Full credit to Collymore. As I've said, I've been far from his biggest fan in the past but he's really putting himself out to stand up on this one.
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I find it all a bit odd and time-warped like going back to the 70s.
Someone made another Tumblr like that last one - Racist-Arseholes
I find this whole thing a bit repulsive now. I can't see even a glimpse of humour in it any more. Liverpool's stance and the blinkered response of their fans is truly shameful.
its like they were all just waiting for a trigger to let their inner racism out
twats
twats
I'm with Rowem on the above. I just had a look at the twitter page of one of the racist gob-shites highlighted by Collymore, as he took a load of criticism and gave back more vile abuse. It appears the guy has two young sons, and I just can't see them having a chance with a father like that.
tbf those posting and tweeting surely must be a small minority who support the club.
But it is obvious the irresponsible stance of the club has not helped reduce the number of these people coming out.
I still hope clearer heads will eventually prevail over there and they defuse this soon.
Aye it's beyond funny now. At first the shock of their stance alone made it hilarious but now that its sunk in its left a really very nasty stain on their football club, and on the relationship between the two sides. I really did like him before but I've also lost all respect for Dalglish too when I saw him stood in that ridiculous t-shirt.
Just as soon as they (inevitably) boo Evra, Liverpool fans will get a horrendous, lasting reputation as racists for themselves too, which of course they aren't, they are just being fecking moronic. It would just be such a horrible experience for Patrice too, being booed simply for reporting someone who called you a negro ten times.
Sir Alex Ferguson says Luis Suárez ban was 'right decision'
Sir Alex Ferguson says Luis Suárez ban was 'right decision' | Football | The Guardian
Sir Alex Ferguson says Manchester United were 'astounded' by Patrice Evra's four-match ban in 2008 for an incident with a Chelsea groundsman but had accepted it. Photograph: Laurent Gillieron/EPA
Sir Alex Ferguson has broken his silence on the Luis Suárez affair, describing the Liverpool striker's eight-match ban for racially abusing Patrice Evra as "the right decision" and indicating that the Anfield club should accept the guilty verdict.
Liverpool's vigorous defence of the Uruguayan, including the controversial decision to warm up for their game at Wigan in Suárez T-shirts, has led to widespread criticism throughout the game. Ferguson was not willing to talk about Liverpool's protest statement, in which they described Evra as "not reliable" and called on the Football Association to issue a separate charge against the Manchester United defender, but he made clear that the Premier League champions felt vindicated.
"Our support of Patrice was obvious right from the word go and that's still the same. The matter is over and I think we're satisfied that they [the FA's independent commission] found the right decision. This wasn't about Manchester United and Liverpool at all. It was nothing to do with that. This was an individual situation where one person was racially abused."
Liverpool maintain that was not the case, despite Suárez reportedly admitting using the word "negro", and are now waiting for the commission chairman, Paul Goulding QC, to deliver his full written findings before deciding whether to lodge an appeal.
That risks an even longer ban and Ferguson drew a parallel with the way United reacted when Evra was banned for four matches in 2008 for becoming embroiled in a post-match fight with Sam Bethell, a Chelsea groundsman. The club, he pointed out, had accepted the verdict.
"Patrice got that suspension for the incident down at Chelsea when no one was there, just a groundsman and our fitness coach. He got a four-match ban and we had to wait two weeks for the evidence to come through. We were quite astounded at that. A four-match ban? We thought it was well over the top for a trivial incident. But it happened and there's nothing you can do about it, you know."
The insinuation was that Liverpool should accept Suárez's guilt but there is no sign of that from Anfield, with Kenny Dalglish maintaining he had no regrets over the T-shirt protest and aggressive wording of their statement.
"The club have issued a statement and the players have made their statement both visually and verbally," said Dalglish. "The statement couldn't have caused anybody any trouble. I don't think the players have caused any trouble with the FA either with their statement or by their support with the T-shirts. If we are not in any trouble, we will just leave it at that before we do get into any trouble."
Dalglish said "it might be weeks" before the commission's findings are made public and believes the verdict and the reasons for it should have been released simultaneously. In the vacuum, the Liverpool manager fears opposition crowds will declare open season on Suárez, as was the case at the DW Stadium on Wednesday.
He said: "I wouldn't think it is helpful to anybody that it [the verdict] is done before we have seen the written documents. If that's the way they have always done it then we cannot complain. I wouldn't know because I have never been involved in anything like this before.
"They [the Football Association] run the game; we don't, do we? Whether you agree with it is another matter. In another walk of life, they would have walked away and waited until they had it ready. But this is what happened. I think where they have to be more supportive is the reaction from people – and the antagonism of the crowds – towards Luis. That is the great problem."
