Paul Pogba

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He's a very raw 18 year old.

If he leaves he leaves. I reckon it'll be a very bad mistake on his part if he does because United is the place where he can realize his potential.

But I don't see why we should be going hysterical like Solius over this matter. We have bigger things to worry about than an 18 year old with an overinflated ego.
 
Without a doubt I could be wrong, absolutely! I didn't think Ronaldo would leave when he did. Just at the time I had the impression Vidic was looking elsewhere, he then finally got a nice pay-rise and the captaincy when he stayed. Just an opinion, could be wrong. None of us know what really happened. As with Pogba now, just sharing my two cents.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Without a doubt I could be wrong, absolutely! I didn't think Ronaldo would leave when he did. Just at the time I had the impression Vidic was looling elsewhere, he then finally got a nice pay-rise and the captaincy when he stayed. Just an opinion, could be wrong. None of us know what really happened. As with Pogba now, just sharing my two cents.
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Ronaldo for me was a dead cert, he had to be. Madrid weren't going to go away sadly. Bastards. No it's all good, I hope your wrong.
 
Solius said:
Yep that's exactly what I'm being.

I've learned from the past that there is rarely smoke without fire. Sure the media make a lot of shit up but if it is as persistant as this there's usualyl a half truth to it.
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He needs to sort his fecking head out? Get a grip. One extra article containing no quotes etc. and you decide it's gone far enough. You're being a bit soft.
 
Who are you to say he doesn't need to sort his head out though? What do you know that we don't? The only possible clue we have to his character is numerous stories, true or not, about him leaving.
 
pocco said:
He needs to sort his fecking head out? Get a grip. One extra article containing no quotes etc. and you decide it's gone far enough. You're being a bit soft.
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You're right, I think I need counselling or something. My posts have been crazy.
 
Kid Cunto said:
It's my personal opinion that he was seriously contemplating leaving, as it's your personal opinion that he didn't.

In my opinion there is also some truth in these Pogba stories, I don't know how much but I reckon there is. Who wants to read bollocks 'bout a youth player?
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Fair enough, but I never understood the Vidic rumours. His agent dismissed it as rubbish, he then came out months afterwards and said it was nonsense, as well as all the stories about his wife needing to leave this country, as more nonsense. There was never any evidence whatsoever, just media rumour and speculation. The only thing we knew from the player and his representives, was that this was not the case and he would be signing. Vidic signed.

Did you also believe the same about Rooney, Nani, Berbatov etc? There's been constant stuff about the first two over the last two years, and unlike Vidic, they haven't even addressed it. Is that because they want to all leave, or because it's media bollocks and there's little to be achieved in countering the story.
 
I agree with Solius on the part that we all know by now there is no smoke without fire. Somebody somewhere is telling him stuff, probably his agent, and probably to get him a better contract. £££

But as an unproven 18 year old KID, he shouldnt be in the press this often.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Who are you to say he doesn't need to sort his head out though? What do you know that we don't? The only possible clue we have to his character is numerous stories, true or not, about him leaving.
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Well, until then, comments made on him needing to sort his head out or not are completely premature.
 
Bollocks, do people not remember just how many times our players are quoted as leaving?

Of course there can be smoke without fire. Rooney has been leaving for Madrid for the last 5 years.....
 
The smoke without fire thign I was thinking about the Evra leaving rumours which turned out to be true whena a year later he mentioned Fergie came to his house to get him to stay.
 
Sultan said:
You persistently argued in the mega Ronaldo thread saying the opposite.
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I said that while he's here, lets support him ie 'use' him (that was i think summer with the slave comments)....because he was never staying. The only thing we didn't know is when he'd go..but i find people have selective memories anyway. That's a different discussion. We all talk of various players so many times, perhaps when he was younger I said it? I have absolutely no idea of the time frame and to be honest with you, i'm not suprised certain people would know that. You're talking about a topic that would have been prior to him leaving..ie over 3 years ago so you either looked for it or someone has a long memory...
 
Hectic said:
Fair enough, but I never understood the Vidic rumours. His agent dismissed it as rubbish, he then came out months afterwards and said it was nonsense, as well as all the stories about his wife needing to leave this country, as more nonsense. There was never any evidence whatsoever, just media rumour and speculation. The only thing we knew from the player and his representives, was that this was not the case and he would be signing. Vidic signed.

