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Do we know he ever received a fee from United for Ronaldo or Nani agreeing a new deal?
Paul Pogba
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Do we know he ever received a fee from United for Ronaldo or Nani agreeing a new deal?
which is very dangerous. Clubs need to wise up.If they all end up paying young lads 40k a week or more, when they haven't barely pissed in the first team toilets, then the game really will collapse. Only a very small % of clubs can afford to chuck money around like that.
Imo we don't have to inflate anything. Just as Rooney, Pogba is one of the best in his category. Yes, it's more of a gamble with him but the risk money wise is much lower too.
We gambled on much worse than him, recently too. Bebe for example.
Its really 50/50 situation for Pogba. On one hand he could look up to players like Welbeck, Cleverley, Jones and Smalling. If you are good enough, sooner or later you will get your appearance and pay rise. However, there are also exceptions. Players like Rossi and Pique and also fine example of success stories for youngster leaving United.
But players in Pogba's category - young talents who haven't done a thing yet - don't get that sort of money, 40k a week, anywhere. I just don't see how we can start giving such huge contracts to players based on talent alone.
I think you're missing the point, though. Rooney is the best in his category, with no other players above him. We maid him the best-paid player at the club. If anyone wants to be paid a similar amount of money they will need to be similarly important.
If you inflate the salary of a kid who's essentially only played reserve football, that will have knock on effects on the salary expectations almost every other player in the first team squad.
Exactly, some of the decisions do baffle me sometimes.
They have no worries for dishing out 7 MILLION for an unknown player from league 2 portugal that turned out to be dogshit - but when wages are slightly questioned they start playing hard ball.
Well all i can say is i really do hope pogba signs on, im sure we will look back to regret it one day
Surely every players wants to make it at a club of the level of United and Barcelona. Pique has, Rossi has forged a very good career for himself, but he's still at Villareal.
Looking at Juventus rising to the top again, returning to the CL next season, I can't see him being fast tracked there. A loan to another club would be more likely.
There's no reason to make more stupid decisions on the basis that we made a dick move with Bebe. If a player from the Portuguese third division became available again for 3m, we probably wouldn't sign him simply because he's cheaper than Bebe.
its all about the going rate. we've seen it before with roy keane, rio ferdinand and wayne rooney. they all wanted deals what they could get else where and pogba can get more elsewhere.
if he was getting involved alot more i think he's be more likeley to sign a deal with the potential for a review each year. the fact is that he isnt getting game time which he obviousley believes that he should be getting. he's training with the first team......he'll know himself if he's out of his depth or he's comfortable at that level. But at the minute if the stories are accurate we are offering less of a deal than he can get elsewhere. therefore i dont think he can be critiscised one bit for thinking, do they want me? they are pitching my contract at an average reserve player for the next 5 years. Juve are pitching my deal at a red hot prospect kind of level.
i think he's justified in asking for more money as like ive said...other clubs will be him more, other lads of his age, ability and experience will be earning more.
also if Fergie didnt sign x, y and z due to the possible emergence of pogba then fergie is rating him higher than all these playersand so once again £40k is reasonable.
we all know £40k is not reasonable and its an obscene amount of money for a lad who hasnt played but..........its the going rate, others earn it, others pay it and so if we want to catch barca, real etc etc then we too have to pay it.
if he was getting involved alot more i think he's be more likeley to sign a deal with the potential for a review each year. the fact is that he isnt getting game time which he obviousley believes that he should be getting. he's training with the first team......he'll know himself if he's out of his depth or he's comfortable at that level. But at the minute if the stories are accurate we are offering less of a deal than he can get elsewhere. therefore i dont think he can be critiscised one bit for thinking, do they want me? they are pitching my contract at an average reserve player for the next 5 years. Juve are pitching my deal at a red hot prospect kind of level.
i think he's justified in asking for more money as like ive said...other clubs will be him more, other lads of his age, ability and experience will be earning more.
also if Fergie didnt sign x, y and z due to the possible emergence of pogba then fergie is rating him higher than all these playersand so once again £40k is reasonable.
we all know £40k is not reasonable and its an obscene amount of money for a lad who hasnt played but..........its the going rate, others earn it, others pay it and so if we want to catch barca, real etc etc then we too have to pay it.
im sure pogba wants to make it to. but his contract offer would suggest that United see him as an average reserve team player. Combining that with the fact fergie would rather play jones and rafa (both 19 year old defenders) and rooney and park in midfield against poor opposition as opposed to giving pogba a run out then maybe pogba is thinking that United dont see him making it?