The Liverpool manager believes the fallout from the complex case will be far-reaching for the FA. "It would be helpful to everyone if someone gave us some guidelines about what you can and cannot say," he argued. Yet despite his concerns over the hostility towards Suárez, who is also facing an improper conduct charge for allegedly making an offensive gesture towards Fulham supporters at Craven Cottage on 5 December, Dalglish is adamant the 24-year-old can handle the scrutiny.
"Obviously he would be better off without it, but he is a strong enough character and he has handled it very well up to now so I wouldn't expect him to show anything other than total strength. If Luis is fit and well, he will be considered for the matches until such time that he is under sanction."
Ferguson is clearly unimpressed with the lengths to which Liverpool have gone, including Dalglish's decision to wear a Suaárez T-shirt during a television interview on Wednesday. "I don't need to talk about it," he said, before adding pointedly: "I'm happy with how I run my club."
The United manager was asked whether he fears it will worsen the rivalry between the two clubs. "This is the biggest derby game in the country," he replied. "It's never needed anything to light the powder keg; it's always there."
Sir Alex Ferguson says Luis Suárez ban was 'right decision' | Football | The Guardian
Sir Alex Ferguson says Manchester United were 'astounded' by Patrice Evra's four-match ban in 2008 for an incident with a Chelsea groundsman but had accepted it. Photograph: Laurent Gillieron/EPA
Sir Alex Ferguson has broken his silence on the Luis Suárez affair, describing the Liverpool striker's eight-match ban for racially abusing Patrice Evra as "the right decision" and indicating that the Anfield club should accept the guilty verdict.
Liverpool's vigorous defence of the Uruguayan, including the controversial decision to warm up for their game at Wigan in Suárez T-shirts, has led to widespread criticism throughout the game. Ferguson was not willing to talk about Liverpool's protest statement, in which they described Evra as "not reliable" and called on the Football Association to issue a separate charge against the Manchester United defender, but he made clear that the Premier League champions felt vindicated.
"Our support of Patrice was obvious right from the word go and that's still the same. The matter is over and I think we're satisfied that they [the FA's independent commission] found the right decision. This wasn't about Manchester United and Liverpool at all. It was nothing to do with that. This was an individual situation where one person was racially abused."
Liverpool maintain that was not the case, despite Suárez reportedly admitting using the word "negro", and are now waiting for the commission chairman, Paul Goulding QC, to deliver his full written findings before deciding whether to lodge an appeal.
That risks an even longer ban and Ferguson drew a parallel with the way United reacted when Evra was banned for four matches in 2008 for becoming embroiled in a post-match fight with Sam Bethell, a Chelsea groundsman. The club, he pointed out, had accepted the verdict.
"Patrice got that suspension for the incident down at Chelsea when no one was there, just a groundsman and our fitness coach. He got a four-match ban and we had to wait two weeks for the evidence to come through. We were quite astounded at that. A four-match ban? We thought it was well over the top for a trivial incident. But it happened and there's nothing you can do about it, you know."
The insinuation was that Liverpool should accept Suárez's guilt but there is no sign of that from Anfield, with Kenny Dalglish maintaining he had no regrets over the T-shirt protest and aggressive wording of their statement.
"The club have issued a statement and the players have made their statement both visually and verbally," said Dalglish. "The statement couldn't have caused anybody any trouble. I don't think the players have caused any trouble with the FA either with their statement or by their support with the T-shirts. If we are not in any trouble, we will just leave it at that before we do get into any trouble."
Dalglish said "it might be weeks" before the commission's findings are made public and believes the verdict and the reasons for it should have been released simultaneously. In the vacuum, the Liverpool manager fears opposition crowds will declare open season on Suárez, as was the case at the DW Stadium on Wednesday.
He said: "I wouldn't think it is helpful to anybody that it [the verdict] is done before we have seen the written documents. If that's the way they have always done it then we cannot complain. I wouldn't know because I have never been involved in anything like this before.
"They [the Football Association] run the game; we don't, do we? Whether you agree with it is another matter. In another walk of life, they would have walked away and waited until they had it ready. But this is what happened. I think where they have to be more supportive is the reaction from people – and the antagonism of the crowds – towards Luis. That is the great problem."
The Liverpool manager believes the fallout from the complex case will be far-reaching for the FA. "It would be helpful to everyone if someone gave us some guidelines about what you can and cannot say," he argued. Yet despite his concerns over the hostility towards Suárez, who is also facing an improper conduct charge for allegedly making an offensive gesture towards Fulham supporters at Craven Cottage on 5 December, Dalglish is adamant the 24-year-old can handle the scrutiny.
