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I think he was given shit instructions and the lad just did not know what the hell to do. Who was playing where, whose roll was what.
That was not a team we took out there. If we are going to play the kids, then we should play a team, send the reserves, they know each other and can pass around.
 
He's still feeling his way into first team football, that's clear to see. We know what he's capable of but for the moment he's reluctant to fully express himself. It was one of those poor overall team performances and this will be a valuable learning experience for him.
 
Brwned said:
You don't think this is a slight exaggeration?

Thought Morrison looked good again. Not far off being ready to get games in the league. Pogba's looked a bit reserved more than anything, he's not shown the same will to impose himself just yet.
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Not "we" as a cumulative, I should've been more specific, it was aimed at the midfield. Obviously the same cannot be said about other areas.

I can't agree though, both of them need to go on loan at least, that's their best bet for getting league football, they should not be playing in the PL for us yet.
 
championo said:
I think he was give shit instructions and the lad just did not know what the hell to do. Who was playing where, whose roll was what.
That was not a team we took out there. If we are going to play the kids, then we should play a team, send the reserves, they know each other and can pass around.
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Damn those shit instructions. If only someone told him how to play in central midfield.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Personally I thought he was put into CB because of Park's inability at RB, Valencia was wanted on the wing so Pogba with his height was moved to CB and Smalling to RB.
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Would disagree with that.

We were all over them for the first half of the second half. As soon as he replaced Park they came right back into it. Once Pogba dropped back, hey presto, our possession picked up again.
 
He lacks the self-confidence of Ravel, I think today he was in a more box-to-box role with Gibson deep and Pogba's more comfortable in the deep-lying role. It's all part of the learning process though. He's a fecking beast physically, has great touch, adds aerial presence and is a wonderful player technically. His shot was straight of the sweet spot, he's a bit of the way off first team football mentally. He's shown in the reserves that he's got the skills but he just needs time to mature.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yes. He needs games like this. Total madness to claim he should be starting PL games, mind you.
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Agreed. Both against Aldershot and tonight you can see he needs time to put together the pieces of his game. Playing for the reserves and first team action sprinkled here and there should give him the best shot possible.
 
Well, that's it then. Out of the Carling Cup, no more first team action for Pogba this season.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Would disagree with that.

We were all over them for the first half of the second half. As soon as he replaced Park they came right back into it. Once Pogba dropped back, hey presto, our possession picked up again.
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True but I thought Park was very poor at RB and for most the game he didn't really bring anything to the midfield either, also he didn't replace Park by the way. I think he wasn't helped by how static the forward line was, we had little width too with Valencia tucking in, it meant Pogba couldn't really spread the play like he's used too and he also found himself in a much more congested midfield than he's used too. It's all part of the education though. Oh and I think Ravel was responsible for us keeping the ball slightly better, zero cutting edge though today.
 
cina said:
Him and Morrisson are clearly a few years away from being proper first teamers, so if Fergie really is relying on them to solve the midfield problems we really are in the shits for a while to come.
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Exactly right: probably a season's loan next year for the pair of them in the Championship, followed by a season for a lower Premier League team, as with Cleverley.

To suggest they are anywhere near the first team now is ludicrous.
 
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ArmchairCritic said:
True but I thought Park was very poor at RB and for most the game he didn't really bring anything to the midfield either, also he didn't replace Park by the way. I think he wasn't helped by how static the forward line was, we had little width too with Valencia tucking in, it meant Pogba couldn't really spread the play like he's used too and he also found himself in a much more congested midfield than he's used too. It's all part of the education though. Oh and I think Ravel was responsible for us keeping the ball slightly better, zero cutting edge though today.
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He did replace Park. Park went to RB, Pogba took his place in the centre.

Park didn't have a good game fwiw. It speaks volumes about how ineffective Pogba was that Fergie swapped them back.
 
Unam333 said:
Well, that's it then. Out of the Carling Cup, no more first team action for Pogba this season.
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Definitely not as cut and dry as you put it. There will loads of opportunities for him to come on and get some playing time as long as he impresses in training/reserves. It's really up to him to work hard and improve his game.
 
finneh said:
Exactly right: probably a season's loan next year for the pair of them in the Championship, followed by a season for a lower Premier League team, as with Cleverley.

To suggest they are anywhere near the first team now is ludicrous.
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I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest Ravel isn't close, I definitely misjudged Pogba's readiness though. I think he should play the whole year in the reserves, develop more mentally here at the club under the unique environment that training at United brings and then next year a loan would do him good.
 
