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Berbatov | Fulham player
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I don't even know what this one means!!
With all our defensive injuries and glut of strikers, Berbatov might have a better chance of getting games as a centre-back than as a forward.
There was a lot of shit with a alot of good today. How many times were Leeds able to close him down and whip the ball off him in the first half. I'd say he had a fair game 'which is fair enough based on game time' but he wasn't fantastic.
Let go of your heart,
Let go of your head,
And feel it nowww
Berbalon
Let go of your head,
And feel it nowww
Berbalon
Berbastop
All these portmanteaus' are just Berbaric!!
Berbmanteau
So from reading he didn't have a fantastic game last night but, that pass to Park for the first goal, quick 1 time ball weighted perfectly is what I think he is capable of all the time and would suit our quicker passing game just fine if he was put in to the normal first team.
Showed a lot of heart, graft and desire yesterday, imo. Really put the work in.
Berbacurta?
Sorry but I dont agree with this. I thought he looked quite lazy and not arsed
I know he was at the back kicking balls away at times but I can't agree with this assessment. It's slightly overcooked. The game really didn't require all of that anyway.
You'd think that if you were watching him swim the English Channel, so I'm not sure your opinion counts here.
If he performs well I will make a point out of stating it and I have plenty of times in the past.
My honest assessment last night was that he started pretty well but he became quite sloppy which I believe led to quite a lazy performance over all.
I would be very generous to give a 5.5 out of 10
He played all over the park. Sure he didn't score but he put the work in, when and where it was asked of him. I don't know what else you need...wait, you don't like him so it's pointless to discuss.
No offense Boss but it probably wasn't obvious enough for you.
Offended. I would much rather discuss the merits of your assessment than be insulted to be honest.
He was alright. Against a Championship defence, I think he probably should have performed better. 6/10
Take in to account the lack of playing time he's had. He's not an impact player, he needs a run of games before we the best of him.
We're in a quite sticky situation regarding Berbatov.
Owen on the other hand can play the impact role very well. Even during his short stint at Real where Raul and Ronaldo were pre-determined first choice he had the best goal to game ratio in the league. He rarely loses his sharpness.
So what you are trying to say is Berbs is in fact 5th Choice striker?
Your words not mine
No, he didn't?
I haven't said that at all.
Fair enough. Apologies.
When Rooney does what Berb did yesterday he's lauded for it.
That is; goal line clearances, blocks, playing at the back, incisive set-up play, etc. The old Berba of tantrums, frustration and finally the effective withdrawal of himself from proceedings (not substitution) was largely absent, I can't recall if I noticed any such behaviour from him yesterday.
I thought he played well. He cleared one off the line and got a block in to stop a certain goal. His movement was decent, he linked up play well. I think easily a 7 out of 10. His defensive performance in the final 10 though 
was a 5
was a 5Yeah I know, I just though I would stir up the shit again.
i will come out and say... that if you take the need for a short term / impact sub into account Berba is 5th choice right now.
Wtf is all this impact striker bollocks? Berba has never been an impact striker, so why stick him at no5 on a list he has never ever been on?
He is cover for Rooney, nobody else. As cover for Rooney he is second choice, simple as that. He has been kept solely for covering Rooney's role should anything happen to Rooney, as we have no-one else proven, for that role.
Should nothing happen to Rooney, he will be used as he was used yesterday as an opportunity to rest Rooney. It's quite simple people, stop worrying about pecking orders they mean feck all anyway. If SAF thinks anyone should get a game, they will play, irrespective of where certain posters rank them.
Think we should alk be grateful that we have a player of his calibre who is content with his role
a. I'm suggesting that SAF sees Mickey Owen as the better option off the bench... as proven by his choice of subs in the CL final. If you want to argue with SAF, be my guest.
b. I'm not sure that Berba is the automatic choice to step in if Rooney goes down... I think he's got a battle on his hands with our other strikers, and is no way a certainty in that scenario.
Obviously no Rooney would enhance Berba's chances for more time on the pitch. I guess I'm wondering why Berba seems so content watching his own stock fall a fair distance in such a short period of time... without really considering his options away from the club. And if we really did get a significant offer from PSG for him, why we didn't take it.
I understand the need for experienced cover with so much youth in that position... but isn't that what Owen was always penciled in for?
Has anybody questioned that view? I certainly haven't, so why would you feel the need to assert Owen is ahead of Berba in the impact striker stakes?
Why else would we keep a playmaking striker who operates from deep, if not as cover for a playmaking striker who operates from deep? So we can try Welbeck and Macheda perhaps?
It is obvious really mate, Berba has started one game this season so far, the only game that Rooney has missed. Why i hear you ask? Our team setup benefits hugely from someone who can operate in that role. Rooney cannot play every game, so when he is out, Berba comes in.
Berba has obviously been told he will play, i just doubt it will be any longer alongside Rooney. SAF seems to prefer a nippy striker who plays off the defender and a drop deep playmaker. If Berba had been sold, we would have had no proven cover for Rooney's position, should he get injured for any length of time.
Not really, Owen is prepared at this stage of hs career, to play occasionally at a big club in exchange for seriously challenging for the biggest trophies.
It's a win win for both parties, he provides experience and finishing ability when needed, we provide him the opportunity to win trophies.
great post apotheosis
I accept most of what you say, but clearly not all of it.
I think the point i am trying to make (and admittedly I am putting myself in Berba's shoes when I make it) is that I don't really understand why Berba seems to be selling himself so short in all of this.
He may well have been told that he will get some games... but Why put yourself in the position of only getting a game when the club's talisman is out?
The guy was the leading scorer in the league last season, and now he's settling for a CC match and the odd league match against low rent opposition? That isn't going to change all that much barring unfortunate events unfolding. I don't know how SAF talked Berba into being such an expensive insurance policy... and I'm not so sure its all that fair on Berba.
Well, it's clearly fair on him if he accepts the role. We can't be in his position, but if he wasn't content with the situation, he would have made it known. Now, from his side we've only heard the opposite, how he enjoys the attitude, professionalism and atmosphere here. Maybe it's like Owen said, he'd prefer to play the odd game at United, then every game at a lower team. At their ages, it's possible they see the game differently, and the priority isn't to play at a club where you will get the most games anymore, but to find a club that can cater for all the other needs, which I think is the case here. Yes, he could move to a number of clubs and be guaranteed starts, or to be the main man, but at what cost?
That's my interpretation, too.
If my employer said to me I can work 1 day in 4 or 5 and get paid my full wage I'd jump at the chance - Berba isn't selling himself sort.
Yes but footballers actually want to play. It's not an occupation where just collecting your money while not contributing much makes you feel good.
Some even cut their holidays short just to train and get match fitness.
Berba trains 1 day a week?
To put this Berba thing to bed (wishful thinking I know), you can't call him "lazy" based on his willingness to sit on the bench. As a professional footballer, he'll be putting in the hours in training. If he wasn't, do you think for a second that Fergie would have turned PSV down?
For a professional footballer, especially at a successful club, the 90/180 minutes in the week that you're playing isn't the "slog" part of the job, it's the glory that you've been training week in week out to experience.
And Berba is giving that up for the team.
For a professional footballer, especially at a successful club, the 90/180 minutes in the week that you're playing isn't the "slog" part of the job, it's the glory that you've been training week in week out to experience.
And Berba is giving that up for the team.
He's not lazy he's a team player. A very admirable quality to have.
Other players aka Tevez would have been giving it the large.
Other players aka Tevez would have been giving it the large.