Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

pillory said:
They want to ruin Christmas for everyone with Twitter.
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Twitter is the gift that keeps on giving though! The current reactions of Liverpool fans is hilarious, apparently the FA haven't had enough time to fabricate evidence against the best player in the league!
 
Shimo said:
If they are taking this long then it would seem like it's because they've decided he is guilty but, whatever punishment they give him - they want to make sure they don't look overly harsh or lenient. If he they were finding him innocent then all they need to say the evidence / defense did enough to show no remarks were made in a racial manner.
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I think it's illegal issues who delay's the verdict. If they found him guilty there is a possibility there will be further investigations from the local police.

The FA is in bad position because if they not punish him Evra can chose to put in a legal claim. It will look extremely bad if the football governing body clear the offender and then the local court found him guilty of abuse.
 
7even said:
I think it's illegal issues who delay's the verdict. If they found him guilty there is a possibility there will be further investigations from the local police.

The FA is in bad position because if they not punish him Evra can chose to put in a legal claim. It will look extremely bad if the football governing body clear the offender and then the local court found him guilty of abuse.
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Its a very good point you make.

I have a feeling Evra and his legal advisors have reminded the FA of this eventuality.

Likewise, stating as s strategic imperative that the FA has 'Zero tolerance' towards racism, and Suarez's recents self admission of use of the word that is amongst the two most common racial slurs in the UK effectively is self admission of the crime. As many have pointed out, in just about any profession within the UK, this would have been wrapped up weeks ago and been a sackable offence.

Their problem is the impending John Terry Case and the precedence this will set.
 
As an aside, and I've not seen i discussed elsewhere, but how does everyone think Rio Ferdinand's relationship is like with John Terry, given his baby brother has gone ahead with a similar allegation?

Given Rio's ambassadorial role in the 'kick racism out of football' campaign as well as a very healthy sibling relationship, I'd have thought the Rio/Terry friendship (if ever there was one) would be severely tested.
 
The FA is interviewing candidates for a Director's role. Given the following quote, it would be a little bizarre if the FA fails to censure Suarez:

FA chairman David Bernstein is committed to increasing diversity of the board making Paul Elliott, a leading anti-racism campaigner with a distinguished playing record, favourite to take one of the seats.
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Heather Rabbatts interviewed for FA director role - Telegraph
 
sammsky1 said:
As an aside, and I've not seen i discussed elsewhere, but how does everyone think Rio Ferdinand's relationship is like with John Terry, given his baby brother has gone ahead with a similar allegation?

Given Rio's ambassadorial role in the 'kick racism out of football' campaign as well as a very healthy sibling relationship, I'd have thought the Rio/Terry friendship (if ever there was one) would be severely tested.
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Don't think they're close. Didn't Rio say there is a known racist in the England squad and everybody assumed it's Terry? Or did I dream that?

And there's all this back and forth with the captain's armband, Rio can't be too pleased about all that.
 
T2000 said:
Just a hunch, but im guessing they are delayin the ban so that either goofy only gets banned for upcoming easy games for liverpool or Evra gets a ban for uniteds harder games in the future.

Well the FA chairman is a scouse supporter? Isnt he?
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No, you've got your conspiracies mixed up there, he's a former Man City chairman. Of course, even if the FA chairman did have any links to Liverpool, the likelihood of him fixing the outcome of a racism case to make it a bit easier for Liverpool to win or United lose a couple of football games is about as likely as football fans reaching a sensible conclusion about the reason for the delay of a verdict.
 
T2000 said:
Just a hunch, but im guessing they are delayin the ban so that either goofy only gets banned for upcoming easy games for liverpool or Evra gets a ban for uniteds harder games in the future.

Well the FA chairman is a scouse supporter? Isnt he?
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No, he was ex City

Do you really believe this?
 
sammsky1 said:
So .... no news is very bad news for Suarez and Liverpool?

Yes or no?
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I guess it's bad news in that it is still up in the air and hanging over them this weekend. But we'll only find out what it really means on Tuesday.
 
they are yet to decide which english class he should be forced to attend, and for how long
 
Perhaps they need to bring in some extra manpower to count the number of months he lived in Holland and England before realising calling someone a Negrito isn't acceptable. In fairness to them they just don't have that many fingers.
 
