Very well said...
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Very well said...
My point wasn't about every aspect of our youth team or youth teams in general, just that it's primary use now is to earn us money more so than to develop us players.
So in conclusion, I was right.
Since the Giggs Scholes Beckham etc generation we've had the following players come through and make more than 50 appearances
John O Shea (393)
Wes Brown (362)
Darren Fletcher (302)
Jonny Evans (105)
Keiran Richardson (81)
Darron Gibson (60)
Between them they have 18 Premier League winners medals, 4 Champions Leagues, and some ungodly amount of League Cups (12 by my count)
We've also got Danny Welbeck and Tom Cleverley who are both emphatically first team players.
No other team vying for European spots has a record near that. Everton might be the closest (Rodwell, Rooney, Barkley, Osman, Anichebe, etc).
Agreed.
Not sure anyone else can produce like the Barca academy anywhere in the world.
That at least has gone now, I believe.
It's primary use has, and will always be, to produce first team players.
I don't think that's it's primary use, or certainly not it's intended primary use.
It's primary use is to produce players that can play for the first team. Naturally, due to the high standards at United, many aren't good enough so are sold on.
So in the sense that more are sold on than make it into the first team then yes, it's the primary use. But like I said, it's not the intended primary use and every other academy in the World would surely have a much higher fail rate than a sucessful one.
Not at all.
At a club like ours, there will always be more players sold than those who make the first team. Doesnt really mean that is its primary purpose, just shows how tough it is to make at united.
Producing a player for the first team saves the club 10's of Millions more so than selling players ever can. There is a lot of prestige and pride attached to producing your own. If players don't make the first team which is majority of cases then what's the problem if the club makes money?
About Mr. Pique, we got very good money for Pique. Pique had to leave simply because we extended Brown's contract. We wanted to keep him but we did what was best for him and us. After all he really wanted to return to Barca and we had Evans coming though too. So we allowed to take a hit on that.
Can't get a game ahead of Rafael in central midfield? Further proof Fergie doesn't think he's ready yet.
I think it's safe to say he's not really going to start getting a few games here and there until next season at the earliest.
I think it's safe to say he's not really going to start getting a few games here and there until next season at the earliest.
But it won't stop, we're gonna have a lot of 'Pogba 
' posts before our games this season.
' posts before our games this season.But it won't stop, we're gonna have a lot of 'Pogba
I know. It's good he's getting the occasional spot on the bench though. All a good experience for him.
I see Pogba was on the bench last night.
Any news on his contract situation, with him being in the first team squad now is that good news or is he likely to leave in the summer?
Any news on his contract situation, with him being in the first team squad now is that good news or is he likely to leave in the summer?
As mentioned tons of times before; We can extend his contract by 1 year if we feel like it, so it's no way he'll leave in the summer. I'm sure we'll solve this
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They keep this up and I'm going to stop calling him the french Bobby Charlton.
So many idiotic rumours about Pogba and Morrison these days. Really; How many other teams have to suffer these kinds of rumours surrounding their reserve team players? It's fecking bothering me how the media seems to want us to lose two of our most talented youngsters.
Morrison has the wrong attitude for me and will piss his career away if he's not very careful.
Pogba sounds like he wants out.
Pogba sounds like he wants out.
I bet that attitude is because of all of these bullshit rumours that's been going around. Have you watched Morrison in the reserves, or read Pogba's own quotes? Cause it's nothing wrong with Morrisons attitude on the pitch, and Pogba really seem to be enjoying himself with us.
This is what the media wants though, obviously. To create opinions of our players for those who doesnt bother to check the facts for themselves.
I'm not too fussed about this in the slightest. If he doesnt want to play for the biggest club in the world, then he can get to feck.
Plus, if Fergie doesnt think he's good enough for play for the first team when we have feck all central midfielders available then we have nothing to worry about.
Plus, if Fergie doesnt think he's good enough for play for the first team when we have feck all central midfielders available then we have nothing to worry about.
Morrison's problems have never been on the pitch, it's his attitude off it that's of concern.
That said, his change in agent is an encouraging sign.
Yupp, I agree that it's been a problem in the past but it really seems as though he's handled himself well lately. I do think the attitude on the pitch is the most important thing when it comes to our youngsters though, and Ravel seems to give it his all in every game and really seems to want to prove himself. Shame that his season has been riddled with injuries, but I really think that he'll prove that he's matured as soon as he'll return
This thread is going around in circles. That Milan/Inter link is horseshit as well
Mathias Pogba
Handled himself well lately? That's the problem. He's a youngster, plays in reserves, has no experience nor pedigree. However, he already has way too much negative media exposure for such a young kid. Players at his age shouldn't even be in trouble in the first place!
It seems that people are way too lenient and forgiving when it comes to talented young players who do bad shit. It reminds me of the Suarez case.
Attitude off the pitch is as important as attitude on the pitch. Ferguson already pointed that out by dropping and fining Rooney. No manager should tolerate unprofessional behavior from players off the pitch. This can directly and indirectly affect the player's performance and the club's image and causes alot of unnecessary headaches for managers.
Pogba is looking like more hassle than he is worth. He obviously is looking for money that he doesnt merit at this stage of his career. Not sure if Fergie will give in to his demands like he did with Rooney before him.Flog him and get Ross Barkley in instead.
Just chill out....it's unfortunate he's got a prat for an agent. Personally i'd ban all bleeping agents as they're nothing more then leeches. All these stories will be his agent and we just have to get on with it.
Agents being agents shocker. Of course they are going to dispute the extra year option when they are trying to shop him around and get a bigger contract, SAF will deal with them.
Gibson on his way, Scholes only here to the end of the season and no timescale for Fletcher's return. I'd say there is a legitimate squad place opening up for him and he'd be crazy not to sign a new contract within the next year and a half (assuming we activate his option). I'll think he get some more minutes in the second half of the season.
Yep agree, it was unfortunate we got knocked out of carling cup as he would've played in them games.
As he is in the first team squad he now has a real opportunity to breakthrough especially with the likes of Gibson move to Everton and Fletcher's break from football.
Can't see it. Fergie tends to go with the more experienced players especially during the run-in to the title, that's why i am kinda surprised he decided to let Gibson go (2 million is nothing). And when Rafael gets the nod ahead of Paul Pogba in central midfield, it's not really encouraging
Nah I think SAF is just sticking to his development plan, Pogba's been getting more and more involved with the First Team as the season has gone on and obviously injuries have had something to do with that. The next logical step is some game time here and there, I think he'd have liked to bring Pogba on against Blackburn with us a few goals up but it didn't work out.
To be honest, I dont think Rafael in midfield was a dig at Pogba, rather the fact that our reserve-game got postponed and we really needed to give Rafael some gametime.
Gibson's contract is up in the summer. £2million is a little low but it's better than nothing.
He will play against Bolton , wait till you see.
Play him at right back then and not a winger!
He and Morrison should look at Hernandez if they believe in themselves.
We gave him a new contract only a few months after we signed him because of his performance.
We gave him a new contract only a few months after we signed him because of his performance.
No he won't.
Might be on the bench, got a feeling Giggsy will be rested with Arsenal and Liverpool coming up soon. I'd like to see Pogba get 10-15 mins if he is on the bench and we are well ahead.
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