Ahh poor kid, looks like he got belted in the mouth. On first viewing, I thought the first guy was trying to help him out 
UK Riots (with the exception of Manchester which has its own thread)
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yes saw that earlier on facebook
I guess a man being shot to death is different than a guy getting dragged out of a truck and severly beaten.
The LA riots were 99% looting and burning. It was the have nots taking from the haves, same as in London now. That's all I was referring to. You've gone off and defined it some other way. But I lived through LA, so I know what it was.
Looks the same.
To be fair at least publicly they are condemning it. If they have any sense they are condemning it in private too.
Well yes, as the man shot was shot on Thursday by police before any rioting, and the man dragged from the cab was dragged by the angry rioters in the midst of the uproar ...So far our rioters anger hasn't extended to pedestrians and bystanders at all..In fact there have been loads of news reporters and bystanders (including me) just milling around with them without getting in any bother...
And I live in London...
I'm sure it does on Fox
I'm not trying to get into an argument, but I'm sitting here quite happily in Clapham, and was wandering about quite happily in Brixton today, and your average Joe Londoner isn't in any kind of danger what so ever...It could well get worse, I'm not discounting that possibility at all, but so far the reporting of the "London Riots" is being a bit over exagerrated...Most of London is quite safe and quite normal.
So it is media bollocks again as we read headlines like Riots spreading to Leeds now ..... not as serious as it is made out to be, right ?
I'm not saying it's not serious, but it's not as all encompassing and inflamatory as it's being made out to be no...Has anyone died yet?...So far one person has been shot as far as I know, and for the scale of these riots, if they're really the revolutionary riots they're being portrayed as, wouldn't they be in the double figues by now?..At least 2 people are stabbed at Carnival each year...Again, it's not exactly the arab spring.
Your question seems provocative and itself tabloidily inflamatory...you aren't here (or in Leeds presumably) and yet you're asking me as if the headlines you're reading cant possibly be anything but the cast iron truth and as apocalypic as they're comming across...what do you think? D'you reckon "Leeds youths have scuffles with police" is as a good headline as "England in Chaos!!!..The World's Ending!!"?
Your question seems provocative and itself tabloidily inflamatory...you aren't here (or in Leeds presumably) and yet you're asking me as if the headlines you're reading cant possibly be anything but the cast iron truth and as apocalypic as they're comming across...what do you think? D'you reckon "Leeds youths have scuffles with police" is as a good headline as "England in Chaos!!!..The World's Ending!!"?
Anyway, I'm going to go to sleep now...Hopefully my flat won't have been burned down around me during the night, or the sky fallen on my head, or the Rapture taken everyone but me up to heaven to bang 72 virgins for all eternity and a day......safe
A comment left on shooting victim Mark Duggan's Facebook
I must say I'm surprised Manchester made it through the night without much incident (barring the odd incident here and there). I fear we won't be so lucky over the next few days if this persists in London.
sorry @Mockney, my question is not provocative actually .. I am just questioning how the media is making a big thing out of it and telling the world how bad it really is.
Yeah, that's how it was here in LA. Most of the rioting was in poor areas. Big place. Imagine that.
None of these scumbags will go to jail. The Government are too busy closing them down and reducing staff.
And they know it.
Why are you so certain that your own interpretation of the tv coverage of what happened in LA is correct, yet so dismissive of the interpretion of what went on in London according to the news media?
Is it because of that one video of the guy being dragged from his truck and beaten up? Only I've read plenty of accounts of people being beaten up in London and there's a video on the previous page of some young kid being mugged, whilst bleeding onto the pavement.
I'm sure that police and businesses were the main targets. I'm also sure that this kind of lawlessness will result in people getting hurt if they end up in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just like that bloke in the truck in LA.
I was in work last night mockney and without going into details I can tell you that it has extended to innocent bystanders, pedestrians and a few reporters. Not on a huge scale but it has still happened
One of the paramedics this morning described Croydon as a war zone in Iraq, and for once he wasn't joking, will probably kick off again tonight I imagine. Until the police get a handle on it they will keep doing as they please
Christ, if I hear the words robust policing one more time this morning I'm gonna start a riot here.
