Park was awful really.
Every time he got the ball he would give it away, his passing was woeful and he didn't shoot at times he could have.
We could have just kept Giggs on really. Atleast he's productive and capable of putting in great crosses.
Manchester United vs. FC Basel
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Park was awful really.
Every time he got the ball he would give it away, his passing was woeful and he didn't shoot at times he could have.
We could have just kept Giggs on really. Atleast he's productive and capable of putting in great crosses.
well the signs were there since the opening day. This season is and will be obvous - we're far too open. No protection from the midfield. Our good form so far is due to our attack and the wings. Chavs could easily have put 5 past us...
You can point at the Defense all you like, but we get overrun in midfield time and time again.
Carrick passed well when he got the ball from the back, but in terms of protecting the back four he and Anderson were awful ... Gibson, nay... Scholes would've done a better job.
Owen Hargreaves?!!!
Nah, I don't think we need a defensive midfielder...but heh, judging by our performances I could be wrong.
At least we have to play that Gelato team twice.
SAF doesn't look happy
I'm simply going by the logic that we are looking too open at the back. I like the way we're passing it around so I'm not sure we need a playmaker that badly. I can see Anderson and Cleverley taking over that mantle. And I don't mean someone like Owen Hargreaves, who I found to be very overrated and didn't really have enough finness. on the ball.
We could do with trying Jones in midfield asap, when Vidic and Co are back, let's see Jones in there. Even the Anderson Cleverley partnership (which in fairness delivers some wonderful football) isn't going to withstand strong, CL quality midfields imo.
SAF: "I think he [the ref] wanted to play!"
Yeah, we were all over the place defensively. worst half we've seen from us in a while.
Play maker? We have several, we need a proper destroyer with a little class. Seedorf from four years or so ago. Jones/Pogba in the future perhaps.
Nah, as Adzz alluded, we need a player who can keep the damn ball and dictate play in the middle of midfield. No surprise that he was after Sneijder and enquired for Modric.
Hope he gives hairdryer treatment vigorously. The second half was a mare, till Nani came on then we had some hope. Thank you Nani! Shocking defending... Unbelievabke. I am speechless!!!
That match won't be too easy. We'll really need to play our best team and win these 2 games while Basel and Benfica face each other.
Win these two and we should top the group.
Exactly what I'm saying.
Disagree. Anderson did a good job at keeping things ticking. I reckon we could do with someone who gets stuck in but is also competent on the ball.
We need someone who simply goes across into the back four to fill in gaps and sheilds the back four when there are none. No nonsence basics.
I believe this person to be:
none other than Phil Jones ... when Vidic and Rio are back in central defence that is, however he needs to show more restraint than he did today.
I still think Schweinsteiger is the answer. But he's an impossibility. I think had we got Sneijder, we'd have never really seen the Cleverley/Anderson combo.
well when we chased the win we played two at the back jones and rio and jones did well in thar period - he made the mistake that led to the penalty, bad mistake but i did not think he was fecking shite, shite maybe at times good other times - he's nineteen so they tell me
I don't think Anderson's that type of player, to be honest. If anything Cleverly's in the right mould.
Not saying it will be easy but those are the easiest games of the group so we really should get the job done. Even Basel and Benfica have beaten them once each.
Perhaps, but I think our team would've been better.
a draw at home against a side we were expected to beat comfortably....I be shocked if he was smiling.
Overall? Certainly. Adding a genuine world class midfielder to your side is never a bad idea. We'd have had four/five across the side then. Plus, Carrick sitting in a midfield 3 can do a cracking job with two ball players like Anderson/Cleverley/Sneijder sitting infront of him. But that changes us to 4-3-3, which in fairness is what you need towards the end of the CL anyway imo.
I think he's doing just fine in that respect. He has it in him to be the complete midfielder and he's on his way. But yeah I agree that Cleverley is more of the 'keep things ticking' sort of midfielder. Either way, I think both offer a lot of fluidity to the midfield. It's just some sort of protection to the defense along with a bit of grit that's lacking in our central midfield. I mean, seriously, teams are hardly in for a battle up against the likes of Carrick, Anderson, Cleverley etc.
He didn't do a cracking job with Anderson and Giggs beside him. Need a ball winner not someone who needs to be serviced from the back four.
