Luka Modric

GlastonSpur said:
Only temporarily, it will pass after the window closes. As I've said before on this subject: short-term pain for long-term gain.

And what about Chelski? The fruitless pursuit of Modric has buggered up their transfer window.
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Huh? So finishing 6th instead of 7th before selling him next summer anyway is "long-term gain"?

You could have sold Modric and reinvested the money to make the squad as a whole stronger, and maybe pushed for 4th again. Now you've won your little moral battle but will lose the war anyway, so what purpose does that serve apart from stagnating as a team and having a player who clearly has no desire to play for Spurs anymore?
 
RedSky At Night said:
Surely you need funds though to strengthen your team? I notice Harrys starting to bring in some younger players, you think they'll step up?
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The problem with selling your shite players who were once the dog's bollocks (remember Wilson 'better than Fletcher' Palacios?) late in the transfer window is that you don't then get time to do your own deals.
 
spinoza said:
The problem with selling your shite players who were once the dog's bollocks (remember Wilson 'better than Fletcher' Palacios?) late in the transfer window is that you don't then get time to do your own deals.
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No i'm talking about their youth players who are starting to get a few games in the first team. :)
 
GlastonSpur said:
Only temporarily, it will pass after the window closes. As I've said before on this subject: short-term pain for long-term gain.

And what about Chelski? The fruitless pursuit of Modric has buggered up their transfer window.
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Glaston, you seem to be under the impression that Chelsea's fortunes this season depend solely on Modric' arrival. Whether we land him or not, we're still better than your beloved Tottenham. There are other options out there with players of similar style and with Modric or without him, we're still better than you.

That's why we get Mata and you get Pienaars of the world. That's why your best player wants to leave you for us. Here's a nice fact for you to ponder on: someone like Wenger shops for bargains because he chooses to. Redknapp picks up what all the top clubs passed on because he has to.
 
WireRed said:
Huh? So finishing 6th instead of 7th before selling him next summer anyway is "long-term gain"?

You could have sold Modric and reinvested the money to make the squad as a whole stronger, and maybe pushed for 4th again. Now you've won your little moral battle but will lose the war anyway, so what purpose does that serve apart from stagnating as a team and having a player who clearly has no desire to play for Spurs anymore?
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Where is it written in stone that Spurs will not finish higher than 6th? Where is it is written in stone that Spurs won't finish in the top 4, that Modric won't change his mind about leaving or that Spurs are bound to sell him next summer even if he does still want to leave?

Besides, the real long-term gain is the squashing of player-power at Spurs: no longer will players on long contracts imagine that they can just leave any time they fancy. The Berbatov-Keane saga has been stopped from endlessly extending into the future - pace Modric, Bale, Sandro etc etc.

From now on, contracts will be taken seriously at Spurs and other clubs will think twice before wasting their time after Levy has given a definite 'not for sale'.

All this is of huge value to Spurs in the longer-run. And in the short-run, once the window closes Modric will knuckle down and do his best.
 
antihenry said:
Glaston, you seem to be under the impression that Chelsea's fortunes this season depend solely on Modric' arrival. ...
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No, I'm not that under that impression. But Modric was certainly Chelsea's key target this summer, so wasting your summer on him when you could have obtained other targets has definitely damaged Chelsea.

antihenry said:
... There are other options out there with players of similar style ...
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Then go sign them: talk is cheap.

antihenry said:
.... Redknapp picks up what all the top clubs passed on because he has to.
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Really, then how come Chelsea want Modric, but can't get him?

And how come Bale plays for Spurs whilst you have Benayoun? And how come we have Sandro, whilst you have a crocked Essien?

Let's face it: Chelski thought they could sign who they want, when they want ... but Chelski were wrong and have been left with egg on their face.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Where is it written in stone that Spurs will not finish higher than 6th? Where is it is written in stone that Spurs won't finish in the top 4, that Modric won't change his mind about leaving or that Spurs are bound to sell him next summer even if he does still want to leave?
Besides, the real long-term gain is the squashing of player-power at Spurs: no longer will players on long contracts imagine that they can just leave any time they fancy. The Berbatov-Keane saga has been stopped from endlessly extending into the future - pace Modric, Bale, Sandro etc etc.

From now on, contracts will be taken seriously at Spurs and other clubs will think twice before wasting their time after Levy has given a definite 'not for sale'.

All this is of huge value to Spurs in the longer-run. And in the short-run, once the window closes Modric will knuckle down and do his best.
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Nowhere pal, but if you live in the real world, the chances of those things occuring are pretty remote. There are 5 teams that are better than Spurs and who have further scope to improve than Spurs, and Modric wants to go to a club that offers him a greater platform to win things which Spurs can't provide unless you think one season of CL football constitutes Spurs now being one of the elite.