Thresa may is a fecking retard you can tell by this interview they won't authorise required force, they need to bring the army in now
Is the ambulance service being kept busy, Sparky?
Yep, up to our nuts in work like fire brigade and police, dosnt help that they targeted some ambulances to wreck last night
The UK Home Secretary
You guys are fecking shit, this bitch was the same during the Student Riots, no answers to actual questions, and even less in terms of action. Also not criticizing individual officers, but riot containment planning by the relevant authorities is laughable.
I'm not saying police should go in, crack skulls and fire off rubber bullets.
But I've seen no water cannons or tear gas, third world countries handle much larger demonstrations/lawlessness in a more coherent and coordinated manner.
It's like the police are completely toothless.
You guys are fecking shit, this bitch was the same during the Student Riots, no answers to actual questions, and even less in terms of action. Also not criticizing individual officers, but riot containment planning by the relevant authorities is laughable.
I'm not saying police should go in, crack skulls and fire off rubber bullets.
But I've seen no water cannons or tear gas, third world countries handle much larger demonstrations/lawlessness in a more coherent and coordinated manner.
It's like the police are completely toothless.
But LA was a nightmarish bloodbath, unlike London, which is full of kids running about grabbing stuff.
So are the ambulance service supposedly racist too?
They have shiny, bright lights.
The shop literally above our bedroom was completely ransacked last night. We're in the basement flat. Had they torched it we would have been goners
And I live in London too
The UK Home Secretary
You guys are fecking shit, this bitch was the same during the Student Riots, no answers to actual questions, and even less in terms of action. Also not criticizing individual officers, but riot containment planning by the relevant authorities is laughable.
I'm not saying police should go in, crack skulls and fire off rubber bullets.
But I've seen no water cannons or tear gas, third world countries handle much larger demonstrations/lawlessness in a more coherent and coordinated manner.
It's like the police are completely toothless.
What is it with these people ? The first lesson they learn where-ever the feck they go to study is how to avoid answering a question. It never ceases to amaze me. It makes them all sound the same.
That is just awful. This is what you're up against and it's why I am worrying a little bit more about this now compared to earlier yesterday. Those involved quite simply don't give a flying feck. They seem to be completely void of conscience. I fear as a result of this that vigilante groups will start targeting youths in hoodies and that is when the shit really hits the fan
I really hope this stops soon
In LA, the gang members quickly adapted to the riot and immediately realized how to exploit the situation. The worst in society jump into the vacuum and go crazy.
Be thankful you don't have guns.
Boy have they missed an oppurtunity.
We get it Theresa "this is sheer criminality.".She must have said it at least ten times in her interview on BBC five live without answering the question whether she should bring in the army or the use of water cannons.
Teresa May "Water cannons have never been used in the UK"...
That's the first lesson in media training. A question is just an opportunity to get your message across. What they actually want to know doesn't matter.
They're all dodging that question. Why? Also London met has over 30,000 sworn in officers and about another 10,000 voluntary and community officers yet all we ever saw was about 20-30 cops in any area at the most. Now this was sporadic areas the looting occurred and weirder stil the cops just stood back and watched it happen. What is going on, the police have the ability and the numbers to reign this in with out the need to bring in the army.
What's race got to do with this? There are white, black and brown kids all running riot together. Which is an understandably tricky concept to grasp for someone who's never lived outside a country where you can go a whole day seeing only white faces.
I thought the party line was still "the police are racist so we're gonna loot innocent people"?
This seems to be driven by many things, not just greed - urban deprivation, gang culture, an ingrained distrust of the police and authority, a belief that we live in an age of entitlement where everyone should benefit from consumerism, and yes, the financial mess of the country and the cuts, both of which are impacting most heavily upon the poor inner cities first. Thirty years on from Scarman, and it is plus ca change...
Any explanation that reduces a complex social situation to one cause is stupid.
It's a bit early to start diagnosing the root causes for why thousands of young people are looting, and it clearly isn't overtly political in any way - people have seen an opportunity for a bit of looting and madness and grasped it... however I can't dismiss the fact we have record levels of youth unemployment, and ever widening inequality. My instinct is that if government isn't prepared to redistribute the wealth in society, people will begin to do it themselves, and just take what they please.
Innocent lives are being destroyed and it should be stopped. By any means necessary.