I think its simple. Give him what he wants. Promote him full time to the first team. get him minutes as and when possible. if he's good...bonus. If he's shite......its "only" £40k per week and some other middle of the road club will give us £10m for him.
The way it is at the moment......we could let go a potential super star in a position where we are light, where there is few alternatives and where to get a player of united quality we'd be looking at shelling out inexcess of £25m and £150k per week in wages.
So...if he is as good as is led to be believed (and against stoke he certainly looked like he could at the very least be a squad player) the in the grand scheme of things £40k is a bargain.
We've spent millions and millions gambling on smalling, hernandez, tozic, obertan, bebe etc etc some have worked some havent. The fact remains is that if we signed Pogba from another team now......we would quite happily pay £7million and give him a 5 year deal on more than £20k per week.
They left for first-team football though and not for money. Do you think Pogba will be a first-team regular at Juventus, if that's where he decides to go? His chances of first-team football at United are pretty good if he decides he wants to stay. He's been around the first team for the past months until United supposedly decided enough was enough and that he needed to make a decision.
He should look at the Hernandez situation. He played a very good first season here and got a new contract just one year into his old one.
bloody hell, he needs game time first! ludicrous
As everybody mentioned both Rossi and Pique are the worst examples anybody could use for Pogba. Both of them had world class players in front of them at that time(Pique would've moved anyway IMO)
Rossi though hasn't really hit the heights every one talks about, people make out that we lost a Del Piero or something. Pique yes, but then with the current Barca side he'd have been hard not to.
He needs to be thrown into the first team for the Europa League ties. If he is man enough to be asking for so much money (considering the reports are true) then he should be man enough for a sink or swim situation.
It depends on who the agent is contracted with and for whom he is doing specific work. It is common practice for the agent to be dealing on behalf of both the club and the player, and for his fees to be split accordingly between the two. Also, quite often the club will pay the players share of the fees as well, with the payment made on his behalf forming part of his remuneration package and being taxed as a benefit in kind via either his tax code over the year or (depending on amounts) via his SA Return.
What are you basing that on, just the conversation with the one club's chairman? It's common practice for clubs to pay agent fees, so I'm not sure you're right in claiming there is a 'general feeling amongst clubs' that they shouldn't be doing it.
Who's to say they shouldn't? It's not exactly unusual for employers to pay for things on behalf of their employees as part of their packages. I'll be plenty of people on here have their employer paying for medical insurance for them, or providing them with company cars. As long as it's all above board and the correct taxes are being paid then why shouldn't they?
I'd love to know where you're getting this information from?
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Welbeck is still on 15k and will be offered a new bumper rise, Cleverley was on 15-20k before he signed a new contract this season. Even the aforementioned Ravel Morrison is still on 12-15k for West Ham(whose figure will increase if he plays regularly in the PL)
A lot of chat about nothing really, if we want him I am confident he will stay.
Completely and utterly different, Rooney for all his faults had been an integral part of a champions league and PL winning side and contributed many vital performances by then, Pogba has looked good in the reserves......
And agents badly need to be regulated by a watchdog of some type rather than any old sleazebag bastard with a line in bullshit smooth enough to confuse a teenager.
Only one thing Pogba needs to do.Get rid of his agent.
If you believe the SUN and their 40k a week then fair enough.
I think he's worth the gamble at whatever Juventus are throwing towards him. Bad situation to be forced to pay more that we've probably planned but there you go.
It's just on a different scale. Out of our reserve players Pogba's the one with most potential and is highly rated, so he can be rewarded with a better contract that the rest. Of course you have to have a limit as to how high are you prepared to go. 40k is ridiculous. 20-25k is justifiable (sort of).
Sometimes you've just gotta wipe your arse and flush the toilet of the shit, regardless of how satisfying the smell is.
I'm basing it on newspaper reports over the last few years and quotes I've read from various club executives. Of course clubs employ agents to acquire players and broker deals. In this case raiola is an employee of pogba. He has no contractual relationship with utd. Why should we pay him? He isn't our employee.
Yep, I see the majority consensus in this thread is that we should just revise our business model, abandon our youth policies and risk setting an unwanted - high risk financial precedent all this for one inexperienced (probably not too sharp either) and ill advised (yet talented) teenager, who's choosing short term gain over a potentially brilliant future with our club.
What kind of example are we setting not just for the youth team players - but the ripple effect that this would cause throughout our squad as well. DDG is (presumably) on 40k...tomorrow he wants to renegotiate because Paul f'n (haven't really kicked a ball yet) Pogba is on 40K...
