Isn't it amazing that our so called weakness, seems to be where the majority of our talent in terms of youth is coming from. Some many talented midfielders in Pogba, Morrison, Petrucci, Tunners, Barmby and Daelhi.
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Isn't it amazing that our so called weakness, seems to be where the majority of our talent in terms of youth is coming from. Some many talented midfielders in Pogba, Morrison, Petrucci, Tunners, Barmby and Daelhi.
I think he's in with a chance, although it's really, really early days still.
He just oozes class, along with Januzaj and Barmby. The things he do on the ball always has a purpose. Really good player to watch, intelligent, fleetfooted, and great vision with a good through ball in his reportoire.
His father used to be on vacation with Mats and the family where I'm from(Lofoten), can't say I spotted a future United midfielder during those summers though!
Of those, only Pogba and Tunnicliffe are central midfielders. The others are forwards, attacking midfielders or wingers.
Well I've definately seen petrucci play there before. I wasn't sure about Barmby but I thought Daehli was a CM. Also think that Morrison would have played there a lot more but for our wealth of talent in the middle.
I think he's in with a chance, although it's really, really early days still.
He just oozes class, along with Januzaj and Barmby. The things he do on the ball always has a purpose. Really good player to watch, intelligent, fleetfooted, and great vision with a good through ball in his reportoire.
His father used to be on vacation with Mats and the family where I'm from(Lofoten), can't say I spotted a future United midfielder during those summers though!
Januzaj - where is he from?
Morrison needs a free role to shine. Dæhli has played mostly as a winger, as has Barmby, although Dæhli is more of a Morrison-type player. Think Silva for an example.
Petrucci, if anything, is the one who's most suited to play as a second striker. Totti-esque player.
CNUT: Januzaj is from Belgium.
Belgium.
Cheers marjen, don't really watch the reserves or academy as much as I should. Care to make predictions on which of the said players will make it either here or elsewhere?
I think one of the major decision Sir Alex will have to make at some point in a few years, when some of these players are starting to breakthrough, will be whether to make a major signing in the midfield, or throw someone like Pogba into the first team on a more regular basis.
He may have already bought by then, but depending on how things go, we may need even more options.
Oh, that's just so tough. I watched Cleverley at 18-19 years of age, and would never have predicted him to be one of the select few from that crop who has a chance of making it.
As of now, the standouts probably are Dæhli and Barmby. I like the look of James Wilson and Januzaj as well, and McCullough is a very imposing CB. Blackett is very solid as well.
Horrendously overrate them. We havent produced a top quality player for 15 years...
yep. we have had to make do with the likes of Fletcher, O'Shea, Brown, Evans and Welbeck
and we hardly win anything while city not only produce top players like Micah Richards and buy players like De Jong, Adebayor, Tevez and win the FA CupClearly
But these players are their own worst enemies at the end of the day. They could turn out to be average at best but it shows Football for what it is when reserve/youth players are in the limelight already.
yep. we have had to make do with the likes of Fletcher, O'Shea, Brown, Evans and Welbeck
To be fair, we haven't produced a world class player since the class of 92. We have, however, produced a number of top class premier league players (as you mentioned) since then.
Welbeck as I have mentioned in Redcafe future stars thread, will be a nominee for World Player of the Year some time in the future.
And there is a little luck involved in a player becoming World Class (or generally being perceived as such. knowing what we now know about Fletcher and his performance in 2008-10, who knows what might have happened. or Brown without all his injuries) We have produced players who contributed to our success. Yeah not like the class of 92 though
I can't see Welbeck ever hitting those heights. For me, his touch lets him down too often for him to get into the World Player of the year category. Sure I think that he will be an international class player (he alomst is) but I just can't see him becoming one of the world's very finest. I feel that both Morrison and Pogba have more raw potential to hit those levels, though potential means nothing if they don't have the mental fortitude and dedication to realise it.
The hype suggests Morrison and Pogba do have a lot of potential. Converting that potential is a massive leap. Welbeck has converted that potential into a player who now looks very much part of the first team set-up. I think he'll look even better as a player if we get Cleverley to his early season form. They seemed to click well together.
If he improves and consistently performs for Manchester United, you don't think as a forward he would make it to the nominee list?
