Right on queue. Another round of wrong psycho analysis. You are beyond predictable. Funnier still your are so convinced about your ''correctness''
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Of course You, Mr wrong. I clearly haven't told anyone to think. But no, dont let you wrong psycho analyses stop.
The Chief should be punished for disservices to the honour of Scholes - not only did he suggest Jermaine Jenas as being capable of replacing him, he's also stated that Scholes was never better than Ballack or Deco.
I wouldn't have beef with it if some of the most ridiculous reasons where not constantly used to back up such views. I have no problem within someone saying he wont be as good as Scholes. I have a problem rather with someone declaring he wont ever be as as good or ever reach that level of consistency as Scholes displayed for us because so some silly reason they thought up and twisting of facts here and there.
That isn't the issue. This summer SAF turned down the chance of signing a truly world class immediate replacement for Scholes in favour of keeping developing someone like Anderson. Yet members on here are convinced Anderson will ''never ever'' reach that level. What do you think that implies about what SAF has decided to do? Especially for a department almost everyone on here agreed last season needed serious rebuilding?
well, thats something i dont really know so i'l leave it at that.
You don't understand what's going on. I feel sorry for you at times as you are so oblivious to what is actually being said.
That is you alone. You STILL don't get that you have been wrong since you showed up in this thread and ARE STILL wrong. So its truly ironic that you 'pity me' when you are clearly the oblivious one. But feck it. I don't have the time to continue this silly game of yours. I wont reply to your moronic shit in here again......
Cool.
The Jenas replacing Scholes thing is silly. Carrick replaced Keane. He's nowhere near the player Keane was. You don't really replace players with others of equal quality always. And Jenas was quite a highly rated talent at one point. Now, saying Jenas will go on to be as good as Scholes is a completely different comment.
Exactly. In the mind of one particular moron on here I said Jenas would become Scholes.
Exactly. In the mind of one particular moron on here I said Jenas would become Scholes.
Who said that? You stated he would replace him. I pointed out you said it. Something that was always ludicrous and to this day you continue to tell people with certainty what will happen. Once again you add 2 + 2 together and come up with 5,436,567. Carry on spouting nonsense though, you're very good at it.
Suggesting Alex Ferguson would consider a player as bad as Jenas to replace Scholes is a lot closer to calling him a fool than anything said by anyone else in this thread. Yet somehow in his mind saying Anderson won't be as good as Scholes equates to that.
Hehe, Chief's back-pedalling faster than a drunk on a unicycle.
Instead of just telling me I'm wrong, how about you actually point out how I am wrong?
I haven't back pedaled from anything. There is no doubt I said Jenas would be a long term Scholes replacement. However it was in a thread in which the possible signing of Jenas was being discussed and my post was simply explaining what that signing would mean, in a thread talking about the potential signing of Jenas at the time, during period in which United had been strongly linked to him, not in a thread in which posters were declaring who would definitely ''replace Scholes in the long term at United''.
Here's the proof
https://www.redcafe.net/f9/quinton-fortune-80770/
But this one particular moron is insisting I was ''wrong'' and I was saying Jenas would ''definitely'' replace Scholes, which is certainly not even close to what I said or meant. Worse still he thinks I should waste my time pointing out to him the obvious stupidity of his stance and how so obviously wrong he is.
You said he would, not could. You don't understand. I am not saying you were wrong because he didn't replace Scholes, which you were, but more for the fact you thought he was good enough. Despite quite glaring mistakes in the rating of players you expect one and all to bow to your superior knowledge on what a player is capable of.
You are assuming every single thing you have just stated. Firstly it seems likely that Fergie wanted to sign Sneijder but it wasn't financially viable, so there is a great chance he didn't turn anything down. Secondly many thought Fergie signed Carrick to replace Scholes 5 years ago, who are now bizarrely stating we signed him to replace Keane, despite Fletcher already being stated as Keane's replacement.
It doesn't work that way. Fergie buys players that he believes will become good team players. Who did he buy to replace Ronaldo? Who did he buy to replace Tevez? Or Neville? Or Keane? Or Cantona?
To say that Anderson will never ever reach Scholes' level is like me saying that Welbeck will never reach Rooney's level. It isn't saying that Fergie is a fool to stick with him, it is saying that a talent like Scholes is so rare that if you bought 50 Anderson's, probably only 1 or 2 would ever come close.
I'm simply going by what SAF himself said about the issue. He has implied that he choose to stick with the likes of Anderson, Cleverly and Pogba. For me what would be the assumption is to that getting Sneijder wasn't financially viable. But its fair enough if you think that's assuming....
However, I'm not sure how the views people had on our midfield last season is an assumption
That is true. But SAF himself indicated he bought Anderson to replace Scholes long term. Plus he has also said repeatedly he believes the lad would one day be amongst the best in the world in his role.
