No, it didn't. It specifically states in the released documents that that was not the case.
Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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I'm sure I read both teams had to agree to the independant panel, if so it really doesn't matter if the FA selected it.
You fecking Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime. Even Suarez' attorney said that is WAS NOT one man's word against the others.
You probably also believe that Evra has a history of acsusing players of racism.
feck me, brainwashed Liverpool fans and the lies they fall for.
The Liverpool lawyer even admitted as much.
FA are the prosecutors. The prosecutors are therefore always selecting their judges however many times you object.
Score one for Liverpool's retarded press releases.
You didn't object. Not once.
But surely you can see that whether or not those gripes are legitimate Liverpool have handled this appallingly.
Just look at the statements Kenny came out with before the process had even really begun.
And why do those gripes justify attacking Evra in public (repeatedly)?
Just look at the statements Kenny came out with before the process had even really begun.
And why do those gripes justify attacking Evra in public (repeatedly)?
Honestly, I'm not wumming on this topic. I really would like to hear both sides. Just putting across the gripe from the other side to get more answers, some of which has already been provided now.
Reason was stated in LFC's press release that objecting was a fruitless exercise. Objecting once or 10 times would not alter the fact the prosecution was selecting the judges.
You don't get it do you, you can keep rejecting until you feel the selected panel is fair, if you don't feel the panel is fair you reject it. Liverpool had no problem with the panel until the verdict came out.
Far from pleased with our handling to be honest. The T-shirt campaign on foresight and hindsight was a bad idea and its biting us on the ar*e really hard.
Also where does it say Evra saw the video evidence several times to get his evidence right. If Suarez isn't guilty he shouldn't need to see the evidence to prove it.
Yeah, their press release also said it was one man's word against another. Which it wasn't.
If they didn't agree, they could, and should have objected. They didn't. Just like if they thought Suarez was innocent, they could, and should have appealed. They didn't.
You, Dalglish and all the rest of that sick cult should take a good look at yourself.
- Blindly attacking a player who felt he was racially abused.
- Repeating the lies about said player even after the verdict
- turning a player who used racist language in some kind of saint and martyr
I honestly believe that the FA cup game will be the day of reckoning for LFC and it's fanbase. Either they somehow manage to behave or they will finally destroy what is left of the club's legacy.
Personally I think the later will happen - with desastrous results. God help them if fans try to get on the pitch to attack Evra.
They didn't appeal so they could continue to argue against the verdict without having to back any of it up. It was, frankly, the most sensible option for them to take.
Yep. Kenny can just continue to tap his nose to the press and come out with shit like "we know what is not in that report, I'd love to say more but I will get in trouble, etc, etc."
Cowardly nonsense, but the fans lap it up. The man knows his audience.
Even IF (which it wasn't, but hypothetically) the verdict has been made based on Evra's word against Suarez', don't you think it makes sense to side with the one giving the more accurate testimony and the side which actually sticks to it's story, Dumbstar? Liverpool (both Suarez, Kuyt and that Comoli guy) made a mess of their testimony, as you can see in the report. Suarez tried to change his story several times to adjust to evidence that had been presented to him - I don't think I need to tell you that that's a bad thing. In case I do: That's a bad thing.
I've never like Liverpool Football Club for obvious reasons, but with the events of the last few months, I can honestly say I can't stand the club, the fans and the manager.
Speculation and conspiracy theories are not the same as facts, no matter what Rafa might say.
A load of lies was stated in Liverpool's press releases, so why should this part be true? At the end of the day, you had your chance to say "We don't want that panel" and the FA would have to obey to that. You didn't - probably because the club was sure nothing would come of this case. When your player was actually found guilty you started crying about the panel. It's playground behaviour and a club like Liverpool should be above that.
Rather than looking at the amazing injustice being done to Suarez (who admitted to calling Evra black - let's not forget that, although most Liverpool supporters seem to do) I think it'd suit you better to look at your club, Dumbstar. I'd be in the process of digging a very deep hole to hide in, if United had acted like Liverpool has in a case like this.