Player power will never be quashed, Modric as with all players will leave, it's just a matter of time. Even the most prestigious clubs in the game cannot contain player power beyond a certain point(see Robinho and Real Madrid, Ronaldo at United, Torres at Liverpool, Fabregas at Arsenal, etc, etc). Sure, you can keep hold for an extra year like some of those clubs did but you risk his value depreciating like Fabregas' did and/or the player acting as a sideshow to your whole season.

I'm not so sure we'll ever see the Modric of the last 18 months at Spurs again, Redknapp has come out and told everyone what an utter cnut he's behaving like behind the scenes and he seems pretty adamant that WHL is not where he wants to be. He's reached the point of no return IMO and Spurs are only prelonging the inevitable by holding on at this point.

Spurs and Levy should never have staked their reputation on keeping him as they did, I'd see selling him as an opportunity to make the squad better as a whole by reinvesting the money rather than it being the end of the world Spurs, Harry, and Levy built it up to be and in doing so made a rod for their own back.
 
GlastonSpur said:
No, I'm not that under that impression. But Modric was certainly Chelsea's key target this summer, so wasting your summer on him when you could have obtained other targets has definitely damaged Chelsea.
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You don't know what or who Chelsea key targets are. You just go by what British tabloids and various self professed ITKs on twitter claim and 99.9% of the time they talk bollocks like they were with Hiddink arrival predictions and many other things.

You have to be extremely naive to think that a club, any club would spend their whole summer chasing just one player without exploring other options. If CFC are still after Modric(and I don't know if they are), it's because they feel there's still a chance it may happen. Doesn't mean they aren't working hard on other deals, you just don't read about it online because keeping the public aware of their interest is very low in their list of priorities. Unlike your manager, we're not in the habit of announcing to the world who we're trying to sign every day of the week.

GlastonSpur said:
Then go sign them: talk is cheap.
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Mata can add creativity and he's already signed. Window isn't closed yet so there may be more arrivals before midnight tomorrow.


GlastonSpur said:
Really, then how come Chelsea want Modric, but can't get him?

And how come Bale plays for Spurs whilst you have Benayoun? And how come we have Sandro, whilst you have a crocked Essien?

Let's face it: Chelski thought they could sign who they want, when they want ... but Chelski were wrong and have been left with egg on their face.
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If your team is so superior how come you finished below Chelsea over the last fifteen years?

And I don't feel that CFC think they can sign whoever they want, it's a ridiculous notion. There were plenty of examples when various players turned us down or clubs refused to sell or quoted the fees we balked at.
 
Are all Spuds fans so deluded that they consider Chelsea to be some kind of rival?
 
Glaston's assertions do get tiresome, as much as extra presence in the midfield is required, what Chelsea lacked more than anything was width hence the arrival of Mata will be our key signing this summer.


And in response to Lance yes they do, which is even more tiresome.
 
It's funny because Chelsea have superior players in both Bale's and Sandro's positions.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Are all Spuds fans so deluded that they consider Chelsea to be some kind of rival?
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Over the last fifteen seasons Chelsea have finished no lower than sixth whereas Tottenham have been on the bottom half as often as in the top, they flirted with relegation a couple of times.

Over those fifteen years Chelsea has accumulated 337 more points than them and in the last 40 ties between them in the league have lost just twice.
 
Team Brian GB said:
Over the last fifteen seasons Chelsea have finished no lower than sixth whereas Tottenham have been on the bottom half as often as in the top, they flirted with relegation a couple of times.

Over those fifteen years Chelsea has accumulated 337 more points than them and in the last 40 ties between them in the league have lost just twice.
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Embarrassing. Not much more I can add.
 
Jesus how can anyone be so arrogant when his team has been dicked 5-1 at home.
 
WireRed said:
Nowhere pal, but if you live in the real world, the chances of those things occuring are pretty remote. There are 5 teams that are better than Spurs and who have further scope to improve than Spurs...
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I don't agree that the chances of Spurs finishing in the top 4 are "pretty remote". Most caftards wrote off Spurs chances during the season when they did finish 4th.

This season Arsenal are considerably weaker (unless they pull off some amazing signings in the next 24 hours or so), Chelsea don't look all that so far and Spurs have finished above Liverpool for the last 2 seasons. I regard the top 2 places as being almost nailed on for City and Man. Utd, and all else up for grabs. Spurs stand a decent chance of top 4.

WireRed said:
... Player power will never be quashed
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Well, Modric's "player power" has been squashed this summer - that's undeniable.

