You're right, the responsibility for that lies with the keeper, still at the same time if the wall jumped the ball wouldn't have reached the goal.
David De Gea vs Wojciech Szczęsny
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You're right, the responsibility for that lies with the keeper, still at the same time if the wall jumped the ball wouldn't have reached the goal.
don't think it was amazing, but still a good stop....
Szeny was at fault for the first goal he needed to take charge. The park goal was well placed and he dived full stretch it seemed like an error because the shot was not powerful but it was well placed.
He should have done better with the free kicks. His wall was badly set up.
He should have done better with the free kicks. His wall was badly set up.
we talked about techniques but did Szczęsny did the right thing in trying to save both Young and Rooney's goals. For Young's first goal, should he be pushing his body upwards while using his right hand to tip the ball rather than his left
Szczesny is having a stormer against Germany. class keeper.
he's been immense so far!
Although question marks will be raised over the winning goal I thought Szczęsny was immense again today
This might be a cup half empty situation but looking at the two De Gea looks like a keeper you expect to make a mistake at the moment whereas Szczęsny looks like a keeper that's incredibly hard to beat
This might be a cup half empty situation but looking at the two De Gea looks like a keeper you expect to make a mistake at the moment whereas Szczęsny looks like a keeper that's incredibly hard to beat
I think the goal he conceded was simular to the Dzeko goal in the Charity Shield.
It's been discussed before Chesney looks the part in largely due to the fact that he is well accustomed to the league. Very impressive keeper nonetheless but he hasn't gone through the same scrutiny as De Gea either.
Cheggers has had nearly a year in the PL and he has improved a lot over the last year. He needs to take more responsibility in talking to the defence and setting them up better in front of him. He seems a very confident young guy and could turn out to be a class act in the future.
Do you even have a cup in this situation?
Was very Impressed by him today, he is so confident and assured for someone so (relatively) inexperienced.
Should stick to throwing the javelin.
Szczesny looked class today IMO eventhough the winner was probably 60-40 his fault. Looks very confident and actually very good with one on ones. Also seems like he can be a good organizer. Shame he doesn't have a decent back 4 to organize.
Reminded me a little bit of Big Schmikes.
Reminded me a little bit of Big Schmikes.
Arsenal sure as hell don't
Just as an apropos, if De Gea had conceded that goal it would be the only thing talked about after the match. Especially if it had cost us the match like Chesney's mistake did for the Arsenal today.
He was great otherwise though. Thought it was a marvellous save when Adebayor came 1 on 1 with him.
He was great otherwise though. Thought it was a marvellous save when Adebayor came 1 on 1 with him.
The 1 on 1 save was immense, but the Walker goal was horrible goalkeeping.
The one off Adebayor was a pretty good stop. The rest were routine.
where is the media witch-hunt against Szczesny allowing that Walker shot to sneak in, its no different to the one De Gea conceded against Dzeko......
Don't forget Bogdan, another keeper who dropped (more than one) major clanger yesterday that led to a goal.
I eagerly await the intense media scrutiny.
I eagerly await the intense media scrutiny.
Why all the indignation over the De Gea scrutiny? That's the pressure of keeping goal for Manchester United.
and the massive price tag that came with his signing.
How much was Szczesny or Bogdan? Who did they replace?
The media have been tough with De Gea...but that's how the media is, reactionary. The more comfortable he looks, the quicker the story will change to one of triumph.
"Young spaniard, brought into replace one of the best ever....starts slowly, but in the end proves his worth"
If the Arsenal keeper doesn't get stick for his gaffe yesterday, that is proof the media is biased.
in all honesty the ball had a wicked trajectory.
Save from Adebayor was really nothing special. Took a gamble on which side it would go and the rest was straightforward.
Definitely culpable for their second but not the worst feck-up ever.
This thread annoys me, as it's comparing apples and oranges. The time to compare these two keepers will be the beginning of next season.
Definitely culpable for their second but not the worst feck-up ever.
This thread annoys me, as it's comparing apples and oranges. The time to compare these two keepers will be the beginning of next season.
