've done better!
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Lesson is that sometimes the swerve on a modern football traveling at pace can fool even great goalkeepers..

Its easy to sit up in the stand, in a TV studio or on your couch and say they need to do better but it can happen and doesn't make them bad.
 
I'm a bit of a keeper myself (about 4 years of college and sunday league) and when I watch football I usually take a keen interest in goalkeepers. If they make a howler im usually one who notices and takes not of what there doing more than most.

Here are my opinions on the two goals.

I felt the first wasn't his fault. Yes it looked abit dodgey how he came and went but Ferdinand should not have let himself be man-handled by Lescott. Vidic didnt really have much chance to get at it and in my honest opinion in-swinging ball deliveries are the worst for keepers to face. How many have you seen go all the way in? They are usually on target and bodies fly at them so for the keeper to get them is rather rare. Especially when the delivery was as good as it was. Right in the area where the keeper thinks "Should I or shouldn't I?". They are the one delivery you hope to god your defenders can clear because if they dont and its on target anyway the goal % is quite high.

The second was a howler I dont think there is any hiding that fact. Although from personal opinion the only reason it was a howler was down to decision making. First of all lets blame a little on Vidic here. His half-arsed attempt at a block was feeble and allowed the shot in on goal which if i was De Gea would not be happy with...

...The more obvious mistake was the delayed reaction. He just watched which is a bit weird.. Did he blink or something at the wrong time? BUT the fact that the ball wasnt in the corner means nothing to me. He made it hard for himself with the late decision to go down but to recover and save that shot that was right below him was always going against him.. The angle of the ball to him getting down to it was horrific. I think he may possbily of had a better chance if it was more in the corner.

In the end im glad it happened yesterday and he can reflect. Let people shoot from distance. I have huge faith in our new No.1 to not pop a huge blunder from every shot from 25 yrd+
 
Moultz said:
...The more obvious mistake was the delayed reaction. He just watched which is a bit weird.. Did he blink or something at the wrong time? BUT the fact that the ball wasnt in the corner means nothing to me. He made it hard for himself with the late decision to go down but to recover and save that shot that was right below him was always going against him.. The angle of the ball to him getting down to it was horrific. I think he may possbily of had a better chance if it was more in the corner.
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I re-watched that goal again, and the ball seemed to change direction and pick up speed simultaneously. I don't know how it can do that, but that's the way it seemed to me.

I think that might account for his delayed reaction.

He should've done better, though.

Good post, btw!
 
marcus agrippa said:
I re-watched that goal again, and the ball seemed to change direction and pick up speed simultaneously. I don't know how it can do that, but that's the way it seemed to me.

I think that might account for his delayed reaction.

He should've done better, though.

Good post, btw!
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I read something a while ago about the footballs used in WC 2010 which claimed it was possible for a football to speed up. Seems against the laws of physics but something to with delayed distortion of the ball and wind resistance. Will see if I can dig it up with a google.

It was the dip that killed him IMO. Difficult to get down to a ball in that area at the best of times.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I read something a while ago about the footballs used in WC 2010 which claimed it was possible for a football to speed up. Seems against the laws of physics but something to with delayed distortion of the ball and wind resistance. Will see if I can dig it up with a google.

It was the dip that killed him IMO. Difficult to get down to a ball in that area at the best of times.
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I've wondered this before: are the balls introduced at SA 2010 now used as standard throughout UEFA/FIFA domestic competitions?
 
Moultz said:
...The more obvious mistake was the delayed reaction. He just watched which is a bit weird.. Did he blink or something at the wrong time? BUT the fact that the ball wasnt in the corner means nothing to me. He made it hard for himself with the late decision to go down but to recover and save that shot that was right below him was always going against him.. The angle of the ball to him getting down to it was horrific. I think he may possbily of had a better chance if it was more in the corner.
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No, if you watch it in slow motion again he shifts to dive as soon as the ball is struck, but then the ball swerves towards him in the air so he doesn't dive and then the ball swerves away again and he tries to get to it at the last moment but can't reach. The late decision to go down was caused by the late swerve on the ball.

The timing of his reaction literally matches the movement of the ball
 
"In Madrid, we started with the new album! And paint very very well! As I missed the sun!"


His GF on twitter....HE'S OFF TO MADRID :(
 
It was a mistake but no worse than what VDS did in the Champions League Final in fairness, not saying it was any better either.

At least he didn't do a Neuer, he looked awful in the goal he conceded this weekend. That being said, both are very good goalkeepers. De Gea will come good for United.
 
Lynk said:
"In Madrid, we started with the new album! And paint very very well! As I missed the sun!"


His GF on twitter....HE'S OFF TO MADRID :(
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Her first day in Manchester:

Good morning from Manchester! Cloudy ... but a beautiful day!

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