Given what a diving cheating cnut Suarez seems to be it is tempting to automatically assume that he is also a racist but it is hard to make a judgement since we lack almost why information barring that an accusation has been made. If he said "feck off nigger" then that isn't really open to alternative interpretations. Others thing may possibly be. If it ends up being one players word against another then it will probably all go away.
Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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yes, it's very easy to believe the worst of him
I wondered if it could be a misunderstanding of the word 'negro' which just means 'black' in Spanish, and in South America carries no real negative connotations.
In what context though? "Some of the stripes on your shirt are black!"
From Wiki:
"However, in Spanish-speaking countries such as Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay where there are few people of African origin and appearance, negro (negra for females) is commonly used to refer to partners, close friends or people in general independent of skin color. In Venezuela the word negro is similarly used, despite its large African descent population.
It is similar to the use of the word "nigga" in urban communities in the United States. For example, one might say to a friend, "Negro ¿Como andas? (literally "Hey, black one, how are you doing?"). In this case, the diminutive negrito is used, as a term of endearment meaning "pal", "buddy" or "friend". Negrito has come to be used to refer to a person of any ethnicity or color, and also can have a sentimental or romantic connotation similar to "sweetheart," or "dear" in English."
No misunderstanding. Assuming Evra is correct with his allegations he said it number of time to "wind him up".
See above. In Uruguay it is apparently common to use the word 'negro' to mean 'mate'. It is possible Suarez was saying something like 'calm down negro' to mean 'calm down mate' without meaning to be racist.
We don't know.
I heard he'd categorically denied it. I looked for some news on him on Google and the first thing that came up was him denying that he's a diver. Awkward.
Well there is Suarez/Liverpool's defence. Oh he was being friendly!
Sorry but he has been here since January, if this wasn't the first time he has used it then it will have been explained to him how it could get him in a lot of trouble if taken out of context.
Off topic but did anyone notice Evra quite peeved at the ref after the coin toss at the start of the game? Almost like the ref didn't hear his call correctly or something.
Suarez was being friendly on a football pitch?
Not being friendly, trying to wind him up. Saying 'calm down mate' with a smirk to someone who is angry isn't being friendly.
Yeah, or maybe he was telling him about a recent documentary he'd seen on Niger, and Evra picked him up wrong.
Maybe Tevez forgot to tell him that.
Still, if I were black and someone said to me "Oye, negro, calmáte!" or something like that I'd be pretty annoyed, especially when it's coming from one of the biggest shithouses to don a Liverpool shirt.
If he has used the word in this context ( repeatedly ) I think he is sly enough to know he could use this excuse as a backup
I wouldn't discount the possibility of a misunderstanding, especially between a Spanish speaking bloke from South America and a Frenchman.
This is going to rumble on isn't it? Match report filed tomorrow, FA to duly botch the investigation.
Me either, according to Wiki it happens all the time.
Lets try think up other possible scenarios that support the misunderstanding idea.....
It's not like Evra is completely illiterate in Spanish though, is it?
hey mike, i'm sure suarez would say negro. If we look at that clip again, his teeth make it so hard to understand what he's saying. Just look he's saying durr like a zombie just with no drool coming out
Have to say, if someone called me a nigger ten times in a demeaning context within 90 minutes, I'd get pretty angry. Considering Evra is a known hothead and has pulled out racism twice in the past (both times dismissed), I find it hard to believe Evra would be able to take such abuse and do nothing other than simply slap Suarez's hand away.
I find it very strange as well that some of you are finding it easier to believe the accusations because Suarez dives and cheats and is a twat in general (all of which are true). What on earth does that have have to do with the likeliness of him being a racist?
I find it very strange as well that some of you are finding it easier to believe the accusations because Suarez dives and cheats and is a twat in general (all of which are true). What on earth does that have have to do with the likeliness of him being a racist?
At one point, Suarez tried to patch things up by offering his hand, but Evra brushed it off. Now I understand why. Paddy sure was wound up with both the ref and the noxious git.
Kamara just said "I've been on the receiving end of this on the pitch, unless someone else has heard it's very hard to prove. Very hard indeed."
Wonderful insight as always from Kammy. After the break he'll explain how difficult it is to be awarded a penalty when none of the officials have seen the offence.
It's easy to believe that the man would stoop to any depths to gain an advantage (in this case, Evra being sent off for reacting to abuse). This doesn't specifically make Suarez an habitual racist, by the way; rather, it only confirms what watching the player consistently informs us - he's a good footballer but a very poor 'sportsman'.
