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GCHQ said:
Yes, on redcafe.net. In other words, completely meaningless ratings.
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Nah, you get reasonable ratings on here in general. If you want completely meaningless ratings head for MEN, Sky Sports or the broad-sheets.

I actually agree that our midfield was ridiculously porous in our opening games but Anderson did play well and is a lot less of a defensive liability when Carrick is sitting behind him (as we saw last season) When he's playing well, the good outweighs the bad. When he's not playing well he's a total waste of space, I agree.
 
He's just waiting on Nani to be sold before he really steps it up.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
I think he's still a great talent but he's one who needs to be surrounded by a certain style of player to unlock his potential, he's better when the ball retention is much quicker. Our ball retention has really bogged down since Cleverley's injury, this means Ando doesn't really have the gaps to pick because our play is so stagnant. He's a pretty aggressive passer as is Giggs and sometimes you can look very silly when things don't come off, Giggs doesn't get anywhere near as much criticism for his passing though.

How old's Ando anyway, 24/25? He's still got 2-3 years before he reaches his peak. Patience people, patience.
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Because when Giggs passing and flicks don't come off, he still got his basics right, like positioning and defensive duty. When Anderson passing don't come off other part of his game is also awful.
 
Freak said:
I remember him setting the youth world cup alight. Since then, what the feck has gone wrong with him? I get a feeling we'll never see him coming good for us.
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Mind you so did Carlos Vela and Dos Santos, and look at what's happened to those two...
 
I don't think he's going to become the player he once had the potential to be anymore. He doesn't seem to think enough on the pitch to deliver on a regular basis in midfield and there's nowhere else to put him. You need discipline in a 2-man midfield and he doesn't have that, he's also not skillful enough to be a luxury player in a 3-man midfield and doesn't have workrate or stamina either. Good player but we cannot rely on him.
 
I still have high hope on him because he has all the necessary attributes to make it but somehow, i felt he stagnated and became complacent after a good start to the season
 
He has all the attributes for a potential world class mid fielder but still lacks something.

Just can't figure out what.
 
Cold_Boy said:
He has all the attributes for a potential world class mid fielder but still lacks something.

Just can't figure out what.
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Agree.

Despite his potential I still can't believe we didn't buy a damn CM this summer, after SAF himself had said that we must replace Scholes with World Class. It looked like we might get lucky with an Anderson/Cleverley combo but one injury has shown just what a gamble that was.

We're the best team in the league when Ando and his partner play well, sometimes we're the best even when the midfield play average, if only we fixed that area.
 
Sharky7 said:
Agree.

Despite his potential I still can't believe we didn't buy a damn CM this summer, after SAF himself had said that we must replace Scholes with World Class. It looked like we might get lucky with an Anderson/Cleverley combo but one injury has shown just what a gamble that was.

We're the best team in the league when Ando and his partner play well, sometimes we're the best even when the midfield play average, if only we fixed that area.
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Sir Alex did try to get players in. Nasri decided to move to city and we couldnt agree over fee/wages for sneijder. it isnt as if Sir Alex thought we didnt need a player there. I'l be surprised if we actually dont buy someone in CM in the next 2 windows.
 
Sharky7 said:
I've been saying that for at least 3 windows now.
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Well, us the fans have always wanted one. But with Scholesy gone now, Sir Alex thinks we need one too considering our attempts to sign CMs last season.
 
Sharky7 said:
Agree.

Despite his potential I still can't believe we didn't buy a damn CM this summer, after SAF himself had said that we must replace Scholes with World Class. It looked like we might get lucky with an Anderson/Cleverley combo but one injury has shown just what a gamble that was.

We're the best team in the league when Ando and his partner play well, sometimes we're the best even when the midfield play average, if only we fixed that area.
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Genuine question here. When was the last time "Anderson and his partner" put in a big performance against really tough opposition in a competitive match?

The only game i can think of would be chelsea this season but they were playing really badly at the time and could easily have scored 3 or 4 goals against us.

Before that, I'm struggling. Our best performances against quality teams last season featured Giggs and Carrick in the centre. Hate to say it but it's worth noting that "Anderson and his partner" have also been a feature of all our worst performances against strong teams these last few years.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Well, us the fans have always wanted one. But with Scholesy gone now, Sir Alex thinks we need one too considering our attempts to sign CMs last season.
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In all honesty Scholesy was gone before the last transfer window. I'm not so convinced by our "attempts" to sign a CM last season, we've started the season without a new one so can we really have tried THAT hard? Are Nasri and Sneijder the only quality CM's in world football. For me it was a must and a massive gamble to not get anyone in.

Let's just hope Cleverley comes back firing.
 
Patience on Anderson fans like me is coming to an end. It really seems that his fitness level is not up to it, he looks clumsy and just unfit. He had a great start and did really well, but midfield is our most important position. To keep up with the other top teams, we need to have consistant quality. If he cant provide that, he will be replaced.

I also wonder what happened to that great talent 4 years ago
 
He might be suited to a slightly more defensive role, like how he played alongside Cleverley. He lacks the vision and passing ability to make himself truly effective in the attacking third of the pitch, especially against an organised defence.
 
Escobar said:
Patience on Anderson fans like me is coming to an end. It really seems that his fitness level is not up to it, he looks clumsy and just unfit. He had a great start and did really well, but midfield is our most important position. To keep up with the other top teams, we need to have consistant quality. If he cant provide that, he will be replaced.

I also wonder what happened to that great talent 4 years ago
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Gotta agree with all of this, I've been a huge fan of Anderson but the patience really is wearing thin. I certainly don't attach any blame to him for Sunday, it's his last few games that have bothered me. Maybe Cleverley can pull him back out of his slump, or maybe we're all just asking too much of young Tom.
 
