Paul Pogba

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Eyepopper said:
How many games has he played in the top flight?

He might have potential but he's miles away from being called a world class midfielder at this stage.
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TBF he does raise an interesting point. At what point do you start bending over backwards for a truly exceptional talent. By all accounts Pogba has incredible potential. But we don't want to go down the Arsenal route of overpaying youngsters to the point where it becomes hard to get rid once they don't fulfill their talents.

Its a very fine line and I can see the merits of both arguments. Personally I'm not sure what the right answer is. For me its not simply a case of "He can feck off it should be a privilege to sign for United". Potentially this kid can become world class.

I can think SAF must have agonized over this one for a long long time. And I sense he probably is still unsure if he's made the right decision or not. Only time will tell.
 
Brophs said:
Nah, he's not. He's just a kid with potential.
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Every young player at United is a Kid with potential brophs, but I think he is an incredible player, physically strong, 2 footed, 6 foot 2", great balance, technically gifted, great range of passing, great strike on him, good in the air and very confident for his years, he has stood out every time I have seen him from the age of 16, most midfield players never attain all that over a career, he has that now, how good can he become under Fergie with a bit of experience? I can understand the mentality that he has'nt really contributed anything so far so you won't miss him but I think the feeling within the club was he was to be a big part of our future
 
mattsville said:
Every young player at United is a Kid with potential brophs, but I think he is an incredible player, physically strong, 2 footed, 6 foot 2", great balance, technically gifted, great range of passing, great strike on him, good in the air and very confident for his years, he has stood out every time I have seen him from the age of 16, most midfield players never attain all that over a career, he has that now, how good can he become under Fergie with a bit of experience? I can understand the mentality that he has'nt really contributed anything so far so you won't miss him but I think the feeling within the club was he was to be a big part of our future
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And he'd rather go to Juve for a bit more money, so feck him, we'll live.

He's not world class by any definition of the term.
 
Whatever, Pogba is the new Carlton Palmer. Plenty of creative midfield talents in the pipeline.
 
It's not like he is earning an outrageous amount more anyway (1 million euro's per season is cited in the article, doesn't mention anything about tax). We can say with some confidence that our offer probably would have been in the 15-20 thousand a week range (reportedly 20, I think). Interestingly enough, it's reported his agent will make 2 million from the deal........

I don't think he trusts the plan that we have, and if he doesn't trust the plan of one of the greatest managers of all time then good riddance.
 
Mick1991 said:
It's not like he is earning an outrageous amount more anyway (1 million euro's per season is cited in the article, doesn't mention anything about tax). We can say with some confidence that our offer probably would have been in the 15-20 thousand a week range (reportedly 20, I think). Interestingly enough, it's reported his agent will make 2 million from the deal........

I don't think he trusts the plan that we have, and if he doesn't trust the plan of one of the greatest managers of all time then good riddance.
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The fact his agent is set to make 2 million out of the deal has told me all I need to know to be honest. How can a lad of 18 be so naive?
 
Pexbo said:
The fact his agent is set to make 2 million out of the deal has told me all I need to know to be honest. How can a lad of 18 be so naive?
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Maybe he's impressed with how Zlatan has been represented?
 
Would 5k a week extra really mean so much to someone if they were going to go on and make several thousands more as their career prospered.
 
68-99-08 said:
The day we sell our principles and dignity of this club, like City and Chelsea have, is the day we need to take a look at our club. It is frustrating to be held ransom by egotistical feckwits like Pogba - but let's put it into perspective, he is obviously not United material (temperament & mentality-wise) despite the undeniable talent there. He must respect the fabric and integrity of the club!

It is absolutely ludicrous for people to suggest we don't have the financial backing to offer them what they want because we can surely afford 50k or whatever it is being touted in the media. It is simply matter of being unwilling to pay a price for a player that isn't worth it.
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Couldn't have put it better myself.
 
Red Norse said:
Maybe he's impressed with how Zlatan has been represented?
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Are you being sarcastic? Zlatan's career is a total car crash. Has made a fair bit of money out of all them transfers but I doubt he will go down as a great at any club, just a mercenary who was a bit good.
 
antohan said:
Are you being sarcastic? Zlatan's career is a total car crash. Has made a fair bit of money out of all them transfers but I doubt he will go down as a great at any club, just a mercenary who was a bit good.
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Yeah, was being sarcastic. Mino Raiola is an absolute predator. Glad to see the back of both of them.
 
