He came on when the game was effectively over. Fergie probably told him to go and enjoy himself.
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He came on when the game was effectively over. Fergie probably told him to go and enjoy himself.
I'd put money on it. I can't see us having anything to do with him if he was going, and playing him recently convinces me there's been something settled, and it has to be positive.
Of course it's all speculation, but I think Pogba getting game time can only really point to one thing - he's staying.
Boy done good. I was waiting for the chants of "Pogba must stay" last night but couldnt hear much over those blasted noisy spanish rascals
In what way? Whatever he agrees to earn in a 4 year deal is all he is legally entitled to. Unless you are saying we will give him a better deal? That does happen at United, but is his agent willing to accept our word when we say we'll improve his deal?
Well yeah. He'd start on the wages of an unproven new starter and then gain a new contract in eighteen months time or whatever if he proves he can cut it in the first team.
Whatever way you look at it, he's as yet entirely unproven; he looks ready for the first team, but he's definitely not a proven first team player. He'll get a four year contract or whatever, starting on a relatively low wage, and then that will be improved upon if he goes on to show that he can transfer his talent in the reserves to senior football; he won't have to wait the full duration of his contract to get the improved offer, not if he shows he can hack it at senior level.
Yeah Athlectic stopped trying which is why we created a bundle of chances and were unlucky to lose....
I hope you're right, it would make more sense than anything else, but I can't see why we wouldn't have announced it by now if he had signed a deal, and can't understand why he hasn't signed it if he has agreed to it, that part is confusing. I really hope we aren't giving European experience to someone who will be elsewhere next year, whilst in the meantime United fans get excited by a young prospect and have their hopes raised.
That's fair enough.
On a side note, I've got a bad feeling that this will drag on until the summer. If, at this point, Pogba had made it clear that he wanted to stay and that is why he is back in the squad, then I think he'd have signed by now. It's still confusing as to why he disappeared for a week or two. At first I thought he must have agreed a new deal, but that can't be the case as he hasn't signed yet.
I think it's possible to agree a deal on principle, whilst waiting for lawyers to thrash out the finer details (image rights etc.) which can take another few days/weeks.
I'm not sure how long it takes to write up a contract, but if it can take weeks then that is probably what is happening. I thought it'd only take a few days to do though, and that is why I'm not sure he's signed yet as it would have been done.
The only problem with my theory is that Pogba being frozen out and then being involved in every game this last week doesn't make sense. I suppose him being frozen out did fit in with the stories that he was told he'd not play again until he'd signed. I just think we'd know by now if he had agreed to sign.
It can't take very long to write a contract once the negotiation stage is over; look how quickly players can get signed on deadline day.
If he doesn't sign a new contract - it will be one of the biggest shocks of the season for me. About the only reason I can see for giving him some minutes now is because it's an incentive for him to stay but, just don't see Fergie having that.
I do hope though in the end he is worth the drama.
I do hope though in the end he is worth the drama.
The deadline day kerfuffle is all about the two clubs agreeing a fee and the transfer of registration, all of which needs to be done before a deadline.
Without that deadline, there's none of the urgency and personal terms can be agreed at leisure. Which explains why there's so often leaks about players signing new deals several days/weeks before an official announcement. Of all the new contracts agreed last year, I can't think of one of them which wasn't blurted out in a tabloid a good while before it was on the official website
Yeah I know, I was just using deadline day as an example of a contract being put together very quickly; I'm sure it can take weeks to put together a contract if one wished to take weeks putting together a contract, but if instead one wishes to knock-up a contract in an couple of hours then that's certainly possible too.
From pocco's post I got the impression that he thought contracts might invariably take weeks to write; I was just highlighting an example of that clearly not being the case.
Even with those deadline day transfers, they don't knock up a contract from scratch in a couple of hours. They'll have negotiated/agreed terms with the player long before the two clubs agree a mutually acceptable transfer fee.
Often, a contract is written during negotiations. As soon as one point is agreed, it gets memorialised. At least that's how I used to do them back in the day.
I don't think that's necessarily true at all. Transfers are sometimes done very last minute on deadline day, I mean the whole thing start to finish. Some managers will be on the phone all day ringing round trying to find the best deals available for their club, they won't have been negotiating for these players for weeks or months; contracts can be written up, signed and posted in a matter of an hour or two if necessary I'm sure.
And? That doesn't mean they take weeks to write, does it? If negotiations are done in a rush then contracts can be written in a rush.
The only reason to rush signing the deal is from a supporter perspective so we know he's committed. From the club and his perspective, if they've come to an agreement, then it's just a matter of getting the I's dotted and the T's crossed - for which there isn't any rush.
Deadline day deals are rushed through because there is a deadline - there isn't a deadline here.