Just compare Ferguson's comments about this being nothing to do with Liverpool v Man Utd etc with Kenny's whoever is found guilty should take his punishment rubbish, followed by the official club statements which essentially accused Evra of lying etc.
I don't see why Liverpool don't realise (the management) that it is fine to gripe internally but not ok to send out a stream of inflammatory and possibly defamatory statements.
I don't see why Liverpool don't realise (the management) that it is fine to gripe internally but not ok to send out a stream of inflammatory and possibly defamatory statements.
From earlier in the thread, Liverpool's lawyer said it wasn't one man's word against another's but they changed their mind in the Press Statements. All this flip-flopping is why Suarez and Liverpool lost the case.
So, what? It's a football matter, in England, who should be, the NSPCC? It's a gripe because you've lost, and then invented a persecution complex. If they'd found in your favour you'd be over the moon & crowing about "justice"
Nonsense. You didn't object to the panel once and then complained afterwards. Much like Kenny's "we know what went on" smoke & mirrors bollocks. If you took it all as seriously as you claimed then you would have stringently vetted the panel if you had a problem with it (Suarez is innocent & being persecuted after all remember!?). You had no problem with it until it found him guilty, and then all of a sudden it became "meaningless" and biased. Grow the feck up.
Where does it say this in the report? Mariner was also told by Ferguson to "record everything Evra says verbatim" on the day of the match. This is a typical bollocks thing magnified or exaggerated by Liverpool fans. He was allowed to watch the video to corroborate his story whilst giving evidence, not to "get it straight."...It's just a way to excuse Suarez's story changing several times. Much like the earlier, forgotten "well Evra's better at English and so was naturally a more impressive witness" argument, before it emerged Suarez spoke in Spanish and had 2 interpreters.
Again, who should be, the NRA? BBCThree? Charles De Gaule?
So 3 of your 4 problems are with the arbitrators of the decision, and not the actual decision itself are they?
They produced all these things. There was video evidence that corroborated Evra's side of the story & contradicted Suarez's. The referee confirmed he remembered hearing Evra complain he'd been called black (and denied what Kuyt suggested) as did Ryan Giggs.
Your own lawyer said it wasn't. It ended up being Suarez's word against Evra's, Kuyt's, Commoli's, his own, linguistic & body language experts, and the video evidence.
Some room for questions? Every case has room for questions. Fred West's conviction had "room for questions" that doesn't mean you have grounds to challenge every verdict. Unless you want to over turn the case & think a huge miscarriage of justice has been done (which most of you seem to) then you can ask these questions there's "room for", but you'll also have to answer all the ones that paint Suarez in a bad light. Like why he used the word negro to an opponent during an argument in a derby match. Why his testimony changed several times. Why Kuyt & Commoli both initially translated what he'd said as exactly what Evra alleged. Why his body language is aggressive when he's supposedly being conciliatory, and many others, rather than simply ignoring them and proposing inconsistencies in minor bits of evidence or conspiracies at the heart of the FA.
I haven't met a single neutral fan whose on Liverpool's side in this one and yet still they peddle the "everyone whose objective can see this is a stich up."....Oh, no one is?...Well that's because everyone else hates Liverpool and it's all a huge conspiracy, and they've been suckered by the media, obviously...oh and none of them have read the report...and erm, I'm a hod carrier but even I know more about Law than all these law...talkin'...guys..
How you can possibly talk about objectivity when you're completely out on your own on this one & no other fans support you is beyond me. Surely anyone with any objectivity would see the ridiculous paranoid bias you're all operating under. You're (the royal you) even being unobjective about being objective whilst calling for objectivity. It's barmy!
It's like these cnuts haven't even bothered to read the report.
And the fact that Suarez admitted calling him a negro, which is an offence in this country and ought to be in every country.