Well yeah but if we sign Rory Delap and he improves and consistently performs at United then he would make the list. A slightly flippant comparrison but you get my point.
It is just my view, that in Welbeck, the raw materials are not there for a truely elite player. I mean we are talking Ronaldo & Messi level here. It is my opinion of course, but I would bet money on it.
Doesn't seem to stop Tevez or (sometimes) Rooney from making such shortlists....
This is not the right thread for it, but just to finish this conversation, the question of raw materials is a question of judgement and even after a whole career there could be disagreements. But you don't need to be Ronaldo or Messi to be a WPOTY nominee. If I am not wrong Torres was a nominee as was Luis Fabiano. So i don't get your argument which you further harm by the Delap example.
A bit too early to be talking about WPOTY.
First of all kids in this country have the best coaching at United. The second is we can't throw kids in because of the competitive nature of our league other like other leagues and because of the quality we have in the squad.
The youth has never been stronger - after that batch in the early 90's it's in tremendous shape but there's not much we can do. The games changed. The valuations of players in a 15 year time frame has altered dramatically to the point where it's difficult to put a kid in at the expense of someone who might be worth 5 - 10 - 15 million to the club.
I'm sure that will change in the space of the next five years. If it doesn't then somethings wrong.
There is a distinct record of people here horrendously overrating reserves. It's ridiculous that some of you can't see it.
Yes,we have produced some good players, but that doesn't excuse the fact that Frazier Campbell, Kieran Richardson, Phillip Bardsley etc etc (to name but a few of the best/most well known) were pointed at as world-beaters by many posters here, and the same posters keep doing it over and over and over...
Yes,we have produced some good players, but that doesn't excuse the fact that Frazier Campbell, Kieran Richardson, Phillip Bardsley etc etc (to name but a few of the best/most well known) were pointed at as world-beaters by many posters here, and the same posters keep doing it over and over and over...
Feel free to name and shame...
This is very true.
It's also true that amidst all the nonsense you get posts from people who watch a lot of reserve football and have a good eye for the players that really stand out for their age.
If you have a root through the reserves forum, you'll see that these posters would rate Morrison (especially) and Pogba (to a lesser extent) as by far the most talented players to come through our ranks since Welbeck, Rossi and Pique. A class above all the other players you mentioned.
Interestingly enough, Cleverley's been a bit of a late developer. Not the most highly thought of when he was Morrison/Pogba's age but has really made the most of himself. Just a shame these other lads don't seem to have as good an attitude.
Not really. The Chief and Campbell spring to mind beyond that I dont recall anyone ever mentioning world class outside of Pique and Rossi
Predicting how young players will progress is horrendously difficult.
I have in the past predicted Mads Timm to be a first team player. I was certain Josh King had a better chance than Danny Welbeck two years ago as well.
I have in the past predicted Mads Timm to be a first team player. I was certain Josh King had a better chance than Danny Welbeck two years ago as well.
I had high hopes for the Norwegian kid, Eriksem (spelling) but we got rid of him on a free.
So basically it is quite impossible to tell how good a player will be or whether he will make it at United, unless he was a clone of Messi or Ronaldo..
In terms of natural ability Timm had it all. V talented lad. Didnt seem to have the will or the mindset though.
His parents are Albanian though!
The PFA need to be more involved with players under 21 who have these bastard agents turning their heads. I keep hearing that Pogba wants to stay at United well why doesnt he fire his agent then?
Eikrem is with Ole at Molde! Its hard to predict, I thought Macheda would be a starter by now!
Fabregas in a documentary a few weeks back admitted there were more talented players than himself whilst he was at Barcelona. Succeeding at the top takes more than just talent.
Like Messi?
They're playing in some obscure league no doubt.
I've always thought that it was how you progress in the peak development years of 18-23 bracket that levels how good you will be as a footballer. Obviously there are footballers that buck this trend, but you hardly see it happen.
It tends to back up why Fergie won't let players ago until that 21-22 age bracket.
Some players though seem to think they have it all as teenagers. They get the money and think "hell isn't this great. 15k a week at 19, what more do I need". Like you said, it takes more then talent. It's the drive and will to succeed.
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MONSTER! All this first team training has to be good for the lad. Hope he stays.
MONSTER! All this first team training has to be good for the lad. Hope he stays.
Why's he carrying his shopping?
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