Did you also believe the same about Rooney, Nani, Berbatov etc? There's been constant stuff about the first two over the last two years, and unlike Vidic, they haven't even addressed it. Is that because they want to all leave, or because it's media bollocks and there's little to be achieved in countering the story.
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I think agents have as much credibility as the press to be honest, they talk a lot of shit. Again it's all down to personal opinion what to believe.
 
Solius said:
The smoke without fire thign I was thinking about the Evra leaving rumours which turned out to be true whena a year later he mentioned Fergie came to his house to get him to stay.
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That was a surprise, I remember that. He is more the exception rather than the rule though, given the extraordinary amount of players supposedly leaving us each season.
 
Kid Cunto said:
I think agents have as much credibility as the press to be honest, they talk a lot of shit. Again it's all down to personal opinion what to believe.
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So why aren't you assuming that at all times players are thinking of leaving? Given we can't trust the player, or the agent, but consider that the media rumours could be true though.

Agents have different agendas, their credibility is of course higher.
 
Hectic said:
So why aren't you assuming that at all times players are thinking of leaving? Given we can't trust the player, or the agent, but consider that the media rumours could be true though.

Agents have different agendas, their credibility is of course higher.
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You've to trust in Sir Alex and the club, that's all you can do. Player to club loyalty is becoming rarer by the day.
 
I'd say this. There's no point commiting yourself to the story, when there is nothing, absolutely nothing, to confirm it or not. Why bother going through the motions, getting frustrated at the player - I've seen stuff from people saying he should sort his head out, to others underlying his over-hype as an indication that he wouldn't be that good anyway, as if trying to justify his potential transfer. Except, we know absolutely nothing and this could be a load of bollocks, like many, many times before.

Yes, the majority of stuff here is all hypothetical and we have a lot of pointless debates given we can't change anything, but when it comes to transfer news, I can't understand how so many can invest so much emotion into something without any confirmation whatsoever. Especially given the scale of media disruptions that we witness every single season, with senior players right down to our newer ones. Honestly, the majority of our current first-team squad has at one point or another, been a media target, and apparently been on the verge of leaving. Perhaps not all to the extent of Pogba, but given the context of his known talent, coupled with his contract situation, our midfield situation, and Fergie's glowing comments on the lad, it's not hard to see that there is certainly an angle at play here too. I'd say it's more likely than the story being run now, but time will tell one way or another.
 
None of us know what the real craic is with this story, but correct me if I'm wrong, isn't half the fun mindless speculating?
 
Something you have to remember is that Fergie knows the deal. If he's got pesky agents who are more trouble than they are worth he'll have a word with the lad and give him a bit of advice, if he doesn't take it and continues with the bullshit then he'll be out the door and if he's too good to let go he'll get a contract to shut him up.
 
If he's really managed by Balotelli's Agent then it's bad news I'm afraid. As Balotelli's agent is Mino Raiola who is bit of a trouble maker.
 
I'm fairly confident he doesn't want to leave, it really doesn't make sense for him to leave in any shape or form to be honest. Just an agent doing what an agent does, remember the Rooney situation, Wayne wanted to stay but placed too much faith in his agent and nearly got made to look like a massive cock.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
I'm fairly confident he doesn't want to leave, it really doesn't make sense for him to leave in any shape or form to be honest. Just an agent doing what an agent does, remember the Rooney situation, Wayne wanted to stay but placed too much faith in his agent and nearly got made to look like a massive cock.
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Wayne was worth the hassle. Ferguson could easily set an example to agents and young players that we're not going to have the piss taken out of us.
 
If SAF wants him to stay, then he will stay. If he was good enough for the contract he is reportedly chasing, then he would have been given it.
A club with the pedigree and world famous youth system that United has, would surely not let a youngster with true potential leave at least without a fight.
If we were to look at the records i'm sure there a plenty of youngster who, at his age, were given more first team minutes. If he was as good as is made out, would we not have seen more of him, especially given our current state of playing wingers in CM.
I hope he stays as he look good in the reserves, but if he is playing a club off for a better contract at his age then we are best rid IMO.
 
Pexbo said:
Wayne was worth the hassle. Ferguson could easily set an example to agents and young players that we're not going to have the piss taken out of us.
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What I'm trying to say is dealing with an agent is completely different to dealing with the player himself. Pogba had an interview on MUTV where he stated his desire to break into the first team here. For me the agent is only concerned with money, the likes of Rooney get the agent to deal with the contracts but if it was up to them they'd sign on the dotted line. Rooney wanted to stay but his agent decided to act like a cock, I expect the same is happening with Pogba. Players put too much faith into their agents.