"Obviously he would be better off without it, but he is a strong enough character and he has handled it very well up to now so I wouldn't expect him to show anything other than total strength. If Luis is fit and well, he will be considered for the matches until such time that he is under sanction."
Ferguson is clearly unimpressed with the lengths to which Liverpool have gone, including Dalglish's decision to wear a Suaárez T-shirt during a television interview on Wednesday. "I don't need to talk about it," he said, before adding pointedly: "I'm happy with how I run my club."
The United manager was asked whether he fears it will worsen the rivalry between the two clubs. "This is the biggest derby game in the country," he replied. "It's never needed anything to light the powder keg; it's always there."
I can't believe that there is much debate about all this but it seems that people (and by people I mean almost everyone who has ever worked for, supported or played for Liverpool) have lost the plot and/or missed the point.
1) Suarez was not charged with being a member of the KKK or with reinventing slavery or of not having sufficient black relatives or friends. He was charged with using "abusive and/or insulting words and/or behavior contrary to FA rules" including "a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Patrice Evra". This is something that Suarez has admitted from day one. He just doesn't think any sanction should apply to him because the term can be used in his home country without necessarily being an insult, racist or otherwise. That he was obviously not using whatever term he was in a friendly way negates his defense anyway but that doesn't really matter since he admitted the charge. ADMITTED IT. The actual charge and not whatever Liverpool types would like him to have been charged with so they could say he was innocent.
2) Ignorance of the law is no defense. It really isn't. Try telling a court that you are innocent of speeding on the motorway because you are German and they have limit free Autobahns. It won't work funnily enough.
3) Ignorance of the law CAN be mitigation but usually this involves you admitting the offense and then saying why the full force of law (or in this case regulation) shouldn't apply to you in sentencing terms. But Suarez didn't do this. He denied it outright by pleading not guilty and then immediately admitting it in his evidence. Duh. 8 weeks seems to be the standard ban for this offense but players who have admitted the charge and apologized have had up to 5 weeks of the ban suspended. Suarez would probably have been given a much lighter sentence if he had admitted it and said that it was a genuine cultural misunderstanding and apologised to Evra.
4) Who on earth has been advising and/or guiding Liverpool and Suarez in this matter? Their handling of this has, at best, been an amateurish disaster and at worst an overtly paranoid defamation of Evra while undermining the anti-racism gains that have been made in the game over the last couple of decades. It seems hard to believe that Liverpool's owners and/or lawyers sanctioned much of anything given the silliness of what has gone on at the Liverpool end from day one. Dalglish should hang his head in shame but we know that he crumbles under pressure so some of his actions aren't as big a surprise as they would be otherwise. But did he put out that bizarre statement after the verdict without first getting official sanction? Surely not? And where did he get a stroppy teenage fan to write it for him?
1) Suarez was not charged with being a member of the KKK or with reinventing slavery or of not having sufficient black relatives or friends. He was charged with using "abusive and/or insulting words and/or behavior contrary to FA rules" including "a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Patrice Evra". This is something that Suarez has admitted from day one. He just doesn't think any sanction should apply to him because the term can be used in his home country without necessarily being an insult, racist or otherwise. That he was obviously not using whatever term he was in a friendly way negates his defense anyway but that doesn't really matter since he admitted the charge. ADMITTED IT. The actual charge and not whatever Liverpool types would like him to have been charged with so they could say he was innocent.
2) Ignorance of the law is no defense. It really isn't. Try telling a court that you are innocent of speeding on the motorway because you are German and they have limit free Autobahns. It won't work funnily enough.
3) Ignorance of the law CAN be mitigation but usually this involves you admitting the offense and then saying why the full force of law (or in this case regulation) shouldn't apply to you in sentencing terms. But Suarez didn't do this. He denied it outright by pleading not guilty and then immediately admitting it in his evidence. Duh. 8 weeks seems to be the standard ban for this offense but players who have admitted the charge and apologized have had up to 5 weeks of the ban suspended. Suarez would probably have been given a much lighter sentence if he had admitted it and said that it was a genuine cultural misunderstanding and apologised to Evra.
4) Who on earth has been advising and/or guiding Liverpool and Suarez in this matter? Their handling of this has, at best, been an amateurish disaster and at worst an overtly paranoid defamation of Evra while undermining the anti-racism gains that have been made in the game over the last couple of decades. It seems hard to believe that Liverpool's owners and/or lawyers sanctioned much of anything given the silliness of what has gone on at the Liverpool end from day one. Dalglish should hang his head in shame but we know that he crumbles under pressure so some of his actions aren't as big a surprise as they would be otherwise. But did he put out that bizarre statement after the verdict without first getting official sanction? Surely not? And where did he get a stroppy teenage fan to write it for him?
