Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

Meanwhile, RAWK is decrying the evident lack of intelligence shown by critics of Luis Suarez:

And I think it's descended to ridiculous depths when people start using hair colour to draw a 'relevant' comparison to racism. It's ill-informed pseudo-intellectual bollocks and doesn't help the situation in the slightest.

its dangerous when we cant even tell if people are just taking a piss
 
To be fair, Johnson can and should support who he wants, when he wants, and shouldn't be goaded into not supporting someone (who may be a friend) just because he's mixed race.

However statements like this from Dalglish do make you wonder.

They will not divide the football club, no matter how hard they try

It implies a "we will not break ranks" siege mentality and anyone breaking ranks would look disastrous. However the point they all seem to be missing is that this isn't about Liverpool football club. This is about racist language being used, misundertood or not, on English football pitches and how to deal with that. The only people making this about Liverpool football club is Liverpool football club. Surprise fecking surprise.
 
Glen Johnson is a spineless moron.

As is Ian Wright...and the black Uruguayan National Football Coach who have both offered their support to Suarez and tut-tutted at Evra. :D

But don't worry 'you lot' have the wonderful FA, Durham and F365 on your side. :wenger::p
 
As is Ian Wright...and the black Uruguayan National Football Coach who have both offered their support to Suarez and tut-tutted at Evra. :D

But don't worry 'you lot' have the wonderful FA, Durham and F365 on your side. :wenger::p

He did say it though. Which renders everything the apologists say complete bollocks.

You support a guy found guilty of racial abuse. How proud you must be.
 
As is Ian Wright...and the black Uruguayan National Football Coach who have both offered their support to Suarez and tut-tutted at Evra. :D

But don't worry 'you lot' have the wonderful FA, Durham and F365 on your side. :wenger::p
Can you describe your reaction when you first saw this picture?

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It's not a question of taking sides, he's admitted it.

Seems to be all about taking sides from last night's game (wearing of shirts) and support coming out of the woodwork. As well the Adrian Durham interviews, and F365 making their stance, etc.

I'm sensing a competition building up.
 
As is Ian Wright...and the black Uruguayan National Football Coach who have both offered their support to Suarez and tut-tutted at Evra. :D

But don't worry 'you lot' have the wonderful FA, Durham and F365 on your side. :wenger::p

Damn, do you have a picture of them hugging? Because that would seal it.
 
Seems to be all about taking sides from last night's game (wearing of shirts) and support coming out of the woodwork. As well the Adrian Durham interviews, and F365 making their stance, etc.

I'm sensing a competition building up.

Yeah, battle of the brainless morons.

Meanwhile the rest of the country will just continue laughing at you lot!
 
Seems to be all about taking sides from last night's game (wearing of shirts) and support coming out of the woodwork. As well the Adrian Durham interviews, and F365 making their stance, etc.

I'm sensing a competition building up.

He's admitted it and subsequently been found guilty.

LFC should just accept the punishment and get on with it.
 
He's admitted it and subsequently been found guilty.

LFC should just accept the punishment and get on with it.

In a way I wish they would. Suarez needs a long rest and this is a great excuse to get the owners coughing out more millions for a finishing striker. But there seems to be more to this and support for him from surprising corners which is worth a listen.
 
As is Ian Wright...and the black Uruguayan National Football Coach who have both offered their support to Suarez and tut-tutted at Evra.

Well Wright is a brainless moron, everyone knows this, but I still quite like him, but he is again operating under the Liverpool FC promoted assertion that everyone is just going on Evra's word, despite Suarez admitting it.

If Suarez admitted it? Why the fudgedy feck are people still saying this? They're going on Suarez's word if anything? And also, why has the claim of "previously unfounded allegations" not been taken off Liverpool's website? Isn't that just blatant, flagrant, unfounded incitement?

Bonkers
 
In a way I wish they would. Suarez needs a long rest and this is a great excuse to get the owners coughing out more millions for a finishing striker. But there seems to be more to this and support for him from surprising corners which is worth a listen.

Wrighty and some twat from Suarez' home country. Yeah, great support that!

Bit like your actual support, brainless idiots.
 
why has the claim of "previously unfounded allegations" not been taken off Liverpool's website?

The club has borrowed the 'technique' of the supporters on message boards; in other words, wishful thinking: 'If you post it enough, it will become be true'.
 
I think United should put up a statement pointing out this as an example of Liverpool's previously unfounded allegations...But they wont. Because they don't have hysterical 14 year olds running their PR department.
 
In a way I wish they would. Suarez needs a long rest and this is a great excuse to get the owners coughing out more millions for a finishing striker. But there seems to be more to this and support for him from surprising corners which is worth a listen.

Does all this support for his character matter one jot though? Let's all agree's a lovely, non-racist guy. After all, evra himself had supposedly said as much (though Evra lies, so maybe we shouldn't get into that muddle again).

Even accepting this, he's still been found guilty of saying something totally unacceptable, and duly punished. Apologize, move on, surely?
 
