No, I say differentiate based on talent.
Paul Pogba
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No, I say differentiate based on talent.
There was space for him or any other reserve player even though we thought we might blood talent in this tournament, obviously SAF feels it is more important to keep players sharp and he wants experience on the bench to avoid any collapses like the one we had against Basle.
Oh well bye bye to the only other guy close to breaking into our first team from the youth team.
And anyway, lets concentrate on the real big news about a youth prospect tonight, a certain Phil Jones is captain. 
He turned down the scouse you know?
He turned down the scouse you know?
You hit the nail on the head my friend. Pogba has most likely been offered a 3-4 year contract with United giving him £15 000 a week with a promise of a better contract once he is established while a club like Juve is prepared to give him £30 000 a week now. Meanwhile Phil Jones a guy that is a year older and was signed for a big fee earns £55 000 a week. While I would hate losing Pogba I can understand why he leaves.
This is basically what United has done forever. The likes of Rio and Ronaldo has always earned more than Giggs and Scholes. I can't see any fairness in big signings earning more than loyal local players. Welbeck got offered around 45 000 a week, that's less than Jones but Welbeck is just as established as Jones but United counts on Welbeck's loyalty as a local lad.
Should we all congregate somewhere near the Ryan Tunnicliffe thread?
Is there a Tunnicliffe thread created yet?
When you're playing Ji Sung Park in midfield and are prepared to lose one of the best young midfielders in the world because you don't want to pay him as much as Ji Sung Park, it's time to have a long hard look at yourself in the mirror, and either have a drastic rethink or accept no longer being one of the world's top clubs.
When Pogba is half the servant that Park has been for us through the years then he can start talking big money, untill then feck off if you dont want to play.
Ji-Unit is a proven top International player you know? He's played in two Champions League finals and his original position was centre midfield.
Whilst I agree Pogba's a massive talent, caving into his potentially massive wage demands will only harm us in the future.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
With Valencia out, Park needs games. We've got a squad and we are using it.
Ji-Unit is a proven top International player you know? He's played in two Champions League finals and his original position was centre midfield.
This would be fantastic if it wasn't for the fact he can't actually play in central midfield without looking like a pub player.
We're Manchester United...if we want to be one of the world's top clubs, we shouldn't be resorting to such nonsense. Why bring in players like Pogba if you don't want to pay the going rate to keep them around?
No one actually knows what his wage demands are. All we know is he apparently wants to stay and yet hasn't signed a contract.
What harms you a lot more is ten years down the line when Paul Pogba's playing for one of the world's top teams because you wouldn't offer him a competitive salary.
Why because we not willing to reward greedy teenagers? Pogba seems to be holding out for huge contracts rather than earn improved deals. If he committed his future I'm sure he would have played more. The fact he is not in squad at all suggest to me that he has told the club he intends on moving and if that is the case then we should not do anymore to help his progress.
Accept no longer one of the worlds top clubs???? are you for real? you do realise we are the current Champions of England don't you? and I assume you also realised that we somehow managed to achieve that without Paul Pogba playing a single game as crazy as that may sound. There are other talented young players at our club and other talented young players at other clubs that would jump at the chance to join Man United so I think we will be just fine no matter what Pogba decides.
One of the best young midfielders in the world? He's played a total of what, 20 minutes in the Premier League? Against a crap Stoke side?
Wilshere's one of the best, Gotze and Hazard are among the best, Thiago Alcantara. Pogba's done nothing to be called that!
He's played a total of what, 20 minutes in the Premier League? Against a crap Stoke side? Wilshere's one of the best, Gotze and Hazard are among the best, Thiago Alcantara. Pogba's done nothing to be called that!
Well done Fergie for leaving him out if it's because the contract situation.
If he's had his head turned by Juventus when he's got a first team place more or less nailed on at United, why should we give him games? To aid his development so he can feck us off and move for free? Sod that. I said the very same thing yesterday and I'm glad that Fergie's left him out if it's because of that.
If he's had his head turned by Juventus when he's got a first team place more or less nailed on at United, why should we give him games? To aid his development so he can feck us off and move for free? Sod that. I said the very same thing yesterday and I'm glad that Fergie's left him out if it's because of that.
That's why I said potentially, I am confident the club is doing all they can to keep whether he wants to stay is another matter but when your path to the first team is so apparent what other reason could Pogba have for leaving other than money? We can't be that tight either if Ashley Young's on 120k a week.
We're fecking stupid if that's true.
If he's getting offered bigger contracts by other clubs (and apparently not Man City) that should tell you enough. If you want the top players you have to pay the going rate for them. If you don't, it'll be Paul Pogba this season, someone else next, etc.
Players aren't going to stick around if they can get better deals elsewhere, it's as simple as that. Trying to blame the player for wanting to get the best for themselves is pointless and daft. Either you compete and put your money where your mouth is, or you eventually watch the others pass you by.