Also when did Pogba change agents because when we signed him Raiola wasn't his agent.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Who are you to say he doesn't need to sort his head out though? What do you know that we don't? The only possible clue we have to his character is numerous stories, true or not, about him leaving.
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I know that he is still with us. I know that these stories have been rumbling on for a while but still he is given his fair opportunities by the manager and he has spoken of his wish to succeed at United. That's a big enough clue to me that this is likely not to be as big a problem as the media are making out. I'd say that's a pretty logical way of thinking and this is why I don't understand the 'he needs to sort his head out' or 'he can feck off' type comments.
 
Well, MUTV just aired an interview with the lad and it seems like he's determined to stay on and fight for a spot. 'I want to be here, and I just want to play' was the jest of it I think
 
Pogba:'I've had a taste of the cake and now I want to eat it all.' Something along those lines anyway.
 
Sultan said:
Chill out people. If United feels he's worth keeping they'll do everything in their power to keep the lad. If he or his agents think his career can be better served at another club, then good riddance. We'll manage.
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We 'nicked him' off Le Havre ... we can hardly complain if Juve do the same to us. Its all part of the game .... and I won't hold it against him, he's just a young player looking to make the quickest start to his career. Nothing wrong with that.

If we cant afford him the opportunities he desires, and he is not contractually obligated to us, I don't see why any of us can throw any 'loyalty' or 'ethics' slurs against him.
 
Burrow said:
Well, MUTV just aired an interview with the lad and it seems like he's determined to stay on and fight for a spot. 'I want to be here, and I just want to play' was the jest of it I think
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Its the same interview that was shown before the palace match
 
The thing is that Fergie has not signed anyone knowing how huge a talent Pogba is to sort out our midfield in the future. The painful thing is that Pogba will not be ready for at least 2 maybe 3 more seasons to start breaking into the first team! Thats a hell of a long time to wait to sort out our midfield. I am thinking that we would probably be better off signing Rodwell for example as he is almost ready to fit in somewhere straight away! If Pogba did indeed refuse a nice contract offer then Good ridance and we move on!! But if its all bollox and he is staying than we badly need a stop gap for the next few years to play alongside Cleverley! Is De Rossi in the last year of his contract? He would be tasty on a free! Tiote would not be a bad idea either!
 
Ringo 07 said:
The thing is that Fergie has not signed anyone knowing how huge a talent Pogba is to sort out our midfield in the future. The painful thing is that Pogba will not be ready for at least 2 maybe 3 more seasons to start breaking into the first team! Thats a hell of a long time to wait to sort out our midfield. I am thinking that we would probably be better off signing Rodwell for example as he is almost ready to fit in somewhere straight away! If Pogba did indeed refuse a nice contract offer then Good ridance and we move on!! But if its all bollox and he is staying than we badly need a stop gap for the next few years to play alongside Cleverley! Is De Rossi in the last year of his contract? He would be tasty on a free! Tiote would not be a bad idea either!
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I would say Pogba and Morrison are already ahead of Rodwell in terms of talent. Only thing Rodwell has above the two kids is stamina ( Rodwell looks a real athlete) and experience, and that's only due to his age.
 
Ringo 07 said:
The thing is that Fergie has not signed anyone knowing how huge a talent Pogba is to sort out our midfield in the future. The painful thing is that Pogba will not be ready for at least 2 maybe 3 more seasons to start breaking into the first team! Thats a hell of a long time to wait to sort out our midfield.

I am thinking that we would probably be better off signing Rodwell for example as he is almost ready to fit in somewhere straight away! If Pogba did indeed refuse a nice contract offer then Good ridance and we move on!!

But if its all bollox and he is staying than we badly need a stop gap for the next few years to play alongside Cleverley! Is De Rossi in the last year of his contract? He would be tasty on a free! Tiote would not be a bad idea either!
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What makes you think Pogba won't be ready for three more seasons? He does not need that much time especially since we are playing with one striker more often than not nowadays. So the burden on him is not too much because he has two more people in midfield to help him out. And what makes you think Tiote or even Rodwell will be the answer to our midfield problems?
 
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