As for the rest off the season - well maybe he'll make the bench in some games in the hopes that we are comfortable enough to where he can come and get some minutes but, even that will be dicey because we'll need to have the right options in every game between now and the end if we need to change things and not just give someone a run out.
Deadline day deals are rushed through because there is a deadline - there isn't a deadline here.
As for the rest off the season - well maybe he'll make the bench in some games in the hopes that we are comfortable enough to where he can come and get some minutes but, even that will be dicey because we'll need to have the right options in every game between now and the end if we need to change things and not just give someone a run out.
I think you misread my post. I didn't think it'd take long to do, but that's just pure guesswork on my part.
My agents settled a deal in January and the lawyers are still going back and forth over minor bullshit.
Happens with contracts all the time, no matter the area.
I think the problem is that Harry Redknapp is writing up the contract
Could take some time
Could take some time
heck no. just plug in the amounts and dates and the printer will spit out a standard contract in a minutes time or less.
I don't think that's right at all. They'll have a number of potential targets lined up bit it would be mental to approach a potential signing for the first time on deadline day. Why on earth would they do that?
Redknapp (a special case I know) admitted he bought Van Der Vaart on a whim that day.
I can't find the quote but apparently he thought all his business was done then Levy called him and said "we've been offered Van Der Vaart by Madrid for £8m" wo which 'arry replied something like "That dutch fella who played in Germany for a bit? Yeah sign him up" and that was that...
It definitely does happen although with United there is definitely months of planning and analysing first.
Indeed, and similar for Arteta.
It can all come together pretty fast and out of the blue. It's not how you'd want your club to handle transfers mind, but it doesn't mean it can't happen.
Yep it was Redknapp I had in mind. I've heard managers admit a few times that they signed a player totally last-minute, just rang him on the day and signed him, and I think this will often be the case on deadline day. The managers already have a very deep knowledge of all the players in the league, they'll know who they'd like and who they wouldn't like; if a player gets sold unexpectedly on deadline day then they need to have a re-shuffle quick and perhaps bring someone in - not every club does business like United, you know?
In the very rare cases where that happens they'll probably agree a fee with the clun and outline terms with the player on the understanding that the finer details can be ironed out subsequently. Once lawyers get involved I just don't see how a contract can be written up, agreed and signed all in one day. It would certainly not be the norm, which is the whole point of this particular tangent i.e. Pogba could have agree to stay, in principle, but there are ongoing discussions about certain aspects of the contract.
Does anyone think that we are trying to get him involved in games so we can offer him more than an unproven player by saying he is now a first team player. This may be to prevent a precedent being set with regards to contracts for future youngsters. Or maybe I'm just being a conspiracy theorist....
Very likely and hopefully true.
The one thing we can safely exclude is the possibility that he already agreed a deal with Juventus, because then, his recent appearances would make no sense whatsoever.
It further follows from that of course, that the twitter in the knows were wrong.
Who saw that coming?
Maybe there is a protocol that sees them act differently because of the extraordinary way football transfers happen.
The usual way for lawyers to hold up proceedings is through endless signatures, co-signatures, paperwork, letters and faxes. If you had a Lawyer present from each side they could push it through very quickly. Especially as both Lawyers will be specifically involved with Football and know the contracts inside out and what to look for.
Over a Million views.
Should be enough to persuade him to sign.
Should be enough to persuade him to sign.
800,000 might be scholesy hoping that one time the system might let him post again
Like him even more after seeing that.
Plays it simple, makes himself available, 1 or 2 touches then a pass, so keeps the play moving, can get out of a tight situation.
I particularly like the bit around 2:20 when he turn the guy & he slips on his arse...
Don't feck about mate, sign the contract, you know it makes sense
Like him even more after seeing that.
Plays it simple, makes himself available, 1 or 2 touches then a pass, so keeps the play moving, can get out of a tight situation.
I particularly like the bit around 2:20 when he turn the guy & he slips on his arse...
Don't feck about mate, sign the contract, you know it makes sense
He looked stronger in that game than anyone else on our team, he will be a physical beast when he is 22.
I want him to start the next home game, or at least figure highly. Perhaps with Cleverly and Carrick.
I can't see that happening coming into the business end of the season. Surely Carrick and Scholes will play every game once match fit, and that leaves Giggs and Cleverley to come in and cover.
In that video, I like the play between him and Cleverley around 0:45.
Hope he's on the bench against Wolves.
Hope he's on the bench against Wolves.
He needs to figure highly in the run in. At the moment he probably thinks he got a couple of Europa games to keep him sweet and then he'll be back to the reserves. We need to give him a taste of the excitement of playing for Manchester United in the games that really count - we have nothing to lose as we're short of bodies anyhow: Fletcher's out, Anderson and Cleverley can't be relied upon to stay fit, Scholes and Giggs have to be played sparingly, leaving Pogba and Carrick (I refuse to count Park as a central midfielder as he is a pointless option there)
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