Paul Pogba

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Both players were had potential but had yet to prove anything. For all we know, they may never live up to their hype given how other clubs aren't as well positioned to develop youth as we are.
 
Saw something interesting on Twitter earlier.

They're paying him 20k a week over 4 years which is only something like a 4 million pound investment. That's feck all really when you consider how much we'd probably pay for him from another team.
 
It is sad to lose exceptional talents such as Morrison and Pogba.
It is even sadder if we become a club that does not appeal to the most promising talents, especially if this is based on economics rather than opportunities for development.

But, it would be even sadder if Manchester United adapt to this situation at the expense of our integrity and proven winning formula.

I'm sure Gill and company have a clear understanding of this situation and a reasonable way to deal with it.

A PL-winning team consists of team players, not individuals. Perhaps that is why SAF do not see a future for these players here?
 
sammsky1 said:
I think Pogba's desires (play 1st team football and be suitably compensated for it) are just not achievable at our club right now, hence the step down to Juventus (it is a step down as Serie A is poor and Juve not what they once were).

I can understand it from his point of view .... more money, more exposure and a club from from which to launch his career earlier than he could than from Manchester United.

Its a lose for us but good for him. And Im OK with that. If we desperately wanted him, we would have done what was required. SAF obviously has other plans. He always does.

Trust the manager - will be interesting to see what happens in the summer.
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Thing is he's not getting anymore money or a guarantee of football, they have offered him less than us, and they won't guarantee any first team football to an 18 year old. The only person this deal has profited is Raiola.
 
Of course if we sign Sneijder, Fletcher comes back healthy and Scholes joins Giggs in signing for another year, I don't think Pogba would have gotten more than CC games.
 
Also less of this trust the manager bit, we know this isn't a crises and we do trust him. It's justr an annoyance.
 
gambit28 said:
Thing is he's not getting anymore money or a guarantee of football, they have offered him less than us, and they won't guarantee any first team football to an 18 year old. The only person this deal has profited is Raiola.
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Raiola knows if Pogba doesn't make it, that this will be his only real chance for a payday from him. He's no idiot, sadly it seems Pogba may well be.
 
Not sure why everyone is slagging Pogba by the way.

We don't know what's been offered to him by us. If there's a substantial difference you can't blame him.
 
cw1984 said:
Not sure why everyone is slagging Pogba by the way.

We don't know what's been offered to him by us. If there's a substantial difference you can't blame him.
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we don't like the way he and his agent is screwing us over behind our back.
 
So Rio's mentoring didn't work then...

It also makes you wonder what really happened, are we really that skint that we can't offer a 20k pw, years gone by we would give jobs to family members and houses but it appears we can't afford to anymore.
 
Kelvin said:
we don't like the way he and his agent is screwing us over behind our back.
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It's his agent's job to get him the best potential deal and he's three months within expiry of his contract - of course he'll look for other options, anyone in his position would.
 
Nate Dogg said:
So Rio's mentoring didn't work then...

It also makes you wonder what really happened, are we really that skint that we can't offer a 20k pw, years gone by we would give jobs to family members and houses but it appears we can't afford to anymore.
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Think it's more the agent fee's we won't pay then Pogba's wage.
 
FFS It's the agent fees of 1.9m which Juventus are willing to pay which is the main thing.

People are really fecking wondering whether we're skint to pay 20k a week to a player. Some here are absolutely idiots.
 
cw1984 said:
Not sure why everyone is slagging Pogba by the way.

We don't know what's been offered to him by us. If there's a substantial difference you can't blame him.
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Why wouldn't he turn down the offer of better pay and more first team football at a top club? He's not a United fan. Some people need to realise that 'just because we're Man United' perhaps not everyone is going to give a left bollock to play for us. Personally, I say good luck to him.

I do wonder if he would've been slightly more willing to stay had this been the team from 07-09 though.
 
This is so irritating. Luckily we have only lost a player yer to prove anything. Would much prefer players that are totally commited to the club.
 
cw1984 said:
Not sure why everyone is slagging Pogba by the way.

We don't know what's been offered to him by us. If there's a substantial difference you can't blame him.
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I'm not sure why people feel the need to speak up for him.

The "slagging off" is fuelled by (understandable) bitterness and disappointment over a talented young footballer snubbing the club/manager we all support. It's mainly seems to be along the lines of "feck him, if he wants to leave, it's his loss".

Most of the anger seems to be directed at his agent. Who stands to make almost 2 million quid by doing his best to get Pogba to join Juventus. Again, understandable. The fat feck.

Why would it bother you that United fans are a bit pissed off at some footballer who turned down a contract to stay at the club?
 
I'm disappointed. We don't know what happened. Even Fergie said "it's obvious the boy wants to stay" so I don't know who is to blame here.
 
MacMUFC said:
Why wouldn't he turn down the offer of better pay and more first team football at a top club? He's not a United fan. Some people need to realise that 'just because we're Man United' perhaps not everyone is going to give a left bollock to play for us. Personally, I say good luck to him.

