UK Riots (with the exception of Manchester which has its own thread)

But Nazi Germany (not that I've done that) is a horrible thing to be associated with...Having a caring heart, isn't. If anything it's a compliment.

The implication is you're far too soft/emotional and it clouds your judgement. You're right though; our derogatory terms are far less offensive than the terms self-satisfied liberals use to dismiss views differing from their own.

Pah! You're just like one of those nasty Nazi Germans! ;):D:D

I am very organised.
 
Was there a thread on the punishments handed down to the Bradford rioters? There were extremely harsh sentences given with the justification that it would send a message out to the rest.
 
Was listening to nick ferarri on LBC this morning. He was telling of some of the harsh jail sentences issued out. One girl got 6 months jail just because she accepted stolen goods. It was a pair of boxer shorts or something like that. Apparently she was sleeping during the riots but her friend later gave her the items and she was arrested.

Later they said that this and many of hundred other sentences will be appealed and will go well into the next year.

For me I'm glad there is tough sentences being handed out. All that needs to be done now is that once a sentence has been handed out, then no appeal will be granted. People will think twice before doing these crimes again.
 
For me I'm glad there is tough sentences being handed out. All that needs to be done now is that once a sentence has been handed out, then no appeal will be granted. People will think twice before doing these crimes again.

Right, so we should transform the centuries-old system of due process that has served as a model for half the world's constitutions, on the back of two days' rioting by a few thousand people?
 
Was listening to nick ferarri on LBC this morning. He was telling of some of the harsh jail sentences issued out. One girl got 6 months jail just because she accepted stolen goods. It was a pair of boxer shorts or something like that. Apparently she was sleeping during the riots but her friend later gave her the items and she was arrested...

How the hell did they find out she had a pair of stolen boxers? I smell a rat...
 
Serves her right for having shit friends.

Well no it doesn't really... for all we know some fella was wearing them whilst paying her a visit (bootycall) and left/forgot them post coitus... Errr, where am I going with this?
 
The moral of the story being; stay up late, and don't shag people who go commando. A personal mantra of mine.
 
The moral of the story being; stay up late, and don't shag people who go commando. A personal mantra of mine.

I don't like it, but if the alternative is 6 months bird....

Evra (the poster) wins :(
 
Ursula Nevin was in bed at home when city centre shops were ransacked by vandals.

Her housemate Gemma Corbett, 24, returned from the mass crime spree with £629 of clothing and accessories from the upmarket Vans store.

The next day, Nevin picked out a pair of shorts from the haul, tried them on and decided to keep them.

Hours later, police raided the women’s house in Stretford.

Nevin was arrested for handling stolen goods. Now she has been jailed for five months after pleading guilty at Manchester magistrates' court.

The 24-year-old wailed in the dock as she was sent down by a district judge.

He told her she was supposed to be a role model to her kids, aged one and five.

It was said in Nevin’s defence that she had not shopped her friend because she felt a misguided sense of loyalty.

But Judge Khalid Qureshi, sentencing, said: “The first reaction you would expect some to have is ‘get that stuff out of my house, I have two children that I’m responsible for’.

“You would expect decent people to speak up and say ‘no, this is wrong, get that out of my house’.

“You are a role model to your sons, yet you decided to have a look at the goods and keep some for yourself.”

https://www.redcafe.net/f13/manchester-riots-337081/
 
I think that's farcical. If no one can imagine yourself possibly being in a position vaguely comparable to that at some stage in your life, you're lying, or Cliff Richard.

I'm pretty sure I can. I accepted some bright blue sparkly parachute pants from a serbian drug dealer in Tottenham Hale once. I wasn't there to buy drugs, he was a friend of a friend I was going to a pub with, but we went to his flat before to pick him up (he was called Branco, or Bruno, something dodgy like that) and he was sitting there, scarface like in front of a big mound of coke wearing these ridiculous parachute pants and, to break the initial rather awkward tension I said "nice trousers" in a sarcastic way...He didn't really get the sarcasm and beamed "You like!?..I have hundreds. Here, have one" and he went next door to get a pair...now, faced with a clearly slightly mental, drug addled serbian psuedo gangster on the top floor of a shit tower block in Tottenham Hale, I wasn't going to say no. So I politely accepted them and then gave them to my mate Dave a couple days later.