Absolutely correct from Fergie. This isn't about Utd v Liverpool, it's about stopping racism in football.
So Doglish needs someone to tell him and his players that calling others 'negro' is wrong?
If you're that fecking ignorant that you really need that, probably best just to keep your gob shut.
(You fecking childish, cretinous, legacy-destroying gimp).
He's coming across as one of those "They even made Robertsons take the gollywog off their jam jars" types isn't he?
Thank God no-one has declared open season on Patrice Evra. I am sure if anyone did, Liverpool FC would try to distance themselves from the comments.
Des Kelly: When it comes to crass protest, Kenny's been there, done that... and got the T-shirt | Mail Online
Great article on both racism incidents.
My memories poor but what exactly happened when evra got his 4 match ban? Liverpool fans keep saying he's done it before.
They say Evra claimed he had been abused (because it fits their narrative) during the incident with Chelsea ground staff when in reality he was not the one who reported the incident. It was infact Mike Phelan who said that their staff member had been abusive, and the man in question was fined for his behaviour but there was not enough evidence found to substantiate Phelan's accusation.
Obviously contrasts with the Suarez situation where he supposedly admitted using a variation of the word negro.
That's an accurate, classy response from Fergie.
We didn't go on and on about it when Evra got banned, we just took our punishment on the chin and let it go.
I'm not surprised Liverpool wanted to appeal Suarez's punishment, but I am surprised at their over-the-top, t-shirt-wearing reaction to it. It's beyond pathetic and shows a lack of class and decency on their part.
What they've done to their case is counter-productive in the extreme, to the point where they're becoming (or have become) an absolute laughing stock. Well done, lads.
We didn't go on and on about it when Evra got banned, we just took our punishment on the chin and let it go.
I'm not surprised Liverpool wanted to appeal Suarez's punishment, but I am surprised at their over-the-top, t-shirt-wearing reaction to it. It's beyond pathetic and shows a lack of class and decency on their part.
What they've done to their case is counter-productive in the extreme, to the point where they're becoming (or have become) an absolute laughing stock. Well done, lads.
feck me. The reactions have been surprising from all corners to this. From an eruption of unteathered public race-hate like we have never seen on social networking sites that had apparently been bubbling under the surface with people naively thinking about how much progress we had made as a society catching many of us unaware and shocking us with the ferocity of the comments to the likes of Stan Collymore and commentators in such unlikely champions of equality as the Telegraph and the Daily Mail coming out strongly against Liverpool's stance on this issue. It's all very unnerving.
He was banned for fighting with the groundsman. There was a claim made by Mike Phelan and our goalkeeping coach at the time that he had called Evra a "fecking immigrant" or something, but the inquiry disagreed with that account while Evra claimed he had not heard any such comment anyway. Liverpool fans have currently been rewriting the events and claiming that Evra was banned for lying about being racially abused, which is - of course - utter nonsense.
If you want to shut them up, there is a Liverpool blog that states the facts: Debunking LFC myths: No 11 – Patrice Evra has a history of race complaints | Liverpool-Kop.com | Liverpool FC News, features, statistics and analysis
Here is the FA's report into the incident broken down: The FA Stitched Us Up Again… The Evra Report Broken Down
Cue over the top reaction from Liverpool supporters (I'm going to stop calling them scousers for political correctness) that this was all 'masterminded' by Fergie and his latest press conference is a proof that he has always been behind the whole thing.
I mean, you can only be so much stupid.
I mean, you can only be so much stupid.
the fa should make all the evidence/testamony public. (a lazy comment as i've only skimmed over some of the posts.)
Good to see a Liverpool fan talking the actual truth.
Too bad there are Liverpool fans commenting on that actual article still saying "Evra is playing the race card again"
The comments section of that is unbelievable...It's just people who steadfastly refuse to believe things they don't want to. Even when presented, relentlessly, and undeniably with facts. Or will, alternatively, immediately ignore them and try and focus on something else instead. It's actually become incredibly depressing and dull now. Though fair play to that lad for at least trying.
They don't believe in facts. Only "fachts" that their glorious leader reads to them in press conferences. Anything that isn't fachtual is blasphemy.What frightens me is even the usually sane Liverpool-supporters I know have indulged in this tribal nonsense, sticking up for Suarez as if this was a calculated, planned attack on their club and their innocent star striker. Even not taking into account the expected cringeworthy "Justice for Suarez"-stuff, the sane fans I know simply refuse to believe that Suarez is anything other than innocent, and that the FA just has decided to feck him over.