There's a huge difference between Fergie giving an ego/confidence boost to a young player and someone being a fool to think he won't be World Class or as good as Scholes.
Didn't Fergie once sign Eric Djemba-Djemba? Since when has every Fergie signing been spot on.
And having that thread again, chief says 'Jenas would be a long term Scholes replacement', which suggests that should this go through, that's the thought behind it.
And it's all well and good to laugh at these things now, but Jenas was rated by a lot of people back then. He never lived up to his potential but it's not as if he was looked at as a nothing player.
Doesn't matter whether people were foolish enough to rate him that highly or not he was still spectacularly wrong yet he still thinks we should listen to him when he tells us all how wrong we are about players. His history shows he is no better at judging players than anyone else here and in some cases worse.
SAF is not in the habit of saying this or that player can become amongst the best in the world just to boost their confidence.
Don't bother explaining it to that idiot. It is clear to all except a brain dead moron like him that my statement was all about where a Jenas would fit in our team if he was signed. Not that he was going to be signed 100% and was 100% Scholes replacement. In his stupid head though, I had said Jenas would definitely replace Scholes and have been found wrong. You can't make up the things that imbecile does.
I bet you foolishly rate a lot of players highly right now, except it's not really foolish considering you don't have the benefit of hindsight.
You really seem hellbent on proving him spectacularly wrong. For that, I'd suggest picking up on a more definitive and specific comment made by him. The one youve quoted seems to suggest that should we sign jenas, it would be for so and so purpose, which is a nothing statement really. It's not even an opinion rating the player.
Fergie constantly gives players praise beyond what they have achieved or even can realistically achieve. He said Welbeck would go to the last World Cup.
As I said before Anderson does have the potential to be World Class, which I think is basically what Fergie is saying. The proportion of people that go from raw potential to World Class is very small however.
If Chief didn't rate the player I'm sure he would've said so. He's not shy in forcing his opinions down our throat. You seem hellbent on defending him. I have no need to prove him wrong, his words will do that for me.
It doesn't really matter if I rate a poor player overly highly as I'm not constantly going around telling people they are wrong and I will be proved right and that anyone who disagree's is calling Fergie a fool. You're backing the wrong horse here.
Indeed.
But that hasn't got anything to do with this, right? He might have rated him, he might not have. And if he did, it could have been to world class potential proportions or a good solid pro proportions. feck knows.
Regarding the second sentence, that's none of my business. That's your personal take and you guys seem to have previous history so you both figure it out.
I think Chief does seem a little extra aggressive in this thread but I generally like him as a poster so I see it as an aberration. But that opinion on his comment in the old thread stands regardless of what I think of him.
We all agree, Ando is better than Jenas, as Jenas is a no good bum and
so is Eusebio
so is Eusebio
It was you said he may not even have rated the player but he clearly did and that is all I pointed out.
I still don't even really know what type of midfielder he'll be in a few years, or what really good midfielder to compare the lad to. I mean right now he's good at a lot of things but doesn't really overly excel at anything. So is he going to be an all rounder or something? I find it strange.
Did he played for Brazil today against Costa Rica?
There is a real difference between saying a kid can make the world cup squad and saying he is able to be a world best.
It is not as small as people think. Most players who have started careers with truly outstanding potential tend to make it in time. Midfielders of the playmaking variety tend to really take their time.
Exactly. There is no where in that thread where I give an opinion on the players ability. So the notion that I allegedly thought him a future Scholes is just in the cretin's head.
To be fair to Chief, we have our differences on Anderson which I shall no longer delve into, but using a prediction made years and years ago as a reason to dismiss his opinion on the player Ando will be is just petty.
We've all made mistakes when we predict what a player will become.
We've all made mistakes when we predict what a player will become.
Yeah, if you read the Caf, and you don't know to beware the Chief, then nuts to you.
Isn't he mister 'Left footed penalty takers are better than right footed ones?'
Great thread, from like 5 years ago.
Isn't he mister 'Left footed penalty takers are better than right footed ones?'
Great thread, from like 5 years ago.
That was just one example that I'd just read. The Chief is constantly misinterpreting what people have said and forcing his opinions on people as if he's the only person capable of knowing how a player will develop. Yet despite these regular mistakes he steps into this thread and states that anyone who doesn't think Anderson will be as good as Scholes or 'world class' is calling Fergie a fool and that he, beyond any doubt will be proved right. This is not an isolated incident. He is certifiably insane.
Do you remember who that was? I looked for the thread but I couldn't find it. Someone even made a video of it on some site where they give you a basic framework with lego people, I had it bookmarked once upon a time.
You have let our a few howlers in your time, but you come back for more, you have my respect, sir.
You have let our a few howlers in your time, but you come back for more, you have my respect, sir.
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