Two very promising keepers.
Do we need to say alot more than that yet?
Do we need to say alot more than that yet?
wasnt really a gaffe. he should be saving those but the late dip and swerve did him in.
REally? i'l have to see it again then sometime today. to me, it looked like he shifted towards his right initially which prompted adebayor to go left but szczesny promtly changed directions and pulled off the save. was a great stop imo.
agree with the last bit though. De Gea specially is in his 1st season in a new league. the comparisons are premature atm.
EDIT- watched the szczesny save again. confirms what i thought. brilliant save.
From what I've read, they've reported it as being an unfortunate moment in an otherwise distinguished display. I'd say that's about right.
I agree with Pogue here, the comparison between The two keepers is unfair given that one has had a season of PL footy under his belt while the other has only just arrived.
Meh. Think people are over-rating the save. I've made saves just as good as that myself in the past. And I played in a shite amateur league. For me, a really outstanding save has to be one where you think "how did he do that?" Cheezy's made some top saves this season. That wasn't one of them. IMO.
Oh and...
...it was definitely a gaffe.
Oh and...
...it was definitely a gaffe.
It was still a fantastic save.
The difference is though De Gea swiftly followed the Dzeko one up with the mistake at West Brom. Lets face it had he not made a mistake against West Brom then everything he's done in the subsequent games wouldn't be highlighted.
It's also the case that De Gea has replaced VDS and came in for a massive fee, Szczęsny on the other hand has replaced rubbish keepers like Aluminia and Fabianski and has come through Arsenal's youth ranks and cost them next to nothing (I assume that's the case). Oh and one plays for Manchester United and the other at Arsenal who have much bigger deficiencies at the moment than a very promising young keeper making the occasional ricket
It was a gaffe. I did something similar a few months back. My mistake - I saw the strike and was diving to save it - I knew I had it in my head what I needed to do and it was nothing more than a good diving stretch / save so I switched off momentarily and assumed I had it until the ball dipped touched my glove and went in. I laid flat on the floor flummoxed that I had let than in.
Chesney reaction is the same its not the hes disapointed he let that in as much as flummoxed - he lost concentration and the ball dipped. If he had kept his eye on the ball all the way a little adjustment and he would have saved it.
He'll learn but even the best can let those go in - hardest job for a GK is to keep their concentration up.
Chesney reaction is the same its not the hes disapointed he let that in as much as flummoxed - he lost concentration and the ball dipped. If he had kept his eye on the ball all the way a little adjustment and he would have saved it.
He'll learn but even the best can let those go in - hardest job for a GK is to keep their concentration up.
I already did say it should have been saved. When i say it wasnt a gaffe, i mean it wasnt an absolute howler. the swerve did him in, like it did with dzeko and De Gea. happens occasionally.
I'm not sure how, as a goalkeeper, his performance could have been immense when he was so culpable for the winning goal. It was a bad error, as evidenced by Walker's surprised reaction to it slipping in.
That said I don't envy the keepers having to deal with such flighty balls. When it comes off the end of his foot like that the dip is all the more severe.
It was a gaffe but not a howler. The dip and swerve played a part.
Well he was certainly immense prior to the winning goal most notably the one on one save from Adebayor. I personally dont think the winning goal was as big an error as you obviously do. An error yes. A massive undefendable error? Not imo.
For a gk does an excellent or wonderous save makeup for a mistake?
Lets say a GK makes 5 wonderous saves and 2 gaffes - how would you judge him?
Lets say a GK makes 5 wonderous saves and 2 gaffes - how would you judge him?
If 2 mistakes in one game equal 2 goals then I dont think you can say he's had good game regardless of the saves
If we're talking about Szczęsny yesterday though where he made 2 or 3 good saves and one mistake I'd still give him a 7 or 8
It all depends on the severity of the gaff tbh
If we're talking about Szczęsny yesterday though where he made 2 or 3 good saves and one mistake I'd still give him a 7 or 8
It all depends on the severity of the gaff tbh
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