Under this kind of pretence, if they were nicked, both me and Dave could've gotten 6 months in jail, simply for accepting, and then not ratting out a mate of a mate instantly..

Now, I'm not entirely sure why I've told you all that, but I seriously dont believe that no caftards could possibly imagine themselves acting in a similar way at one point or another in their lives when faced with something like this . This is the definition of a silly, youthful mistake, and yet now she has a permanent criminal record and at 24, her life is going to be considerably more of a challenge.

Stupidness.
 
Now what happens to the kids? Who looks after them? Where were the kids when she was sleeping? Were they asleep to?
 
She's 24 and has kids. She knows it's illegal and should have looked out for herself and kids rather than her thief roommate. Six months is a little heavy handed though for the crime considering it's just a pair of shorts, but she should have known better.
 
I think it's a dumb sentence if it's her first sentence.
FFS I bet there are quite a few posters on here who have JB their Iphone and downloaded an app off Appulous or downloaded an MP3.

Destroy somones pension througha financial scandals get a few years. Wear stolen boxer shorts get 6 months - this is not sentencing this is victimisation of an underclass - no wonder they will riot once again. Kid gloves for the real culprits and iron fists for this.
 
Of course it is...How many of you are stealing films and albums from the safety of your computer right now? yet these chav scum who post rioting facebook messages from the safety of their computers need to be taught a stern lesson...If it was your daughter or your sister or even your friend who had taken a pair of boxers someone had brought round her house you'd be apoplectic at how harsh it was to give her 6 months in prison...but this chavy girl?..feck her. She should've known better.
 
Once a group of people become demonized and de-humanised then any punishment or action against them becomes oh so palatable but more than that it feels to many as being just and appropriate. This is a warped and dangerous tendency.
 
Indeed. And while obviously downloading is a far less violent and potentially destructive crime compared to inciting the looting and burning of property (thought it can quite easily amount to the theft of a far greater quantity) it's never the less relevant (and interesting) how readily people excuse their own crimes, misdemeanors or mistakes and yet are so quick to condemn them in others....

I swear it was only last week loads of posters were claiming grassing was worse than racism...And yet part of this girls crime was not shopping her friend out of a "misguided sense of loyalty"...Now, that's never something the morally upstanding caftards would fail to do, is it?
 
Indeed. And while obviously downloading is a far less violent and potentially destructive crime compared to inciting the looting and burning of property (thought it can quite easily amount to the theft of far more money) it's never the less relevant (and interesting) how readily people excuse their own crimes, misdemeanors or mistakes and yet are so quick to condemn them in others....

I swear it was only last week loads of posters were claiming grassing was worse than racism...And yet part of this girls crime was not shopping her friend out of a "misguided sense of loyalty"...Now, that's never something the morally upstanding caftards would fail to do, is it?

Did Cameron shop Coulson - no. If Coulson is convicted as it looks likeley as more details emerge can we slap a 6 months sentence on Cameron?

This is INJUSTICE of the highest order.
 
Of course it is...How many of you are stealing films and albums from the safety of your computer right now? yet these chav scum who post rioting facebook messages from the safety of their computers need to be taught a stern lesson...If it was your daughter or your sister or even your friend who had taken a pair of boxers someone had brought round her house you'd be apoplectic at how harsh it was to give her 6 months in prison...but this chavy girl?..feck her. She should've known better.

It's always easy to say people should have known better after the fact. Personally I feel sorry for this girl but it's her friend who actually did the looting who should be locked up
 
It's only a few weeks ago he was championing the virtues of giving people second chances regarding his hiring of Coulson (and indeed his own culpability in it)....Where's that ethos gone?...Doesn't really apply when it's the feral underclass. Only when it's your mates.
 