What's even stranger is this anger directed towards Evra. I just don't understand it. What's he done wrong? Do they believe he's lying? Suarez has admitted what Evra claims, that's why he's found guilty ffs. Are they angry because he told anyone that Suarez was abusing him?
When Rooney behaves like a twat, I'm almost always embarassed by it, and calls him out for it. Why do they feel the need to sacrifice usual principles to defend a man who's at best an ignorant, vile man who uttered racial abuse at a fellow player?
What's even stranger is this anger directed towards Evra. I just don't understand it. What's he done wrong? Do they believe he's lying? Suarez has admitted what Evra claims, that's why he's found guilty ffs. Are they angry because he told anyone that Suarez was abusing him?
When Rooney behaves like a twat, I'm almost always embarassed by it, and calls him out for it. Why do they feel the need to sacrifice usual principles to defend a man who's at best an ignorant, vile man who uttered racial abuse at a fellow player?
two words: Manchester United
And two more - no principles
On the largest Hungarian newssite, a Liverpool fan wrote a piece saying that Evra's a gimp and it was all a show trial and Suarez did nothing wrong.
I've emailed him setting his 'facts' straight, most of which he had no answer, yet the article is still up, spreading lies.
Spot on. Except I think that when the commission publish their reasoning, they will say that they have let Suarez off lightly and that they accepted the argument around cultural misunderstanding. Otherwise they'd have banned him for much longer, probably at least six months.
This is all very depressing, particularly LFC's reaction to it. I hope they come to their senses soon.
I think Liverpool's stance on this throughout the saga and their misguided reaction to the ban has actually made the perception of Suarez even worse
All the Liverpool fans I know are peddling the same shite as Dalglish or are remaining silent on the issue. Not a single one has said that Suarez was in the wrong. 90% of my friends and acquaintances are Liverpool fans. It's amazing the response (or lack of it) from people I held in high regard.
Jesus, hard luck.
Hungarians are an odd lot I tell ya.......
Suarez was a football comrade Pelikan
Pelican Comrade great sin of witnesses, slaughtered a pig in the fifties, so the first round can be sentenced to death. Bacso Peter's film, saying he did an exemplary punishment imposed for an offense is just as correlated as Luis Suarez eight meccses ban, which was an alleged négerezésért.
Anyone who has football changed once, or sitting in a random football stadium in the first five rows in one of the very well know that the game during the fotballisták a passion kurvaanyázzák each other, opponents, coaches and umpires, as if they really meant it. In such a situation, released me feck you hit a good son of a bitch has roughly as many meanings as in the morning , or that which releases the porter in the building foyer.
Luis Suarez, Liverpool FC striker urugayi the match against Manchester United Patrice Evra said leniggerezte [1] , defender of the guests, which is not nice, in fact, express brutishness - if at all happened. Let us take for granted now accounts for Evra, and believe him to Suarez in the Negritos used the word at least ten times. I do want to let us intervene in quickly to a single record, ear witnesses, and even the referee's report is not supported by the left-BEKK words, so this case is roughly like the enemy frog men guy leather sewn tin cans for communications minister Witness movie.
But I say, play with the idea that there was negritózás several times, passion. If you think that Luis Suarez with muscle leniggerezte Evra, has not yet been in a situation where the adrenaline thousand works in the body, and every nerve breaking tension, the root opponent to point at the last minute flick from her the Zsuga or kicking popliteal from behind. This is not the niggerezés what was altogether a slave plantation, which Been to cut military Rosa Parks on the bus there [2] , or what the South African economy fröcsög face contorted with hatred. Luis Suarez is part black.
Evra, and vote for lending again, is another matter. This is at least the sixth such incident having denounced someone who said something to him - so far in the FA drove the feck off of the beef with, but now statuáltak like Pelican black comrade for cutting and Suarez elmeszelték eight match. This is an exceptionally severe punishment, careers cut in half injury estimate fails for swimming so much, especially not in niggerezésért. So far, two cases had such a case, the FA's discipline discipline - both were fine in the end. Eight-match ban for two months, a long and terrible punishment disproportionate in a case where the guilt is just a sinner, no proof.
The minutes are not included in the incident, the referee and the case is not too far situated assistant had not heard anything (Evra is a specific miff of printing up to Suarez, and only later indicated that the striker's end provoked), one in Manchester or Liverpool player ever heard lenégereztek that anyone would have. Evra after the match because he said he believes what he said Suarez, but the referee did not mention in the official report, but reported separately to the FA, as accused Suarez. During testing, the FA disciplinary committee of Evra but the truth, with Suarez defense (did not say it, but if you do, the Negritos are not racist expression) was not addressed.