WireRed said:
.... I'd see selling him as an opportunity to make the squad better as a whole by reinvesting the money rather than it being the end of the world Spurs, Harry, and Levy built
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This is an arguable point of view. However, when you have a realistic choice (which a 6 year contract gives the club) I don't see that selling your best player is the best way of building up the team.

Far better to keep him, sell some deadwood (Palacios, Hutton, Keane, O'Hara etc) and bring in some upgrades - e.g. Adebayor, Parker, maybe (?) Cahill and perhaps one or two others.
 
Adebayor is your best deal. You get a 25 million striker for little money. It'll go bad when he gets fecked off though. You lot do love picking up our dregs though.
 
Comparing Bale to Benayoun makes no sense. Why compare a starting winger to a fifth choice?

Essien is twice the player Sandro is, when he's fit, which hasn't been often of late. Strange comparison. Does Glaston really think Sandro is world class? Essien has been.
 
antihenry said:
You don't know what or who Chelsea key targets are. ...
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Come off it. Every man and his dog know that Modric has been THE main target for Chelsea this summer.

antihenry said:
.... You have to be extremely naive to think that a club, any club would spend their whole summer chasing just one player without exploring other options. ...
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I agree. That's why I have never said that Chelsea haven't had a Plan B, Plan C etc. But that doesn't change the fact that Modric was Plan A.

antihenry said:
... If your team is so superior how come you finished below Chelsea over the last fifteen years?...
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Once again, why try and put your words in my mouth? I haven't said that Spurs are the superior team.

I've merely pointed out the obvious flaws in your earlier claim that Spurs are only able to sign the "scraps" that weren't supposedly good enough for Chelsea (etc). If Bale, Modric and VdV (for example) are "scraps", then long-live the scrap heap.

antihenry said:
... And I don't feel that CFC think they can sign whoever they want, it's a ridiculous notion. There were plenty of examples when various players turned us down or clubs refused to sell or quoted the fees we balked at.
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Fair enough. But the majority of Chelski fans were supremely confident that Modric was in the bag from the moment the first bid was announced.
 
Sarni said:
It's funny because Chelsea have superior players in both Bale's and Sandro's positions.
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Like who? And don't say Essien, because he's now semi-crocked and clearly past his best.
 
Which of you would have been happy if your club (Spurs as opposed to Man utd here) sold Modric for 22 million?

Take the money and reinvest it? Into who exactly? Jones? Young? Henderson? Oxlade-Chamberlain and Gervinho? Darren Bent? Adam and Enrique? Wickham? Have you not all noticed the increase in transfer prices?

It may be a valid opinion had Chelsea come in with an initial offer of 35 million+ or something high involving Sturridge/Drogba.

And anyone trying to group together any group of people, let alone one linked by something so menial as a football team, is a bit of a numpty. How am I the same as a Spurs fan who comes from the opposite end of Africa from me? Or a Spurs fan from South America? Or a Croatian who only started following Spurs because of the Croatian contingent?

Has Glaston even said that we have a better team than Chelsea?
 
In fairness to Glaston, nothing he's said has been arrogant.

If you'd said delusional, on the other hand...
 
africanspur said:
And anyone trying to group together any group of people, let alone one linked by something so menial as a football team, is a bit of a numpty. How am I the same as a Spurs fan who comes from the opposite end of Africa from me?
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You support Spurs.

Or a Spurs fan from South America?
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You support Spurs.

Or a Croatian who only started following Spurs because of the Croatian contingent?
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You support Spurs.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Come off it. Every man and his dog know that Modric has been THE main target for Chelsea this summer.
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OK, you win. I don't have an intimate knowledge of what's going on in the CFC front office but apparently you do. Fair enough.


GlastonSpur said:
I agree. That's why I have never said that Chelsea haven't had a Plan B, Plan C etc. But that doesn't change the fact that Modric was Plan A.
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Again, you assume you know something for certain, which you can't possibly know.

GlastonSpur said:
Once again, why try and put your words in my mouth? I haven't said that Spurs are the superior team.
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Then why do you bring up player comparisons?

GlastonSpur said:
I've merely pointed out the obvious flaws in your earlier claim that Spurs are only able to sign the "scraps" that weren't supposedly good enough for Chelsea (etc). If Bale, Modric and VdV (for example) are "scraps", then long-live the scrap heap.
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Modric and Bale were young players with potential when Spurs have signed them, they weren't established proven talents that they are now. That's why they were quite happy to sign for Tottenham back then and now one of them is desperate to leave while the other is probably a year away from doing the same.

VDV was offered to CFC and Arsenal before Harry got his hands on him. I admit it turned out to be a great pick up for you, but once again, you weren't his first choice.