I think that's farcical. If no one can imagine yourself possibly being in a position vaguely comparable to that at some stage in your life, you're lying, or Cliff Richard.

I'm pretty sure I can. I accepted some bright blue sparkly parachute pants from a serbian drug dealer in Tottenham Hale once. I wasn't there to buy drugs, he was a friend of a friend I was going to a pub with, but we went to his flat before to pick him up (he was called Branco, or Bruno, something dodgy like that) and he was sitting there, scarface like in front of a big mound of coke wearing these ridiculous parachute pants and, to break the initial rather awkward tension I said "nice trousers" in a sarcastic way...He didn't really get the sarcasm and beamed "You like!?..I have hundreds. Here, have one" and he went next door to get a pair...now, faced with a clearly slightly mental, drug addled serbian psuedo gangster on the top floor of a shit tower block in Tottenham Hale, I wasn't going to say no. So I politely accepted them and then gave them to my mate Dave a couple days later.

:lol:

I was once walking down the street when a car pulled up, and a bloke leaned out in a state of some distress, informing me that he was a fashion designer who had just been told he had to be at a show in Australia, and had to drive to the airport and board the next flight, but he had a load of designer suits on him that he couldn't take and needed to get rid of and would sell cheap.

Astonishingly, I bought both his absurd story, and a fake suit for seventy quid.

I know absolutely nothing about clothes or fashion... as Mockers will attest... and there was no way I knew they were fake. You could argue that only a total cretin wouldn't consider the possibility of it being stolen, but I didn't. Presumably I could have gone to prison for that.

It was actually quite a nice suit.

Sigh, why do you assume that the PM knew of any (alleged) wrongdoing?

Well, he has himself said that if Coulson turns out to have done anything wrong he (Cameron) will have made an error of judgment and will apologise.
 
Sigh, why do you assume that the PM knew of any (alleged) wrongdoing?

Because it's totally bloody obvious that knew, even if he was only told 'off the record.'

People are not stupid, even if we're accustomed to being taken for fools.
 
Obviously because he's a Conservative and not a fine upstanding member of the labour party

It's absolutely nothing to do with his political party, I personally don't give a shit about parties, only their actions. Though it is surely part of his political leanings the way he views these people. He certainly doesn't treat equatable crimes from people of his class or social circle in remotely the same way.

Don't you think he's culpable of treating his friends and those of his own class more leniently than he's treating many of these looters? One rule for me and my mates, and one for everyone else? Where's the second chances he gave to Coulson?

Or perhaps these people...

There’s Michael Gove, whose wet-lipped rage was palpable on Newsnight last night. This is the Michael Gove who confused one of his houses with another of his houses in order to avail himself of £7,000 of the taxpayers’ money to which he was not entitled (or £13,000, depending on which house you think was which).

But, of course, this is different. This is just understandable confusion over the rules of how many houses you are meant to have as an MP. This doesn’t show the naked greed of people stealing plasma tellies.

Unless you’re Gerald Kaufman, who broke parliamentary rules to get £8,000 worth of 40-inch, flat screen, Bang and Olufsen TV out of the taxpayer.

Or Ed Vaizey, who got £2,000 in antique furniture ‘delivered to the wrong address’. Which is fortunate, because had that been the address they were intended for, that would have been fraud.

Or Jeremy Hunt, who broke the rules to the tune of almost £20,000 on one property and £2,000 on another. But it’s all right, because he agreed to pay half of the money back. Not the full amount, it would be absurd to expect him to pay back the entire sum that he took and to which he was not entitled. No, we’ll settle for half. And, as in any other field, what might have been considered embezzlement of £22,000 is overlooked. We know, after all, that David Cameron likes to give people second chances.

We’ll ignore Andy Hayman, who went for champagne dinners with those he was meant to be investigating, and then joined the company on leaving the Met.

Then of course we have the Bullingdon club, and the stupid, wreckless destructively violent things they did there...All in the name of fun and what not yar yar...