But would not hurt. Gustavo Poyet, the former Tottenham Excellence, Suarez by his compatriot Evra hisztizik only, and the case is a typical Liverpool-Manchester mess that has nothing to do with racism. According to Poyet, who has such an illustrious career has not heard of this and much harsher statements, in a hysterical bitch (I did not say, but we agree), and only kiröhögteti himself. Suarez is not hooted in his face, as Henry has one game in a full stadium, no banana tossing it like Roberto Carlos in Russia, but the Negritos used the word, as in Uruguay and in general in South and Latin American Spanish-speaking part of the only means to that a person's skin a bit darker.
"Not a racist statement, not insulting or offensive words, such as the English at the Scousert used liverpoliakra or Geordie was the Newscastle in people. I understand why at outrage in the British case, but I have 14 years of living here, Luis at just 365 days, let him be a little time to come in to clean habits. "
The same he wrote Tom Vickery, BBC South American football expert, who according to the FA guilty of huge folly. "Suarez grew up in a country whose national team has played well in 1916, black football players, and where in the 1950 World Champion team coach of El Jefe Negro Negro boss is the nickname fit." Vickery and Poyet also mentions that the Negro, Negro and Uruguay Negritos words about the guy, buddy (mate) used in the report, those who have darker skin than white. Eyes to see racism in this hypocrisy.
Liverpool, of course, the full width of chest stands next to the striker, and they appealed the decision, but I have a feeling, to no avail. The FA thoroughly with caught a piszlicsáré case in which a similar game or sixty times occur, but very dangerous precedent, because now it is enough to point out, say, the games continue végigkáromkodó Wayne Rooney, and say that lenégerezett several times, including in my ear, and even csulázott there is a foam ones. The FA is in front of one other case is similar, in which Anton Ferdinand John Terry said something, I wonder what kind of punishment they are born.
Pelican Comrade great sin of witnesses, slaughtered a pig in the fifties, so the first round can be sentenced to death. Bacso Peter's film, saying he did an exemplary punishment imposed for an offense is just as correlated as Luis Suarez eight meccses ban, which was an alleged négerezésért.
Anyone who has football changed once, or sitting in a random football stadium in the first five rows in one of the very well know that the game during the fotballisták a passion kurvaanyázzák each other, opponents, coaches and umpires, as if they really meant it. In such a situation, released me feck you hit a good son of a bitch has roughly as many meanings as in the morning , or that which releases the porter in the building foyer.
Luis Suarez, Liverpool FC striker urugayi the match against Manchester United Patrice Evra said leniggerezte [1] , defender of the guests, which is not nice, in fact, express brutishness - if at all happened. Let us take for granted now accounts for Evra, and believe him to Suarez in the Negritos used the word at least ten times. I do want to let us intervene in quickly to a single record, ear witnesses, and even the referee's report is not supported by the left-BEKK words, so this case is roughly like the enemy frog men guy leather sewn tin cans for communications minister Witness movie.
But I say, play with the idea that there was negritózás several times, passion. If you think that Luis Suarez with muscle leniggerezte Evra, has not yet been in a situation where the adrenaline thousand works in the body, and every nerve breaking tension, the root opponent to point at the last minute flick from her the Zsuga or kicking popliteal from behind. This is not the niggerezés what was altogether a slave plantation, which Been to cut military Rosa Parks on the bus there [2] , or what the South African economy fröcsög face contorted with hatred. Luis Suarez is part black.
Evra, and vote for lending again, is another matter. This is at least the sixth such incident having denounced someone who said something to him - so far in the FA drove the feck off of the beef with, but now statuáltak like Pelican black comrade for cutting and Suarez elmeszelték eight match. This is an exceptionally severe punishment, careers cut in half injury estimate fails for swimming so much, especially not in niggerezésért. So far, two cases had such a case, the FA's discipline discipline - both were fine in the end. Eight-match ban for two months, a long and terrible punishment disproportionate in a case where the guilt is just a sinner, no proof.
The minutes are not included in the incident, the referee and the case is not too far situated assistant had not heard anything (Evra is a specific miff of printing up to Suarez, and only later indicated that the striker's end provoked), one in Manchester or Liverpool player ever heard lenégereztek that anyone would have. Evra after the match because he said he believes what he said Suarez, but the referee did not mention in the official report, but reported separately to the FA, as accused Suarez. During testing, the FA disciplinary committee of Evra but the truth, with Suarez defense (did not say it, but if you do, the Negritos are not racist expression) was not addressed.