If I'm Paul Pogba, I'm not staying at Manchester United when other clubs are willing to pay me twice as much and yet United wont budge. I'd be thinking the club have a fecking cheek to be so arrogant about their status.
I don't think Pogba's demands are "massive" (whatever that means in numbers). Juventus, as well as most every other club won't pay silly money for an unproven youngster. No doubt they're offering him a bit more but I'm pretty sure we can very well match that and it's worth the gamble IMO. Especially when we lack in the area he plays and when we haven't produced any top class players for ages.
In the end we'll find ourselves in a situation where we have to buy our way out of trouble, it'll cost us considerably more than whatever Pogba wants and will be as much of a risk as any transfer in football.
Key word there potentially and also I mean relative to the wages expected for someone who's just progressing from the reserves.
At this stage, giving more exposure to Pogba means making him more attractive to the likes of juventus. and his scum agent will be able to get an even better deal from them , making life even more difficult for us.
So until he re-signs for us, he can warm the bench while other young players who really love the club can be given a chance
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United can obviously match what Juventus or someone else is offering in wages but won't do it because of principles. If it is Fergie's(probably) or David Gill's principles I don't know but it has never been the United way to offer a young reserve player big money when he's not even played a full league game.
Probably the biggest factor for me is the example these situations set for the future. If we break our youth wage structure for pogba and ravel, the next guy will demand the same, and it just creates a domino effect until we are paying any old youth prospect who may or may not make it £50k a week.
The flip side is that we know that when players get into the first team and perform, they are rewarded very quickly. Hernandez got a new contract the year after signing his first one. Why? Because he earnt it. We pay our players well, but only when they show they are worth it a a first team level. Like it or lump it that's the way it has to be, when you break that structure for one player you end up breaking it for them all.
The flip side is that we know that when players get into the first team and perform, they are rewarded very quickly. Hernandez got a new contract the year after signing his first one. Why? Because he earnt it. We pay our players well, but only when they show they are worth it a a first team level. Like it or lump it that's the way it has to be, when you break that structure for one player you end up breaking it for them all.
Interesting comment from Djordic on twitter who was training with us recently
There is no better place for Paul Pogba to develop in then Manchester United so easy with "He will leave" shouts. He knows that! #mufc
There is no better place for Paul Pogba to develop in then Manchester United so easy with "He will leave" shouts. He knows that! #mufc
SAF:
"Matt Busby summed it up perfectly when he said that you don’t need to chase money at a club like Manchester United. It will eventually find you. You will earn money and become rich. They can chase the money early in their career but at the end it won’t be the same as if he had stayed here. He just has to look around him to know where his future lies."
I am tired of people posting that quote from Sir Matt, as much as I agree with it. Times have changed, we must evolve or risk the consequences.
Not for me, just look at what Giggs and Scholes have achieved and what they still achieve now.
Let's just prepare for a proper shit storm on the caf, now that Pogba isn't on the bench.
It's not chasing money if you're on 25k and in the first team squad at Juventus.
Some of you are worse than washer women for gossiping ffs.
We have a wage structure and as the financial report shows we aren't exactly afraid to splash out on wages, he must either have unrealistic demands or he doesn't see his future here (which makes no sense with Carrick, Giggs, Scholes being in their 30's and Ando not fulfilling his potential).
Club comes first. If he's leaving because of a contract dispute than all I can do is quote the Avalanches.
Matt Busby lived in a different world to today's players and managers. You pay top money, or you don't get top players...it's as simple as that. Wayne Rooney was prepared to toss his United career in the toilet for a few extra grand a week. Playing for United doesn't mean as much as you would like to think it does to people who weren't brought up as die hard United fans.
But then saying all this, what's the suddent outbreak of "he's leaving" based on...him not being included tonight? It could every very easily be a case of us having enough players back from injury to simply not include him...there are 3 central midfielders on the bench who are ahead of him in the pecking order, and Fergie seems to have made it pretty apparent that we're not treatng the Europa League as some kind of Carling Cup run out.
Basically we're all quite probably being idiots.
Basically.
Is he leaving?
It's still very relevant. Put the work in to the level expected of you and you may well make it at United, That will make you rich either way. If not you can expect to make it at another level and money will come.
Put the work in and you won't be selling clothes on Ebay put it that way.
It's not players, it's their parasitic agents who see a bigger lump of cash without thinking what's in the long term best interest of their player.
But now a days there opportunities to be richer without putting in as much work.
Sorry but Paul Pogba is not one of the top players he may have potential to be but that is 2 different things, I'm sure Manchester United have offered him what they think he currently deserves and that is fair enough. How are we been cheeky and arrogant? what sort of wage does he deserve? how about any youth player we think may have potential to be a top player we just put them on a starting wage of £100,000 per week just to save time is that how we should run the club? If he wants to follow the money and move to the italian league now thats up to him but I'm fairly certain he will be losing out in the long term.
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