UK riots: how do Boris Johnson's Bullingdon antics compare? | Politics | The Guardian

But hey, it shouldn't prevent him from continuing his life of unrivalled privilege all the way up to Prime Minister should it?...Let alone preclude him from most 9-5 jobs for the rest of his life as harsh sentences on some of these people will....It's hardly the same as smashing up some silly restaurants and throwing flower pots through college windows is it?...Nah, never. And even if so, well, they deserve a second chance don't they?...Because...er...well, because they're him and his mates!

So no Erica, it's not cos he's a Conservative. It's cos he's a hypocritical, two faced, classist twat, reigning down the harshest punishment on those least equipped to cope with them whilst he and his cronies enjoyed complete and utter immunity at best and light "naughty naughty" wrist slapping at worst for similar, and sometimes worse (certainly more money was stolen) acts of youthful, or even middle aged idiocy.

I'm ashamed he's my Prime Minister.
 
Just think this was meant to be a short, sharp shock to her and any other people who might be inclined to act in the same way.

It's not the same as Mockney's episode with the parachute pants because he of course had no idea whether they were bought as a job lot or stolen. We've probably all "received" at some point in our life without realising it.

This woman had full knowledge of what had gone on. Her roommate came back from the riots with a pile of stolen goods. She then went through it herself and found the shorts which she kept. Not only did she allow these stolen goods to be stored in her flat but she kept some for herself. However many excuses you want to make for her that is another way of saying she found it acceptable to steal.

She also has two young children. Do you think off this evidence that she would bring them up to abide by the law and think stealing was wrong? Do you think that she would bring them up to be honest and trustworthy? I'm not sure myself, she is living with a thief and seems to find it acceptable to expose her children to this person.

This can be classed as a silly youthful mistake when you are a young teenager maybe but not when you are a 24 yr old mother of two young children. By that age you should know better.

For what's it's worth I also think that the sentence is far too harsh. She'd most likely have got a slapped wrist off me, along with a small fine if I was having a very bad day, but even so I am not going to defend what she did in any way.
 
I've never illegally downloaded software, music or films. Never. I'm just too perfect like everyone in this thread.
 
It's absolutely nothing to do with his political party, I personally don't give a shit about parties, only their actions. Though it is surely part of his political leanings the way he views these people. He certainly doesn't treat equatable crimes from people of his class or social circle in remotely the


Then of course we have the Bullingdon club, and the stupid, wreckless destructively violent things they did there..
So no Erica, it's not cos he's a Conservative. It's cos he's a hypocritical, two faced, classist twat, reigning down the harshest punishment on those least equipped to cope with them whilst he and his cronies enjoyed complete and utter immunity at best and light "naughty naughty" wrist slapping at worst for similar, and sometimes worse (certainly more money was stolen) acts of youthful, or even middle aged idiocy.

I'm ashamed he's my Prime Minister.

Why is the Bullingdon club always brought up when criticising Cameron and his friends?

Seems to me that we have to be almost apologetic because some of us aren't left wing or working class on this forum and I find it bloody irritating if I'm honest . It doesn't make me a bad person!

And I'm not going to start on all Blair's faults as he makes Cameron look like a saint


Whether you like it or not, if harsh punishments hadn't been meted out to the looters etc last week, then it wouldn't have been very preventative would it ?

Actually thinking of it, I bet Sneijder doesn't want to come to England because he doesn't want to be associated with a country whose PM was a member of the Bullingdon club!

Btw Mockney, purely out of interest, these pills you admitted you used to deal ( thanks to Hectic for telling me what Jills are ) how dangerous were they ?
 
Btw Mockney, purely out of interest, these pills you admitted you used to deal ( thanks to Hectic for telling me what Jills are ) how dangerous were they ?

I'm betting they were less dangerous than cigarettes and alcohol, but thats for another thread...
 
Why is the Bullingdon club always brought up when criticising Cameron and his friends?

Seems to me that we have to be almost apologetic because some of us aren't left wing or working class on this forum and I find it bloody irritating if I'm honest . It doesn't make me a bad person!