I thought he was just continuing to wind him up by patronisingly giving Evras hair a ruffle as if it was a friendly act so when Pat was pissed off Suarez could just turn to the ref and say "I was just being friendly what's his problem?!"
He's a sneaky, dirty, slimy, insufferable prick and he's definately playing for the right team.
When I saw that I just thought that Evra was doing a G Nev and getting into the rivalry!
I'm sorry mate, I think that is a huge leap to make. There are more than enough players that 'tread the line' so to speak of sportsmanship but for most of them, that only goes as far as pushing, shoving, kicking, little pinches and other miscellaneous childish activities.
I think its pretty easy to get under Evra's skin without having to resort to racism and Suarez, though he has a history of being a giant ass (and actually even looks like one) has no history of making racist comments to provoke opponents.
I get your point that saying the words during one match doesn't make you a racist necessarily though.
This is kind of similar to a match we had against Chelsea a few years ago. Terry was sent off for saying something to King (may have even been a straight red). Because Zokora and Chimbonda went mental, Drogba and Essien stayed away looking a bit sheepish and the fact that Terry and his family are just scum, a lot of our fans automatically jumped to racist comment. No real evidence of that but it became so much easier to believe because of who Terry is.
Being a scum (Suarez, Terry) doesn't necessarily make you any more likely to harbour racist feelings or even pull them out for just a match than it does for the rest of the players.
Suarez will get off, and you know there is no way anyone can prove Evra has lied....what you're trying to do is to stand by your man regardless because it's not so much the truth for you, it's about this whole thing washing over because no one can prove anything.....Trying to make out Evra is falsely accusing anyone is a joke. What is it based on? Kevin Davies gives Evra a harder game....for the last few years and there was zero mention of racism....why would he say it about Suarez?..
The fact is you know it won't be proven...you know it and your glad.
Are you really being serious? So if a Spanish person says fecking negro....it's a misunderstanding and not really racist?
I simply can't believe some of these posts
Fair points, mate.
I guess that, no matter how United & LFC fans try, there's always going to be an element of club bias in situations like this one - obviously, our fans are more likely to support Evra's view of events; Liverpool fans, the opposite.
I'd be amazed if any FA action is taken, regardless of the actual truth.
Even if that's the case, does it really matter? Just because I use the n-word towards some of my friends as a joke now and then that doesn't make it acceptable to use it towards other people. Suarez is playing in England now, IF he used the n-word then his heritage doesn't matter in my book. If he doesn't know that the n-word is considered as a no-go in almost all Western countries it's his own fault.
However, given that he's denied making the comments at all it doesn't seem like it's a matter of misunderstanding. I just wanted to air my views on this "He's from a different country, so maybe he doesn't know it's bad"-views.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand once again: Evra has only accused a Chelsea groundsman in the past. Those allegations were only dismissed because of lack of evidence (only CCTV present). Members of United's staff backed up Evra's claims. What other situation are you talking about?
Kammy punched a player and got sent off for just that. Fair play I say.I'd rather Evra smacked him one....then the ramifications would really start
How can someone prove they've been racially abused? It's very difficult. Dismissed makes it sound like Evras a lier....it's really about insufficient evidence. It seems for most liverpool fans (not saying you are) it's not about insufficent evidence but about Patrice lying. Unless you're setting people up, a lot of cases would be dismissed.....It's not a solid counter argument.
Also ok Suarez doesn't have a history for racism. How do we know he's not said something and the player has chosen to ignore it or perhaps not heard it? Speculation, just like say well he don't have a history of it maybe. Some people don't seek the press, the media attention a story like that would bring etc..
That would have been fantastic, if Paddy had just sparked him differently.
Different era, different set of actions.Paul Davis broke a player's jaw(Glen Cockerill I think) for making remarks about his wife and kid.Got a ban...but I bet he didn't regret a thing.And neither would I TBH
Yeah, that's what I was saying wasn't it. Those other posts of mine about it being used as a word for 'friend' didn't exist.
Were only dismissed because of lack of evidence? I would say that is a bloody good reason to dismiss something! Whether the staff member was racist or not, the Man utd staff members are hardly likely to come out saying Evra is a liar are they?
Apologies, it seems the Finnan incident I was thinking about was actually a fan, not Evra.
I can tell you from personal experience that you can't. Or that its almost impossible. I'm not saying Evra is a liar, just find it strange that of all the black players in the league, he seems to be the one receiving the brunt of the racism still left in the game.
I'm not a Liverpool fan mate so I can be slightly more objective on the matter than most of the people commenting on this thread I think!
That's also a very dangerous road to go down, we don't have a history of him doing it but because we don't know 100% either way, we can't dismiss it? Innocent until proven guilty for me.