GlastonSpur said:
Fair enough. But the majority of Chelski fans were supremely confident that Modric was in the bag from the moment the first bid was announced.
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Maybe those you came across, most I know were very skeptical about it from the off, considering the length of Luka's contract and Levi' s reputation.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I might ask the same about Torres.
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He came second in the table and is in the Champions League.

Back to my point, I have heard little of Pienaar since he went to Tottenham, and six months later Redknapp is on a midfielder bender.
 
That's an absolutely genius reply.

We support Spurs and yet have had completely different upbringings, been raised on different principles and have different personalities, views on the world and views on the club.

As I said, trying to attribute a characteristic to a group which won't have had different upbringings, principles etc ie All Muslims/All French are....etc is idiotic. And that is with a lot of those people having been raised in a relatively similar manner.

To then similarly do this to the supporters of a football club, who will speak different languages, follow different religions, have had wildly different upbringings and who will really only share the 90 minutes on 3 O'clock on a Saturday together, is, well..also idiotic.

But hey, we support Spurs right? Ignore everything else, we must share the same personality traits.
 
africanspur said:
That's an absolutely genius reply.

We support Spurs and yet have had completely different upbringings, been raised on different principles and have different personalities, views on the world and views on the club.

As I said, trying to attribute a characteristic to a group which won't have had different upbringings, principles etc ie All Muslims/All French are....etc is idiotic. And that is with a lot of those people having been raised in a relatively similar manner.

To then similarly do this to the supporters of a football club, who will speak different languages, follow different religions, have had wildly different upbringings and who will really only share the 90 minutes on 3 O'clock on a Saturday together, is, well..also idiotic.

But hey, we support Spurs right? Ignore everything else, we must share the same personality traits.
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How do you feel about Arsenal?
 
:lol: Trying to compare the rivalries of a club, the knowledge of which is important to the following of that club, to a personality trait? Are you really going down that route?

Something like that may be picked up just by watching a match between the two clubs. Someone living in South Africa watching a NLD on tv may hear the commentators mention the rivalry, may pick up on it from the songs or strength of emotion from the fans. Its probably quite hard to pick up delusion from a body of fans on tv though. Hard to tell really.

I'll make sure to listen out for the songs about delusion next time I'm at whl, such is its importance as a pre-requisite to being allowed to be a Spurs fan. They'll be sung right after the songs sung about Arsenal.

Honestly? Don't particularly like the club but do not reserve the hatred for them held by those who have grown up in England. I find it hard to hate a 'club' or people on the basis of a game where 11 men kick a pig's bladder against 11 other men.

To prove your point, there are some Spurs fans who hate them and wish they would get relegated. Some who would never want that. Some who would prefer them to win a trophy over City and Chelsea, others who see this as sacrilege. Some who don't mind moving to Stratford, others (including me) who would stop supporting the club if Levy pulled off such a move.

But if you prefer, you can continue to believe I will hold exactly the same views and emotions regarding Tottenham , including delusion, as John Smith, who's spent his whole life in Tottenham and who was raised by his hardcore Spurs fan dad as a Spurs fan from the moment he was born.
 
What the hell are you babbling about? You asked how you were the same as other Spurs fans around the world. I answered you. Now you are rambling on about personality traits. :wenger:

What exactly are you taking issue with here? Brian saying that Spurs fans consider Chelsea to be rivals? People generalise in football. Live with it.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
What the hell are you babbling about? You asked how you were the same as other Spurs fans around the world. I answered you. Now you are rambling on about personality traits. :wenger:

What exactly are you taking issue with here? Brian saying that Spurs fans consider Chelsea to be rivals? People generalise in football. Live with it.
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Yeah, linked to the delusion point you had earlier talked about. The point was that being a Spurs fan doesn't automatically make me or any other Spurs fan delusional, no more than being a Man utd fan automatically makes you from Surrey or Taiwan.

I'm taking issue with boring stereotypes. Be a bit original. Educate yourself. You talk to Spurs fans now and most of them think we'll have to do some great business in the next 28 hours if we're going to finish above 6th place.

People generalise in life. I'm not quite a gibbering wreck just yet. Don't take such umbrage at someone pulling up your lazy comments though.
 
africanspur said:
Yeah, linked to the delusion point you had earlier talked about. The point was that being a Spurs fan doesn't automatically make me or any other Spurs fan delusional, no more than being a Man utd fan automatically makes you from Surrey or Taiwan.

I'm taking issue with boring stereotypes. Be a bit original. Educate yourself. You talk to Spurs fans now and most of them think we'll have to do some great business in the next 28 hours if we're going to finish above 6th place.

People generalise in life. I'm not quite a gibbering wreck just yet. Don't take such umbrage at someone pulling up your lazy comments though.
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My lazy comment? Which one was that?
 
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