Play youngsters in a disjointed team and that's what your going to get, they need people around them for both instruction and reassurance.
 
cina said:
Him and Morrisson are clearly a few years away from being proper first teamers, so if Fergie really is relying on them to solve the midfield problems we really are in the shits for a while to come.
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Morrison looked good! Definitely heading in the right direction.

Bit difficult to excel given the performance of the team as a whole. It must've been pretty frustrating playing with Macheda and Diouf, in particular, tonight.
 
finneh said:
Exactly right: probably a season's loan next year for the pair of them in the Championship, followed by a season for a lower Premier League team, as with Cleverley.

To suggest they are anywhere near the first team now is ludicrous.
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How is it ludicrous? Morrison was as good as anyone we had on the pitch tonight. He's definitely on his way to first team football.

Honestly, what were you expecting? Were you expecting him to get the ball, run round 3 men and slot the ball home at every opportunity? Some of his flicks tonight were great, his ball retention was good and he also had a couple of decent efforts on goal. Wasn't involved enough at times, but a lot of that was due to him being in a fairly advanced position a lot of the time.
 
Morrison is more ready than Pogba. Needs to develop the mental side of his game more before he is ready. We know what he can do but he's not fully expressing that now. Let's see how he is by the time the FA Cup comes around
 
Morrison was very good I thought, looked for the ball and showed confidence.

Pogba on the otherhand seemed nervous and didn't really let himself play his natural game. Games like this are vital though as he seems to be a player who needs confidence and he'll only get that with games.
 
Maybe he would do better if played alongside playerss that basically make up the first team. Youngsters played en masse like that must have any confidence knocked out of them.
 
Livvie said:
Maybe he would do better if played alongside playerss that basically make up the first team. Youngsters played en masse like that must have any confidence knocked out of them.
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Fergie summed it up well by saying throwing them into a team that isn't playing well isn't going to give you much confidence. In morrison's case, no one was really moving for him. I still think he's the closest one and did reasonably well tonight. He'll strut his stuff in due time.
 
poor game from him, too much pressure on the lad to perform, not ready to play premier league game for us yet.
 
Edmeiste said:
Mentally, Pogba isn't ready. Not sure how you can say Morrison isn't.
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Honestly, I don't think he did enough to warrant the claims of the he deserves more 1st team chances now brigade. What he shwoed for me is that he is developing nicely. By next season he will probably challenge for a bench place on the regular if he keeps it up.
 
championo said:
I think he was given shit instructions and the lad just did not know what the hell to do. Who was playing where, whose roll was what.
That was not a team we took out there. If we are going to play the kids, then we should play a team, send the reserves, they know each other and can pass around.
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:lol:
 
I hope all the media bollocks is actually bollocks, and this kid doesn't think he deserves to be in the first team. Because judging on what we've seen so far, if he does, then he's awfully misinformed.
 
fergie told us pogba and morrison arent quite ready yet. (which is obviousley correct)
but he then deems them ready to enter the field in a qauter final in an atempt to ressurect the shit perfomrances of senior fringe players.

thats the dissappointing thing about last night. it wasnt a team full of kids it was a fringe team. id have much rather pogba, morrison, fryers, cole keane etc star the game......if we get thumped then so what........it didnt do the lads who got thumped by york city at home all those years ago any harm.

we seem to be to obssessed with giving games to players who arent performing. perhaps if some of them started last night on the bench the ambarreessment would help them pull their socks up a bit more
 
Lets not give certain senior players some playing time to ensure they're match ready. Its all okay. They're experienced players. They can just start playing at high levels in case someone in front of them gets injured.

Do you even read and think on what you type?
 
ben_foster said:
fergie told us pogba and morrison arent quite ready yet. (which is obviousley correct)
but he then deems them ready to enter the field in a qauter final in an atempt to ressurect the shit perfomrances of senior fringe players.

thats the dissappointing thing about last night. it wasnt a team full of kids it was a fringe team. id have much rather pogba, morrison, fryers, cole keane etc star the game......if we get thumped then so what........it didnt do the lads who got thumped by york city at home all those years ago any harm.

we seem to be to obssessed with giving games to players who arent performing. perhaps if some of them started last night on the bench the ambarreessment would help them pull their socks up a bit more
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That's the whole point. Certain players needed minutes to get them ready for games in the first team (Rafael, Smalling, Gibson, + Valencia in particular).
 
ben_foster said:
fergie told us pogba and morrison arent quite ready yet. (which is obviousley correct)
but he then deems them ready to enter the field in a qauter final in an atempt to ressurect the shit perfomrances of senior fringe players. .....
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That is just wrong. SAF wasnt resurrecting anything. Those first teamers needed playing time. They are all so not match fit that it was bleeding obvious.
 
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