But would not hurt. Gustavo Poyet, the former Tottenham Excellence, Suarez by his compatriot Evra hisztizik only, and the case is a typical Liverpool-Manchester mess that has nothing to do with racism. According to Poyet, who has such an illustrious career has not heard of this and much harsher statements, in a hysterical bitch (I did not say, but we agree), and only kiröhögteti himself. Suarez is not hooted in his face, as Henry has one game in a full stadium, no banana tossing it like Roberto Carlos in Russia, but the Negritos used the word, as in Uruguay and in general in South and Latin American Spanish-speaking part of the only means to that a person's skin a bit darker.
"Not a racist statement, not insulting or offensive words, such as the English at the Scousert used liverpoliakra or Geordie was the Newscastle in people. I understand why at outrage in the British case, but I have 14 years of living here, Luis at just 365 days, let him be a little time to come in to clean habits. "
The same he wrote Tom Vickery, BBC South American football expert, who according to the FA guilty of huge folly. "Suarez grew up in a country whose national team has played well in 1916, black football players, and where in the 1950 World Champion team coach of El Jefe Negro Negro boss is the nickname fit." Vickery and Poyet also mentions that the Negro, Negro and Uruguay Negritos words about the guy, buddy (mate) used in the report, those who have darker skin than white. Eyes to see racism in this hypocrisy.
Liverpool, of course, the full width of chest stands next to the striker, and they appealed the decision, but I have a feeling, to no avail. The FA thoroughly with caught a piszlicsáré case in which a similar game or sixty times occur, but very dangerous precedent, because now it is enough to point out, say, the games continue végigkáromkodó Wayne Rooney, and say that lenégerezett several times, including in my ear, and even csulázott there is a foam ones. The FA is in front of one other case is similar, in which Anton Ferdinand John Terry said something, I wonder what kind of punishment they are born.
One of my closest friend, who is a die hard Liverpool supporter, is a professor in economics at our University. I hold him, a established family man close to 50 years old, as a very wise man with lots of common sense but regarding the Suarez case he's blind of hate and have lost all objectivity what so ever. We can't even discuss the subject in a civil manner. It's beyond ridicules.
Before the verdict he was so sure, I will say over confident on a level not appropriate to a man with his education, that Suarez was not guilty that his entire defense was to laugh out high when I tried to explain my view over the incident. "You are deluded if you think the FA will buy this nonsense" and "you can't discuss with a United fan because all of you are blind regarding everything involving your club" was two of his matured comments. Oh my sweet lord the irony is to much...
After the verdict I text messaged him with only a short line, I wrote "Guilty - 8 match ban". He replayed "feck off idiot!". The conversation went on I a tried to be humble and saying maybe the jury have evidence we don't have and that the word "negro" is in fact offensive, especially in a high profile game between Pool - United, whatever your intentions.
Even up till today he's refusing to discuss the subject or that his beloved Liverpool have done anything wrong. They are victims and United and the FA are scum, and btw Evra can go to hell.
This stance, from a respectable man with lots of education and power, is remarkable and beyond all proportions. He sounds like a blinded teenager with his red replica on without any common sense and objectivity. It's insane and I'm shocked.
If not even a man like my friend can behave and act civilized what can you expects from the younger guns and the local die hard supporters? It's tragic and to witness this bitter hate is sad on all levels.
Not sure if this has already been mentioned but,
Isn't it a libellous statement from LFC regarding Evra's alleged previous false reporting of racist incidents?
The facts are, one incident was reported by a fan and the other by Utd staff. I'm sure such false accusations (which lets be honest, have really fed the fire for much of the rubish thats being sprouted at the moment) could lead to a sucessful court case if Evra decided to sue LFC for defamation.
Isn't it a libellous statement from LFC regarding Evra's alleged previous false reporting of racist incidents?
The facts are, one incident was reported by a fan and the other by Utd staff. I'm sure such false accusations (which lets be honest, have really fed the fire for much of the rubish thats being sprouted at the moment) could lead to a sucessful court case if Evra decided to sue LFC for defamation.
Hungarians are an odd lot I tell ya.......
Suarez was a football comrade Pelikan
Pelican Comrade great sin of witnesses, slaughtered a pig in the fifties, so the first round can be sentenced to death. Bacso Peter's film, saying he did an exemplary punishment imposed for an offense is just as correlated as Luis Suarez eight meccses ban, which was an alleged négerezésért.