I do wonder if he would've been slightly more willing to stay had this been the team from 07-09 though.
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Aye, that makes sense. You just said he's leaving for more first team football. Was that more or less likely at United from 07-09 than it is now?
 
MacMUFC said:
Why wouldn't he turn down the offer of better pay and more first team football at a top club? He's not a United fan. Some people need to realise that 'just because we're Man United' perhaps not everyone is going to give a left bollock to play for us. Personally, I say good luck to him.

I do wonder if he would've been slightly more willing to stay had this been the team from 07-09 though.
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Solskjaer came to us as a Liverpool fan but even though he could have left, he didn't. Why? Probably for a number of reasons such as friendships, appreciation of the history and facilities available at United as well as feeling a sense that he was indebted to Ferguson and the club and Ferguson for the support he had been shown.

In Pogba's case we paid him very good wages for a kid his age and a first class football education. On top of that we offered him a substantial amount of money for a new contract even though he has in NO WAY proved that he is worth it yet. We were willing to take a punt on his potential. In my mind he owes us a lot more than we owe him. If he doesn't feel he owes us anything then fine, goodbye Pogba.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Aye, that makes sense. You just said he's leaving for more first team football. Was that more or less likely at United from 07-09 than it is now?
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His post as usual makes no sense. Why does the "07-09" team would've made any difference, that Juve team isn't better than us at all.
 
SharkyMcShark said:
So is this official yet?
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There hasn't been an announcement about it on the United or Juventus official sites, but it has been reported in most media sources so while there's not been an official statement by either club yet it does look to have been completed.
 
KM said:
FFS It's the agent fees of 1.9m which Juventus are willing to pay which is the main thing.

People are really fecking wondering whether we're skint to pay 20k a week to a player. Some here are absolutely idiots.
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To be honest I don't think anyone is of the belief that we cannot afford £20k a week. But likewise I doubt that Pogba is gaining nothing from the transfer and it is only the agent being the beneficiary.

If I was a betting man I'd say that the wages being offered by AN Other are quite a bit better. As many have pointed out we tend not to pay our youngsters particularly well in comparison to teams abroad or the likes of Arsenal. I think we hold the opinion that you shouldn't shell out wages on someone unproven in the first team, which is all well and good but over time it's inevitable that you will lose some good players because of these values.
 
Fergie has a press conference today. I think he'll clarify the situation, although it does look like he's good as gone.
 
finneh said:
To be honest I don't think anyone is of the belief that we cannot afford £20k a week. But likewise I doubt that Pogba is gaining nothing from the transfer and it is only the agent being the beneficiary.

If I was a betting man I'd say that the wages being offered by AN Other are quite a bit better. As many have pointed out we tend not to pay our youngsters particularly well in comparison to teams abroad or the likes of Arsenal. I think we hold the opinion that you shouldn't shell out wages on someone unproven in the first team, which is all well and good but over time it's inevitable that you will lose some good players because of these values.
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We pay our youngsters well enough. Welbeck was given a contract of 15k when he was 19 and that was three years ago. Do you seriously think we won't pay Pogba near that amount considering how highly rated he is by Sir Alex and the coaching staff(according to the article he has signed a contract with Juve for 20k Euros).

I don't know but people have created the myths of
"United offering contracts late" or "United doesn't pay youngsters well"

What it's based on?
How many youngsters have really lose on to wages. I think Pogba's the only one. Rossi and Pique had different reasons but it wasn't money and we simply kicked out Morrison. Fryers looks like he has signed a new contract as he's played for the reserves yesterday.

For every case of Aaron Ramsey, there's Chris Smalling and Phil Jones, so it's not an issue of us not paying well.

The only thing against the club is that they have perhaps waited too long to negotiate Pogba's contract, although according to Fergie Pogba has changed his agents twice so that perhaps made it difficult.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I'm not sure why people feel the need to speak up for him.

The "slagging off" is fuelled by (understandable) bitterness and disappointment over a talented young footballer snubbing the club/manager we all support. It's mainly seems to be along the lines of "feck him, if he wants to leave, it's his loss".

Most of the anger seems to be directed at his agent. Who stands to make almost 2 million quid by doing his best to get Pogba to join Juventus. Again, understandable. The fat feck.

Why would it bother you that United fans are a bit pissed off at some footballer who turned down a contract to stay at the club?
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Nah, it's not those comments that I mean. It's the "feckin' greedy twat" "money grabbing cnut" type comments that I find a bit jouvinille.

If he's being offered significatly more money to work for another company then I don't blame him for taking it.
 
It is disappointing because I doubt the club expected this but it was almost inevitable once the fat agent got involved. Perhaps we could have addressed this earlier but it might not have made any difference.

Does place more pressure on the CM position.
 
Another talent leaving, really frustrating. I mean almost all of us saw a future united consisting of cleverley, pogba, morrison and cleverley. Really a bad year in terms of these things. Whatever be the thing, we should be able to hold on to our talented players although morrison was a different case. I am not sure if it was all about first team football though.
 
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