And I'm not going to start on all Blair's faults as he makes Cameron look like a saint


Whether you like it or not, if harsh punishments hadn't been meted out to the looters etc last week, then it wouldn't have been very preventative would it ?

Actually thinking of it, I bet Sneijder doesn't want to come to England because he doesn't want to be associated with a country whose PM was a member of the Bullingdon club!

Awful lot of hand-waving there following a rhetorical question which actually has a very simple answer.

"I don't have to say sorry for being middle-class" - "I'm not a bad person!" - "Blair was worse!" - "preventative punishment!" - "Sneijder!"

In fact the Bullingdon club was brought up for the very good reason that it showcases a large hypocrisy: extremely obnoxious and anti-social behaviour in streets and restaurants, including criminal damage, is regularly overlooked when the perpetrators are Hooray Henrys, but not when they're oiks.
 
Thankyou Plizzle.

The Bullingdon club references are nothing to do with him being posh and attending a high end society Erica. They're to do with him smashing up restaurants, burning curtains and throwing flower pots through peoples windows...Something I'd consider amazingly relevant to the events of the past few weeks. Wouldn't you?

No one's asking him, or you, or me, or Plech to apologise for not being working class. But it's relative fact that if D-Cam and his B-Boy crew were normal people, or (shudder to think) lower class people with hoods and not top hats and tails, they'd have been caught, arrested and given a prison sentence in the current climate and his chances of getting a respectable 9-5 job on his own merit, let alone that of Prime Minister of this fecking country would be near to none. Don't you think that it's a little unfair/hypocritical of him, in such circumstances, to be talking of tough sentencing, no second chances and "sickening criminality" when it's not those of his own ilk doing it?

You've ignored all the other points I made about his gross hypocrisy and the double standards inflicted on the lower classes by the political ones (labour included, but less so by their very ethos) and instead brought up Blair despite the fact I don't like Blair, and my very first sentence told you I don't give a crap about political parties, and one of the fraudulent MP's I mentioned was a Labour one anyway... So until you do, I've no interest in telling you what my pills were like...... Unless that was a roundabout way of asking for some? In which case, they were very good.
 
You two ought to get a flipping room. Mike and I have noticed what's going on....
 
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You two ought to get a flipping room. Mike and I have noticed what's going on....
 
Thankyou Plizzle.

The Bullingdon club references are nothing to do with him being posh and attending a high end society Erica. They're to do with him smashing up restaurants, burning curtains and throwing flower pots through peoples windows...Something I'd consider amazingly relevant to the events of the past few weeks. Wouldn't you?

If D-Cam was a normal person, or (shudder to think) a lower class person, he'd have been caught, arrested and given a prison sentence and his chances of getting a respectable 9-5 job on his own merit, let alone that of Prime Minister of this fecking country would be near to none. Don't you think that it's a little unfair/hypocritical of him, in such circumstances, to be talking of tough sentencing, no second chances and "sickening criminality?" when it's not those of his own ilk doing it.

You've ignored all the other points I made about his gross hypocrisy and the double standards inflicted on the lower classes, and instead brought up Blair despite the fact I don't like Blair, and my very first sentence told you I don't give a shit about political parties, and one of the fraudulent MP's I mentioned was a Labour one anyway... So until you do, I've no interest in telling you what
my pills were like...... Unless that was a roundabout way of asking for some? In which case, they were very good.
I have a permanent supply for my own pills thank you .


To mention Cameron's so called hypocrisy etc , I'm not sure what point you're trying to make when he talked last week of the sickening criminality . I'm sure he would have included members of the Bullingdon club in that if they had been caught looting Poundland or wherever.
 
To mention Cameron's so called hypocrisy etc , I'm not sure what point you're trying to make when he talked last week of the sickening criminality.

Then further than this we can't go... I don't think we could have put it any more clearly.

Mockney said:
No one's asking him, or you, or me, or Plech to apologise for not being working class.

Actually Im perfectly happy to apologise for it, it's one of the basic rules of being middle-class that you're fundamentally apologetic about the fact.