Red Norse said:
Yeah, was being sarcastic. Mino Raiola is an absolute predator. Glad to see the back of both of them.
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Same here. Someone mentioned he manages Hamsik... that's Hamsik not getting anywhere near this club as far as I'm concerned.
 
feck off sickening news to hear, I hope Pogba get his career ruined like Mikel....
 
i don't really follow Serie A, but I know Juve has a nice new stadium and got a good decent atmosphere during home games but are they really giving youth a chance in their set up there. Considering Pogba only played a handful of first team football, is this a gamble they are taking ?
 
Well we dicked a French club who wanted to hold on to him. This is devavu I guess, bing dicked by anoher club. Just the state of football these days....
 
Longlivekeano said:
Well we dicked a French club who wanted to hold on to him. This is devavu I guess, bing dicked by anoher club. Just the state of football these days....
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we are bigger club than Le Harve, no disrespect to them, its no brainer who he chose to play for.... :wenger:

the situation now is he got a greedy agent who want big commission and want to sell him to the highest bidder.
 
The only winner in all this is Raiola. I m sorry for Pogba but it s his decision in the end. Basically he had to choose between us and his agent and he opted for the latter.
Good riddance
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
TBF he does raise an interesting point. At what point do you start bending over backwards for a truly exceptional talent. By all accounts Pogba has incredible potential. But we don't want to go down the Arsenal route of overpaying youngsters to the point where it becomes hard to get rid once they don't fulfill their talents.

Its a very fine line and I can see the merits of both arguments. Personally I'm not sure what the right answer is. For me its not simply a case of "He can feck off it should be a privilege to sign for United". Potentially this kid can become world class.

I can think SAF must have agonized over this one for a long long time. And I sense he probably is still unsure if he's made the right decision or not. Only time will tell.
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Of course there's also no point on putting all this focus on youth if we're not going to sign them when they start to show value. I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but we had to be aware of the strong possibility of Pogba being a bit of a mercenary since he came to us because we made the most generous offer.

I think we got unlucky in that his agent saw this as a huge payday for him, which he wouldn't have gotten to the same degree if he'd have signed with us. Unfortunately I think Pogba was a bit foolish to let his agent talk him into a move with only marginally better wages. Surely it's much easier to continue where you are already established, in the playing style you've been training for.

It will be years before we'll even know if we'll regret not signing him, he'll be up for another contract around that time, maybe we'll sign him back.
 
Morrison was supposed to be an aberration.

Now we have a problem. Pogba is off, Fryers appears to be off, and Petrucci is in talks.

Evidently we are unable to pay the going wage for top rate young talent. Furthermore, we have now decided to only enter negotiations at the latest point in player's contracts, giving their agents even more leverage.

Great business model we have here...

Either Gill is incompetent or the Glazers have strung us up again.
 
Fryers isn't off, he played for the reserves, so I'm presuming he has signed. Morrison was given away by the club, there's no guarantee that Petrucci is going or not. Pogba's agent wanted some money for himself and the only reason he's going because his agent 1.9m.

As for only entering negotiations at the latest point in player's contract, I think this line has become the latest thing for the idiots who used to say value at everything. Smalling, Cleverley, Hernandez are proof that this theory is rubbish. Furthermore Nani is close to extending his contract and he still has 27 months.

The Glazers are cnut, but let's not make every damn topic related to us a Glazer fault.
 
holdsteady said:
Morrison was supposed to be an aberration.

Now we have a problem. Pogba is off, Fryers appears to be off, and Petrucci is in talks.

Evidently we are unable to pay the going wage for top rate young talent. Furthermore, we have now decided to only enter negotiations at the latest point in player's contracts, giving their agents even more leverage.

Great business model we have here...

Either Gill is incompetent or the Glazers have strung us up again.
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No if everything is to be believed then we are paying more than the going rate for youngsters as our wages are better than what Juve have offered. The going rate we're not paying is the agents.
 