Anyone who has football changed once, or sitting in a random football stadium in the first five rows in one of the very well know that the game during the fotballisták a passion kurvaanyázzák each other, opponents, coaches and umpires, as if they really meant it. In such a situation, released me feck you hit a good son of a bitch has roughly as many meanings as in the morning , or that which releases the porter in the building foyer.
Luis Suarez, Liverpool FC striker urugayi the match against Manchester United Patrice Evra said leniggerezte [1] , defender of the guests, which is not nice, in fact, express brutishness - if at all happened. Let us take for granted now accounts for Evra, and believe him to Suarez in the Negritos used the word at least ten times. I do want to let us intervene in quickly to a single record, ear witnesses, and even the referee's report is not supported by the left-BEKK words, so this case is roughly like the enemy frog men guy leather sewn tin cans for communications minister Witness movie.
But I say, play with the idea that there was negritózás several times, passion. If you think that Luis Suarez with muscle leniggerezte Evra, has not yet been in a situation where the adrenaline thousand works in the body, and every nerve breaking tension, the root opponent to point at the last minute flick from her the Zsuga or kicking popliteal from behind. This is not the niggerezés what was altogether a slave plantation, which Been to cut military Rosa Parks on the bus there [2] , or what the South African economy fröcsög face contorted with hatred. Luis Suarez is part black.
Evra, and vote for lending again, is another matter. This is at least the sixth such incident having denounced someone who said something to him - so far in the FA drove the feck off of the beef with, but now statuáltak like Pelican black comrade for cutting and Suarez elmeszelték eight match. This is an exceptionally severe punishment, careers cut in half injury estimate fails for swimming so much, especially not in niggerezésért. So far, two cases had such a case, the FA's discipline discipline - both were fine in the end. Eight-match ban for two months, a long and terrible punishment disproportionate in a case where the guilt is just a sinner, no proof.
The minutes are not included in the incident, the referee and the case is not too far situated assistant had not heard anything (Evra is a specific miff of printing up to Suarez, and only later indicated that the striker's end provoked), one in Manchester or Liverpool player ever heard lenégereztek that anyone would have. Evra after the match because he said he believes what he said Suarez, but the referee did not mention in the official report, but reported separately to the FA, as accused Suarez. During testing, the FA disciplinary committee of Evra but the truth, with Suarez defense (did not say it, but if you do, the Negritos are not racist expression) was not addressed.
But would not hurt. Gustavo Poyet, the former Tottenham Excellence, Suarez by his compatriot Evra hisztizik only, and the case is a typical Liverpool-Manchester mess that has nothing to do with racism. According to Poyet, who has such an illustrious career has not heard of this and much harsher statements, in a hysterical bitch (I did not say, but we agree), and only kiröhögteti himself. Suarez is not hooted in his face, as Henry has one game in a full stadium, no banana tossing it like Roberto Carlos in Russia, but the Negritos used the word, as in Uruguay and in general in South and Latin American Spanish-speaking part of the only means to that a person's skin a bit darker.
"Not a racist statement, not insulting or offensive words, such as the English at the Scousert used liverpoliakra or Geordie was the Newscastle in people. I understand why at outrage in the British case, but I have 14 years of living here, Luis at just 365 days, let him be a little time to come in to clean habits. "
The same he wrote Tom Vickery, BBC South American football expert, who according to the FA guilty of huge folly. "Suarez grew up in a country whose national team has played well in 1916, black football players, and where in the 1950 World Champion team coach of El Jefe Negro Negro boss is the nickname fit." Vickery and Poyet also mentions that the Negro, Negro and Uruguay Negritos words about the guy, buddy (mate) used in the report, those who have darker skin than white. Eyes to see racism in this hypocrisy.
Liverpool, of course, the full width of chest stands next to the striker, and they appealed the decision, but I have a feeling, to no avail. The FA thoroughly with caught a piszlicsáré case in which a similar game or sixty times occur, but very dangerous precedent, because now it is enough to point out, say, the games continue végigkáromkodó Wayne Rooney, and say that lenégerezett several times, including in my ear, and even csulázott there is a foam ones. The FA is in front of one other case is similar, in which Anton Ferdinand John Terry said something, I wonder what kind of punishment they are born.
we are, arent we?
Yes it is. But they haven't done that specifically, because they haven't mention "racism". They've simply put "unfound allegations" which they can linguistically claim relates to his "exaggerated" testimony about fighting with the Chelsea groundsman. This has nothing to do with racism, and isn't even an allegation, it's a testimony, but technically that's their excuse.
Of course anyone with any sense can see it's a leading statement, intended to propagate a lie or insinuate it. It's - again - a hugely irresponsible move, and judging by the the shit Stan Collymore is still re-tweeting, having a lasting effect.