The phrase in question is actually negro, and not negrito. So much for the Scousers and their pictures of ice-creams called Negrito.
 
sammsky1 said:
So .... no news is very bad news for Suarez and Liverpool?

Yes or no?
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Very bad news for the FA.

They are probably stacked between two bad decisions. I assume that their initial plan was to walk the middle road and try to please all parties. Probably is the evidence to damaging for that sort of solution. If they tries to be to lenient the hypocrite discussion will blow up in their face and they will leave the door wide open for Evra's legal team to take this to civil court. If they decide to punish Suarez according to his offense/crime they set a dangerous precedence for the future. As usual we look forward to a classic feck up. We are used to it..
 
I bet when the FA started this whole 'kick it out' campaign, they never imagined that they would be trying the most popular Liverpool player and the captain of England, or they might have have turned the tolerance meter up to 2, mentioned 'sensitivity training'.
 
7even said:
Very bad news for the FA.

They are probably stacked between two bad decisions. I assume that their initial plan was to walk the middle road and try to please all parties. Probably is the evidence to damaging for that sort of solution. If they tries to be to lenient the hypocrite discussion will blow up in their face and they will leave the door wide open for Evra's legal team to take this to civil court. If they decide to punish Suarez according to his offense/crime they set a dangerous precedence for the future. As usual we look forward to a classic feck up. We are used to it..
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gooDevil said:
I bet when the FA started this whole 'kick it out' campaign, they never imagined that they would be trying the most popular Liverpool player and the captain of England, or they might have have turned the tolerance meter up to 2, mentioned 'sensitivity training'.
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I guess this is the problem, loosing Terry for a 2nd time before a major international competition?

feck him off now quick and get a new England captain in well before it starts...
 
Henry Winter.

Too much resting on Luis Suarez and Patrice Evra case for judgment to be rushed

Reputations are at stake. Livelihoods could be on the line. That’s why the Suárez-Evra case has gone into extra time. That’s why the three wise men on the independent regulatory panel are right to take as long as they require.

Justice has its own clock, the hands turning at a speed that best serves the evenhanded application of law, not satisfying the clubs or those of us obsessed with headlines and deadlines.

Those sitting in judgment on Luis Suárez, and effectively Patrice Evra, are not the type to hurry matters. Paul Goulding is a QC who has worked on many time-consuming cases, Brian Jones is an experienced county FA man, while Denis Smith is a veteran football figure. They will march to their own pace, nobody else’s.

Good. This case is so complex, involving Suárez’s argument of “cultural differences” in explaining his exchange with Evra, that the more extended deliberation the better. If Suárez is found guilty of racism, his reputation will be shredded. None of the ear-biting, handballing, giving-fans-the-finger previous will have anything on this furore.

Racism is a curse in society that needs exorcising and the FA would relish the opportunity to make a point. It would also be difficult to see how Suárez could continue at Liverpool if guilty. So much is at risk. Some believe the delay means merely the commission simply debates the length of punishment for Suárez. But would he meekly accept a short ban anyway? The stigma of being judged a racist would remain.

And this is the modern world. With club lawyers crawling all over this, Goulding’s commission will know that any ruling must be watertight. Because Suárez will appeal. Liverpool will appeal. The panel must be prepared for every eventuality.

Although not charged, Evra also finds his reputation in the dock. He is a distinguished French international, an occasional Manchester United captain, and his honesty is being scrutinised. Evra deserves that the commission takes its time.

And this is not simply about two individuals. Liverpool, a club committed to diversity campaigns, would be deeply embarrassed if one of their best players were labelled a racist and sent into Purdah.

United would not want the fallout of one of their professionals being called a liar. Whatever the outcome, the clubs need some private meetings to address the bile between fans over Suárez-Evra and other skirmish-points.

Friday night’s 36-word FA statement declared “no announcement on any decision” would come before Tuesday “at the earliest”. Those who have spent long enough around the FA during disciplinary cases, and you need a good book to wile away the waiting hours (Tolstoy or Tolkien usually suffices), will know the judgment is often released early to clubs to prepare public responses.