Well we've drawn at home to CSKA 3-3, Rangers 0-0 and lost to Besiktas in the Group stages in recent years so this result is not really surprising.
We seem to have a couple of strange results every year.
We seem to have a couple of strange results every year.
Yeah, I think Carrick can do that shielding job, so we don't really need to buy a player specifically for that protection role.
You don't know with Rio, but he could hold up. I also love it when people use words such as concerned and worried. Is your hair going grey over it? What they hell is there to worry about? It is what it is, you need to learn to accept it for what it currently is in all of its manifestations. I'm with Brian Clough though on this one, as I think that in a 4-4-2 the defensive midfielder thing is a load of claptrap - if your two centre backs cannot deal with two centre forwards, then they shouldn't be there or you shouldn't be playing a 4-4-2. The fullbacks tonight though were awful!
Yeah no shit. Are you not frustrated with us losing two points?
One minute, our play looks wonderful, the way we pass the ball. But, then we hit a sloppy period where we look headless chickens, needlessly giving the ball away and getting over-run.
It was probably our worst performance of the season in ways, but you can see the injuries and players missing have affected us. Get Rooney, Chicharito, Cleverley, Smalling and Vidic back, then we'll be fine.
We'd really need to win the double header against Gulati and hope the other two teams can draw with each other.
It was probably our worst performance of the season in ways, but you can see the injuries and players missing have affected us. Get Rooney, Chicharito, Cleverley, Smalling and Vidic back, then we'll be fine.
We'd really need to win the double header against Gulati and hope the other two teams can draw with each other.
I'm not really suggesting that. Just a proper 'central midfielder' (rather than a DM) that can put a foot in and get stuck in a bit. I don't actually believe in this purely defensive midfielder who acts as a third centreback. It's really dull and boring even on a conceptual level.
I agree, but we have to look at this realistically at the moment, I hope Jones get's a chance in that role at the minute. But what we all want truly is a Keane or Robson and there are none. So Carrick is as good a stop-gap as you'll get while we wait for Pogba and Jones to develop into that role, if SAF even decides to push Jones in that direction. I'm not sure Giggs was necessarily beside Carrick tonight either, but I get the general jist of what you're saying.
Goals were never really a problem (so the first two on your list don't really change anything unless you want to score 8 - scoring 3 at OT should be enough), and I doubt that Cleverly would have made much of a difference either; the problem we have right now is having a settled back four. It's a mess.
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree...I don't think we need a player who gets stuck in..and all that, rather a player who can keep the ball...and knit things together in midfield. We looked like headless chickens in the middle against Chelsea and all.
He didn't do it tonight. If Keane were in that 16 shirt he'd tell Jones to get the **** back into defence when the fullbacks are pushing up, he'd close down players. Carrick doesn't assert his authority in the game when the other team is on top.
I thought more would be made of the ref laughing when he gave them a penalty. What was going on there?
Only started watching when you were 2-1 up. Cracking game from then on, with Jones looking particularly shaky(attacking he's great, always has been fine there, but defensively he's a bit dodgy). I was fully expecting a 4-3 United win, and the Basel manager did his best by sticking 11 men in his own penalty box for 10 minutes.
Only started watching when you were 2-1 up. Cracking game from then on, with Jones looking particularly shaky(attacking he's great, always has been fine there, but defensively he's a bit dodgy). I was fully expecting a 4-3 United win, and the Basel manager did his best by sticking 11 men in his own penalty box for 10 minutes.
that point will enable us to win the group.
I swear we will defeat them away.
I swear we will defeat them away.
Right, sorry lads, but how many more times is this going to happen?
We pick a stupid team, play a stupid formation, we play shit, everyone blames the players because they "should have been good enough to get the job done" etc. despite this evidentally not being the case...repeat over next year/month. Seriously, it's tedious. You can't change half your team AND formation round and expect anything other than a shit performance.
Even when we were 2-0 up we were awful.
It's also a big reason why there were tons of empty seats tonight and a terrible atmosphere.
Not really. If 2+2=4 last year, it's not going to suddenly =58 this year.
Yeah, basically I felt we were edging towards Keane and Robson, so my post above offers my opinion on this idea also. Carrick doesn't stamp his authority, but he adds calm and experience but he doesn't destroy, he intercepts (well, often) but as Spoony says, we need something else. We need Schweinsteiger.
Even if his name does mean pig mounter.