He's in his 5th season now and to be honest, you'd just be expecting more from the lad at this stage. I know people will argue that midfielders can be slower than others to reach their peak, but surely not THIS slow. He wrecks my head, he's far more frustrating than Nani ever was.

As Pogue said earlier, when he's on his game he can be excellent, but most of our bad defeats in recent years coincidence with him being shit. He needs the other midfielders around him to be playing well too, he just can't take the game by the scruff of the neck and control it.
 
Find it funny that he came over as an attacking midfielder, ive never seen a worse left foot in front of goal.

He even took corners on Sunday, surely somebody else can take them.

Id have Ando in the squad, but I dont think he is good enough to start big games.
 
towcester_red said:
Find it funny that he came over as an attacking midfielder, ive never seen a worse left foot in front of goal.

He even took corners on Sunday, surely somebody else can take them.

Id have Ando in the squad, but I dont think he is good enough to start big games.
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That's one thing he has improved on in the last 6 months, he's got a bit of a goal threat about him now. He's not subtle enough to play as an attacking midfielder and he's still pretty naive and inconsistent to play as a genuine central midfielder although he undoubtedly has a lot of potential in that position. I still have faith he'll get there as he's got it him in to be fantastic, just when you think he's going to kick on he doesn't though...frustrating.

I just don't think him and Fletcher suit, not only when they're both on the ball but they both look to close down instead which leaves gaps.
 
Nani and Ando were bought as the future successors to Scholes and Giggs, Fergie said so himself, which always makes me wonder what sort of midfielder Fergie and the coaches actually thought Ando would be at the time? Did they really think he was a player capable of scoring as much and passing as well as Scholes? When you think back, that has just never been the case.

EDIT: Obviously it's a big ask to be anywhere as good as the PLs best ever midfielder, but you get the drift.
 
Cold_Boy said:
He has all the attributes for a potential world class mid fielder but still lacks something.

Just can't figure out what.
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Does he though, does he really though? Let's look, passing, can he pass? well no, yeah 1 out of 5 times he'll smash one of his Las Vegas balls 40 yards onto someones feet, the other 4 times the ball will either a) be under hit thus giving possession to the other team, will Anderson strive to get it back? nope course not. b) sail into the stands.
His unbelievable lack of intelligence on the field leads to so many ridiculous passes that are just simply not on.

His shooting, it's cringe worthy every time this man gets 20 yards from goal and decides to have a shot.
There are times when you have to ask yourself, how can a Manchester United player posses such disgusting lack of composure or sense in front of goal. 7 goals in 140 games speaks for itself.

Defensively he is poor, once again that lack of intelligence rears its ugly head again. His defensive positional play, his covering, his tackling, all shoddy.

The only attributes he possesses of an acceptable level are his strength and acceleration, which of course he can't use after 60 minutes of a football match cos he's overweight and unfit.

4 and a bit years here and his performances have ranged from average to mediocre with about a handful of exceptional performances in between. Not good enough, at 18 million pounds, pound for pound value for money he is one the poorest buys in this clubs history, of course that can change, doubt it though.

And this new one about how he needs someone like Cleverley beside him to play well, unreal that people continue to create these excuses for a player so badly under performing.
Because Anderson is such a lovable idiot he has gotten away with a lot, I seriously doubt he'll have so many defenders if he wasn't such a likable guy.
 
You're being TOO harsh there, but it's valid to a certain point.

He was €30m by the way.
 
Wouldn't be the first promising youngster to not fulfil his potential. Im all for being patient but I sometimes wonder does he actually want it enough. Considering hes bascially won it all in his early 20's I wonder is there an issue with his natural hunger for the game.

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He's someone, who, at one point, was one of the most exciting young players in the world. We spent a lot of money on him so its no wonder we're giving him every chance to try and prove himself to us. The fact that he's Brazilian and goofs around a lot has helped him too when it comes to the fans. You can be certain if he was a weird looking Irish lad the fans would be harping on about him after every game.

My patience is wearing thin though. Still think he would be best used in a 3 man midfield, but surprisingly his better performances tend to come in a 2 man midfield.
 
Decotron said:
Wouldn't be the first promising youngster to not fulfil his potential. Im all for being patient but I sometimes wonder does he actually want it enough. Considering hes bascially won it all in his early 20's I wonder is there an issue with his natural hunger for the game.

Just a thought....
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That's a fair point. Remember that game at the Emirates against Arsenal? Probably his first big game with the club and he had a point to prove. He ran his socks off, shitting on Fabregas.
 
Jaysus, looks as though there's nobody left to stick up for him. How times have changed...

In the interest of balance, it's worth remembering that he really did look good in the opening few games of the season. Plus he seems to have finally added a goal threat to his game.

Granted we were far too open in those games but I'm inclined to think that's the nature of the partnership. Anderson or Cleverley alongside Fletcher or Carrick makes more sense. Or any combination of three of them. For all his sins, the ability Anderson has to receive the ball in midfield and drive towards the opposition box is a rare quality. There's not many (any?) midfielders in the league who can carry the ball out of midfield as effectively as he does. His strength and acceleration really sets him apart.

Granted, he's gone to shite after a good early start but he's not the only United player to have a dip in form over the last month or so. the fact remains he started this season playing better than he has done in his United career so far. Which should be enough to have faith in him just a little longer.
 
I've not lost faith, but it's dwindling. I'm not saying he won't become a top player but at this stage you have to ask questions about him.

Any other player bought for €30m would've been blasted by the fans at this stage.
 
I've plenty of patience left with Anderson. He was our best player along with Rooney in the opening 4 or 5 games.
 
Love Anderson but why can't he play well without Cleverley now? Last season he only seemed to be able to play Carrick and this year it's Cleverley.
 
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