Even if the clubs are informed on Monday, Goulding, Jones and Smith will have spent almost five days reflecting on the complexities, emotions and high stakes of the case. Quite right.
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Too much resting on Luis Suarez and Patrice Evra case for judgment to be rushed - Telegraph
 
as i said, it stands to logic that no news is very bad news for suarez.

winter is such a biased writer, its so blatant, its not funny! he is basicallt pleading with United to drop the matter. Never knew he was so pro scouse.
 
Well he ghosted king kennys autobiography and a quick google search tells me the guy is very good pals or at the very least very in awe of him

The stuff he writes on Daglish is positively rawkish.

The smear campaign on Evra by dirty Scouse cnuts on twitter and elsewhere is positively pathetic
 
Red4Ever said:
Well he ghosted king kennys autobiography and a quick google search tells me the guy is very good pals or at the very least very in awe of him

The stuff he writes on Daglish is positively rawkish.

The smear campaign on Evra by dirty Scouse cnuts on twitter and elsewhere is positively pathetic
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Yep. Absolutely disgusting. They're basically saying it's fine to racially abuse someone. it just shows what kind of people still exist in this country.
 
Maciek said:
Although not charged, Evra also finds his reputation in the dock. He is a distinguished French international, an occasional Manchester United captain, and his honesty is being scrutinised. Evra deserves that the commission takes its time.
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First of all Henry can feck off, Evra feels he was racially abused and Suarez has admitted it, his reputation wouldn't be in any kind of danger were it not for tossers like him and a scouser campaign against him. Second, he's not 'occasional Manchester United captain', he is Manchester United captain.
 
Chabon said:
First of all Henry can feck off, Evra feels he was racially abused and Suarez has admitted it, his reputation wouldn't be in any kind of danger were it not for tossers like him and a scouser campaign against him.
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Yep. The FA board can talk all they want in deciding whether it was friendly or how it would be seen in Uruguay. It WAS said.
 
Winter's piece is a little odd in mentioning Evra's honesty being under scrutiny, and saying United won't want one of it's players labelled a liar.

Suarez has admitted saying what Evra accused him of, his defence is not "I didn't say that", it's "I didn't mean it that way", so how can Evra possibly be accused of lying?
 
Maybe Paddy's simply not very popular with journalists, Mr N?
 
Cutch said:
Winters one of the fairest journalists around. If anything he has a hard on for United, he's constantly talkin up Uniteds youngsters. Loves Rafael and Ravel Morrison inparticular
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I generally like Henry Winter but its clear that he has been fed from the Liverpool side in his article.
 
R_Nick said:
Winter's piece is a little odd in mentioning Evra's honesty being under scrutiny, and saying United won't want one of it's players labelled a liar.

Suarez has admitted saying what Evra accused him of, his defence is not "I didn't say that", it's "I didn't mean it that way", so how can Evra possibly be accused of lying?
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This is what's absolutely idiotic about all of this. The entirety of their argument is that, at best, Evra should be punished for not understanding a cultural or linguistic nuance of a country he has no connection with.

They've basically decided that because Evra has some history with racism issues that they're going to paint him as the boy who cried wolf. Despite the fact that anyone with an IQ in double digits knows that that there's a much larger issue here.
 
Brophs said:
This is what's absolutely idiotic about all of this. The entirety of their argument is that, at best, Evra should be punished for not understanding a cultural or linguistic nuance of a country he has no connection with.

They've basically decided that because Evra has some history with racism issues that they're going to paint him as the boy who cried wolf. Despite the fact that anyone with an IQ in double digits knows that that there's a much larger issue here.
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Indeed. Unfortunately the bolded bit discounts far too many people in the world of football.
 
The three men of the Independent Regulatory Commission sitting in judgement on Luis Suarez's racial abuse charges will rise this morning, eat breakfast, flick through the newspapers and then go back to the worst bloody job in football at the moment.

Whichever way their judgement goes, Paul Goulding QC, Denis Smith (former manager of Sunderland, Wrexham among others) and Brian Jones (Sheffield and Hallamshire Football Association chairman) will be held up by an element of one set of supporters as incompetent, biased, useless – maybe even worse. You might say they are on a hiding to nothing.

The FA's charges against Suarez, which allege racism, touch a nerve right through British society, never mind English football...
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More:
Three wise men know they're damned either way in case of Suarez - The Independent
 
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