And the fact that Suarez admitted calling him a negro, which is an offence in this country and ought to be in every country.
Professional victims.
Even if you took the cultural misunderstanding line (which is bollocks), it's the clubs fault for not educating their player who according to himself regularly uses the word Negro in training. Despite Liverpool's self-acclaimed efforts against racism they didn't believe him calling people Negro could have been an issue?
The whole cultural thing is total bollox. It's been shown that in south America the word is in fact common but that context is everything. So yes you can call a mate 'negro'. But start an argument with or goad a black man and call him negro and you have stepped over the line. Suarez tried to say he was being conciliatory and friendly. The Panel and any right thinking fecking human being can see he is not. He admitted himself he wasn't under cross examination.
This means he used evras skin colour and the word negro in an antagonistic way. It's called racist abuse. This fecker is lucky to still have a career let alone play the fecking victim. And liverpools fans unwillingness to accept that is a stain on their characters that won't go away too soon
This means he used evras skin colour and the word negro in an antagonistic way. It's called racist abuse. This fecker is lucky to still have a career let alone play the fecking victim. And liverpools fans unwillingness to accept that is a stain on their characters that won't go away too soon
Jesus.... talk about brainwashed.
The only way Liverpool were going to be satisfied is if Suarez was found innocent and they probably realised that was never going to happen the moment he opened his mouth to try and defend himself.
It'd be funny if it wasn't for what he is defending.
They love their club and its players so much, that they cannot take any action / hold any attitude which might lead to a negative outcome for them. This is the driving force behind everything the fans, Dalglish and the club are doing and have been doing since the whole thing started. They refuse to accept Suarez is guilty, and direct their anger to the FA, Evra and SAF, where any rational person would have done otherwise. The net result of this blind love is thousands of LFC fans who have decided that racism is a lesser issue than the welfare of their club and player. And now it is manifesting in their behaviour in the stands (see the Oldham game).
Have the press picked up on the unbelievable hypocrisy of Liverpool issuing a grovelling apology after a fan used the word "black" in an abusive context, whilst completely refusing to do the same after a member of their playing staff did the exact same thing in Spanish?
fecking farcical, it really is.
fecking farcical, it really is.
Not that I'm aware of. Although I do think they're all aware of it.
The funny thing is, the bloke's been released on (police?) bail, yet Liverpool still haven't acted. Can't wait for the day he gets banned from Klanfield - that'd really highlight their hypocrisy, and even better, if they let him back in.
Banning orders in football for racism are fairly common, so there's no reason whatsoever for him not to be banned.
Have to admit to a bit of brainwashing, understandable from my personal standpoint. However, your answers above have helped me a little. Always ask the other side if in doubt.
I will try and pose these answers as questions back to the other side again in different forums.
Dumbstar, a few questions to you and other Liverpool fans:
1. Did Suarez call Evra black?
2. Has the club (Liverpool) and the management handled the case badly?
3. Why are Liverpool fans so angry at Sir Alex and Evra in regards to this case?
1. Did Suarez call Evra black?
2. Has the club (Liverpool) and the management handled the case badly?
3. Why are Liverpool fans so angry at Sir Alex and Evra in regards to this case?
4. Can you get me a ticket for the Cup match? 
I'll answer for Dumbstar
1) No. It's corruption and a conspiracy and everything has been made up. nited were terrified that Liverpool would finish 5th so needed to get him banned to de-rail them
2) Yes. Impeccably
3) Slur Alex bacon-face is a disgrace and he's paid the FA to ban Suarez. Evra has played the race cared 1 million times before
1) No. It's corruption and a conspiracy and everything has been made up. nited were terrified that Liverpool would finish 5th so needed to get him banned to de-rail them
2) Yes. Impeccably
3) Slur Alex bacon-face is a disgrace and he's paid the FA to ban Suarez. Evra has played the race cared 1 million times before