Also, just listened to the Paul McGrath interview. While I get and agree with some of his points, he sort of negated them all by saying how much he loved Big Ron..Which sort of makes him having a go a Johnson a moot point. If Paul loved Big Ron and knew he wasn't racist, then Johnson is surely entitled to know Suarez isn't either is he? Especially when Big Ron's gaff was unequivocably worse. Though I'm sure big lazy nigger is indeed a term of endearment in Birmingham.

Bit muddled that.
 
He admitted to calling Evra "Negro".

He is arguing that it's perfectly OK where he comes from and that he did not mean to offend Evra.

He has not apologised for the offence the so called "misunderstanding" has caused Evra and instead his club started a smear campaign calling Evra a drama queen and saying (incorrectly and libellously) that he has used the race card in the past.

He's being serious for once. He said something I said earlier, Suarez only got 8 matches...because the IC took everything into consideration. He got off lightly.

For them, it's a perfect storm of perceived 'enemies':

1. The press (after the Hillsborough coverage)
2. The FA (for continually favouring United, of course)
3. Manchester United itself

These elements just reinforce the 'Us against Them' mentality, to the point where, it seems, everyone's a liar or an idiot unless they agree with LFC's position. Some aspects (see '1.') of this mindset are understandable, considering what Liverpool's people have gone through in relatively recent times; however, much of the angst truthfully stems from a non-acceptance of the club's failure to match United on & off-field. We'd expect this curious behaviour from some sections of the Liverpool support, but from the club itself? The management's support of Suarez seems like an unholy mixture of standing-by their player (commendable in theory; but not, it appears, in practice) and a desperate, wrongheaded plea for future loyalty from an important asset. In all this, Liverpool has failed to see the bigger picture - that the club genuinely is bigger than any player. It appears they are willing to sacrifice integrity for short-term success; it's obviously not about 'Us versus Them' - it's all about 'Us' or rather 'Me': outdated thinking & the desperation to succeed or be sacked (yes, Kenny...) and the continual patronisation of the club's fanbase by the owners...how long before CEO Ian Ayres starts muttering about 'breakaways' and 'seperate tv deals' again?

I think we all have to keep in mind this is the first real suspension of note for a prominent player charged with such an offense.

Pexbo's comment shows how out to lunch they (they being LFC players management and lawyers, and Suarez and his handlers are)... and how they missed an opportunity to show everyone that LFC is about fair play and sporting issues. We all get it, sometimes in the heat of battle, players say things they shouldn't... and no battle is hotter than us vs Liverpool. Even once it appeared that the tide was turning against Suarez, if the player had held up his hand and sincerely claimed that he had done this, and said something along the lines of "I didn't think I was being offensive, but I now know and understand that what I did was not acceptable"... I'm quite sure he would have been slapped with a smaller ban akin to Rooney's swearing to the TV cameras. Couple that with the club wearing some anti-racism shirts and some choice photo ops of Suarez doing some community service in black neighborhoods and LFC could have come away from this incident with a degree of respect.

Instead they chose to attack everyone and put the blame on everyone but themselves. And I don't mean turning their back on Suarez (in theory i see the point of standing up for the player, but not in the manner they did). Players have come back from off the pitch racist incidents (Woodgate for one). SteveJ hit the nail on the head with his comments... time to put an end to the "self pity city" moniker.

I notice that several prominent current and former Black players have come out and spoken out about the shirts LFC wore in warm up yesterday... good for them. Those voices need to be heard. I haven't gone through this rather large thread, but have there been any meaningful quotes from former / current black Liverpool players John Barnes, Paul Ince, Glen Johnson... ect?

And one last thing... Liverpool... you thing the FA is harsh on YOU and that we have them in our back pocket?!?

1. Cantona (the longest ban imposed for an on-field incident in FA history)

2. Ferdinand (6 month ban for the very same offense a City player... the team hardly matters TBF... had done several months prior and received no ban at all... who then passed a much more stringent drugs test later that same day, which he paid for himself) This one still pisses me off

3 Ronney (3 game ban for swearing in APRIL... while United were in the hunt for 3 trophies... 3 games for swearing, really?!?)

Yep, we really do have the FA on our side
 
You have to wonder why Suarez did not take up the option 204Red mentioned (an apology; a 'cultural misunderstanding' explanation; some 'good works' to boost his public image). I've written previously that Suarez's public statements lack the righteous anger of those who are innocent of a perceived offence; his tone comes across as more apologetic than rightly furious - and who wouldn't be as outspoken as, say, John Terry has been, regardless of his guilt or innocence? Could it be that Suarez knows he's guilty, initially lied to Dalglish & co, and now realises that it's far too late to repair the damage?
 
Glen "Uncle Tom" Johnson had little or no choice over wearing that Suarez shirt to be fair.
 
Glen "Uncle Tom" Johnson had little or no choice over wearing that Suarez shirt to be fair.
Most likely. But just imagine if he'd refused:

1) He's the only Liverpool player without the t-shirt on, and happens to be the only black player, or;

2) He's dropped, and happens to be the only black player.

The media would go mental.

Anyway, this isn't helping the debate. But I just wonder what might have been going through Johnson's mind. He really didn't have a choice. I'm not saying he wanted one though, he's probably as stupid as the rest.
 
Didn't realise how dumb Dumpstar could be. He's trying to make an issue of racism into a bleeding pissing contest!