If Pogba wants to leave for short term gain and more money, instead of knuckling down, earning some more first team experience and then getting his deserved increase, then so be it.
What kind of example are we setting not just for the youth team players - but the ripple effect that this would cause throughout our squad as well. DDG is (presumably) on 40k...tomorrow he wants to renegotiate because Paul f'n (haven't really kicked a ball yet) Pogba is on 40K...
If Pogba wants to leave for short term gain and more money, instead of knuckling down, earning some more first team experience and then getting his deserved increase, then so be it.
You've got a point, Rooney set a bad precedent.
We all knew that was going to be the case.
meh, he is a top talent. But if his biggest concern right now is wages instead of breaking into the team and proving himself, then his head isnt in the right place. Sign up or feck off. I know his agent will feed him loads of BS, but Pogba is a big boy and can sign the contract if he really wanted to.
Yes but I don't expect any employer to pay for any employees I have. A car is one thing, asking for double the wages and oh yeah pay this guy for me will you is taking the piss.
If hes stays great and ill love him, If he leaves feck him and hes a cnut.
Not that it adds much to the thread but it's been suggested that raiola is on 30% of his wage. That seems steep even by agent standards.
Rooney's situation was a bit different as he was a proven world class player and an integral part of our first XI.
You'd be very misguided if you, as a reserve team prospect, are even considering such behaviour acceptable and plausible when it comes to your own (Pogba's, in this case) situation.
Also from an agent on twitter:
Rob Shield (@MancAgent01)
2/28/12 3:04 PM
Nice call from player's parent. He sees I provide service finding club for son. Feels player should pay agent. Just need to convert the rest
Rob Shield (@MancAgent01)
2/28/12 3:04 PM
Nice call from player's parent. He sees I provide service finding club for son. Feels player should pay agent. Just need to convert the rest
Raiola is one of the biggest scumbags in football, and he must have angered Fergie. Pogba's head has been turned (he wants 40k per week )
)He left Le Havre at 16. He left United at 18. He left Juventus at 2?
To me he seems to be an Adebayor type - he will leave anytime he is offered more and even thought he may be talented like Adebayor he will never fulfill his potential.
To me he seems to be an Adebayor type - he will leave anytime he is offered more and even thought he may be talented like Adebayor he will never fulfill his potential.
Same thing can be said about Piqué when he is going to Barcelona. Fact is, Pogba first-team experience at United isn't that great either. You can forecast his chance in few years time, but who knows if we are going to buy Gotze or Modric by that time.
A bit unfair don't you think? Who wouldn't leave Le Harve for United? At the end of the day, he's not broken into the first team yet and that's where it is. Even if the agent works on the players behalf, it is the agent who's causing the problems because he's giving him bad advice for a quick buck.
There is a huge difference though, Rooney was a £25m player, Ronaldo £12.5m, Anderson & Nani was signed for big money and and came into a team that won league and European double, De gea £18m been first choice keeper and already won a european trophy & Jones is another big money signing who has walked into our first team all of though had first team experience under their belts and was signed to play in the first team.
Now Macheda I highly doubt is on anywhere close to £40k a week I think I read a article a while back that said he was on 10k but I apologise have no source and I don't know exact figures but the Da silva twins was brought in on not even close to £40k a week I remember us giving Rafael but no Fabio a new contract at the end of their first season as a reward for making it into the 1st team and belive Danny Welbeck is on £15k and no doubt he will be rewarded in the summer for his rise into the first team.
I'm sure other clubs would be willing to pay it but I am equally sure Manchester United would be willing to pay as we have proven with so many other players in the past the only difference is Man United expect him to earn it and not just going to give it him, history is full of talented youngsters that got to much to fast and blew their career.
Yes I think we can, what happens withevery other young up and coming player in our youth ranks get offered anything between £5-20k per week and say hang on Paul Pogba got £40k after about 2 hours of football and lets be honest a couple of poor performances it could destroy our pay structure at that level or cause us to lose a lot more talented players.
Succomb to player power? why should we? you posted earlier what happens if he signs 20k a week makes it and starts wanting 50k 80k 100k? well what happens if we succumb to player power to a 19 year old who has barely kicked a ball and we does make it and now a little big for his boots with all that player power, and starts wanting a £170-200-250k a week. You have to draw the line some place
'80k a week, a box of fireworks, spare cash to throw at the poor or he's off to italy'
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