Pogba can go feck himself with that fat agent wanker twat as well don't need the likes around our club.
 
holdsteady said:
Morrison was supposed to be an aberration.

Now we have a problem. Pogba is off, Fryers appears to be off, and Petrucci is in talks.

Evidently we are unable to pay the going wage for top rate young talent. Furthermore, we have now decided to only enter negotiations at the latest point in player's contracts, giving their agents even more leverage.

Great business model we have here...

Either Gill is incompetent or the Glazers have strung us up again.
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Damn Glazers. If United were the plaything of Arab Sheikhs then we could pay 50k a week on reserve team players as well as 250k a week on first teamers.

It´s just not fair!!! :mad:
 
holdsteady said:
Morrison was supposed to be an aberration.

Now we have a problem. Pogba is off, Fryers appears to be off, and Petrucci is in talks.

Evidently we are unable to pay the going wage for top rate young talent. Furthermore, we have now decided to only enter negotiations at the latest point in player's contracts, giving their agents even more leverage.

Great business model we have here...

Either Gill is incompetent or the Glazers have strung us up again.
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Firstly, let's put things into perspective - Fryers would be a silly bugger to be acting up. He's not of the level where he's likely to be a starter anyway. If his attitude right he could maybe nail down a place as a squad player.

This trend is all about young players not having the right attitude. By all accounts, we've offered Pogba good terms for someone of his profile. Just because he's a talented lad, it doesn't mean we should be moving heaven and earth to retain him. Same with Morrison.

If they feel their careers are better served by them moving, fair play to them. I'd say they're instantly reducing their chances of making it big. We'll see.

I'm pleased the club are putting a marker down this season. We've seen that young players will be given a real opportunity in the first team if their heads are right. We've also shown that we'll happily wave them off if they get too big for their boots.
 
Funny thing is Pogba can go there and get int the first team eventually but his wages won't be renegotiated for a whle, if he'd stay here and did the same he'd end up earning more. This does just seem to benefit Raila purely, why as I said I wonder if Pogba now has a legal obligation to pay for rolly polly Raiolas fees and it would have come out of his wages as we wern't going to pay.
 
I also don't blame Juve for the slightest in this, you ge the opportunity to sign one of the brightest prospects in Europe then it all makes sense, it just would have been nice of them to actually to deal with us and not his agent.
 
Heh, lets not just blame his agent here. Its more than plausible Pogba wanted a bit of excitement. New club, new stadium, new city - exciting stuff for a young footballer.
 
The kid is a moron.
 
I've heard his agent is going to be getting around 1.7mil for this deal.

It's an absolute joke that these people are allowed to operate in this way. That money's gone straight out of football. Disgusting.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
After the youth cup final last year if you'd have told anyone that Pogba and Morrison would be gone within a year we'd have all laughed.

Massive kick in the balls. Morrison is still understandable but losing Pogba is gutting. By far two of the best prospects in the last few years.
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I agree. I understand why many are saying 'Good Riddance' etc but that is only through fierce loyalty to our club as fans.

We all know deep inside that Pogba & Morrison were rated worldwide as potential wonder-kids and could have had a huge future for us.

Our problem has been managing short term expectations by our glory hunting fans and also the Glazer business model that necessitates that we have to get CL football every year as well as win something to make the numbers just about add up. Hence SAF has not been able to give these boys what they wanted. (We have blooded enough youth this season whilst still remaining competitive

However, thinking back the the Scholes generation, none of them apart from Giggs made a real impact before they were 20. In fact the only true teenager wonderkids since then have been Ronaldo and Rooney and they were exceptional and obvious candidates for the 1st XI as soon as they arrived.

I think Pogba's desires (play 1st team football and be suitably compensated for it) are just not achievable at our club right now, hence the step down to Juventus (it is a step down as Serie A is poor and Juve not what they once were).

I can understand it from his point of view .... more money, more exposure and a club from from which to launch his career earlier than he could than from Manchester United.

Its a lose for us but good for him. And Im OK with that. If we desperately wanted him, we would have done what was required. SAF obviously has other plans. He always does.

Trust the manager - will be interesting to see what happens in the summer.
 
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