Yep, i don't see any reason for us to go for any other winger.
Gareth Bale is...The most expensive player ever?!
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Yep, i don't see any reason for us to go for any other winger.
Aye. Bale is a very good player but we don't need him ATM
Yes it is considering the strikers we already have. It'd be madness to convert our best winger into a striker and then go on to buy an inferior player to replace him on the wing.
I am undecided on who would be more effective on our left side between Nani and Bale. I think there would be a case for either.
I would certainly not object to his signing. Although I know it will not happen.
I would certainly not object to his signing. Although I know it will not happen.
If he kept his style like Valencia does for you he would be one of the best wingers in the world. But he/Harry decides to make him drift into the middle where he is hopeless at picking the ball up and releasing it/making his runs. If he hugs the line and then cuts inside or runs down the wing he's brilliant.
Really? I find that hard to understand to be honest. Nani is clearly a better player than Bale, and has much more to his game.
I'd also take Valencia over Bale if they played on the same side, because he does a better job as a winger and offers more overall as well.
I think Bale is a very good player don't get me wrong, but those two are something else. Plus we have decent back-up anyway, I'm not sure we should be re-inforcing an area we aren't really having any problems with, especially when there are more important positions to fill. That said, I wouldn't complain either, but just can't see the need or point as he would never come cheap. Money we could use elsewhere and all that.
276 assists in 573 games? Are you having a laugh? That can not possibly be accurate. If you really believe that stat, then i can only conclude that you did not actually watch Giggs in his first 10 years.
I'm sure that's not the only conclusion you can come to.
Giggs has averaged 12 assists a season since 2002, so if you average that out throughout his career as a regular that'd be 252; it's not that absurd.
FYI, Giggs is and was a pretty freaking awesome player. True story
Work out the numbers...he very definitely did achieve that. There are multiple sites that quote his career assists. That's how good he has been, and for that long. We just see a new watered down version, and have forgotten what Giggs was. I knew this would happen...and some people would doubt the numbers...his sheer longevity has become the talking point, and some people have forgotten what he accomplished as a player.
We had 'wasteful', 'inconsistent', 'infuriating' - Nani, get 18/19 assists in the league last season, and despite missing a lot of games through injury, on 8/9 this season. So, of course Ryan Giggs has averaged 11/12 assists a season over the duration of his career.
As for watching Giggs...I was only 8 when he made his debut in 1990, and in the US...no I definitely didn't watch a lot of him in the early years...but that doesn't mean I haven't since spent a fair bit of time catching up on United in the early nineties.
This is like the Arsenal fans arguing Pires was a better player
For me, Bale will never come near to the player that is Giggs, it's really pointless trying to compare them. Even if you want to remove the assist argument, Giggs was a much better player.
The assists argument is tedious...and I wouldn't have gotten involved, but once I saw the praise for Bale's final delivery, just felt I had to say something. After all, nothing verifies the quality of a final ball like an assist. And when it comes to that, Ryan Giggs, has been tearing it up for 20+ years(even taking into consideration the inconsistency of delivery EVERY winger in the history of football has/had).
Exactly. Nani is pretty easily a better player than Bale. I can only assume people want Bale because of the notion that goes around here that Nani isn't as good on the left, and the fact that he's right footed.
I also can't comprehend why someone would suggest Nani not be ahead of Valencia on the right. 2 good months for Valencia, which Nani has also been injured for, I guess. But that's a different debate.
Either way, dropping Nani from the team to accomodate a severely overrated and overpriced Bale would be lunacy.
I'm probably underrating Bale, but I don't really think he's the type of winger who's excellent in a team that wants to dominate possession. I think the appearances (particularly the two Inter games) that made some people call him "world class" came in games where he was allowed space to run. His incredible speed is what makes him dangerous, but if you take that away - like teams do when they defend deep - I don't really think he's that special to be honest.
I know you could say that Valencia relies on his speed as well, but I think there's a few vital differences between him and Bale. IMO Valencia has a much better cross and is a much more selfless player who has a very good eye for his team mates. The times I've seen Bale play this season he's often gone on silly mazy runs or taken a no-hope shot on goal, rather than passing the ball to a teammate. Valencia is also incredibly strong, which helps him when going past his man if he comes close.
I can't see us buying Bale anyway. We bought Young as cover last season, and there's no way United in it's current financial position would spend £30m (or whatever Spurs will sell him for) on a player who's not going to be first choice.
I know you could say that Valencia relies on his speed as well, but I think there's a few vital differences between him and Bale. IMO Valencia has a much better cross and is a much more selfless player who has a very good eye for his team mates. The times I've seen Bale play this season he's often gone on silly mazy runs or taken a no-hope shot on goal, rather than passing the ball to a teammate. Valencia is also incredibly strong, which helps him when going past his man if he comes close.
I can't see us buying Bale anyway. We bought Young as cover last season, and there's no way United in it's current financial position would spend £30m (or whatever Spurs will sell him for) on a player who's not going to be first choice.
I said at the start of the season when the Bale hyperbole was going off the radar that I would not swap Valencia for him and got shot down by a few. That being said Bale's crossing is superb and he is strong also and a willing worker and if we could get him on the left and Valencia on the right that would be a sight to behold especially with Nani and Young as a back up or behind Rooney in the whole.
I'd take Bale over Nani in a straight swap deal.
Work out the numbers...he very definitely did achieve that. There are multiple sites that quote his career assists. That's how good he has been, and for that long. We just see a new watered down version, and have forgotten what Giggs was. I knew this would happen...and some people would doubt the numbers...his sheer longevity has become the talking point, and some people have forgotten what he accomplished as a player.
We had 'wasteful', 'inconsistent', 'infuriating' - Nani, get 18/19 assists in the league last season, and despite missing a lot of games through injury, on 8/9 this season. So, of course Ryan Giggs has averaged 11/12 assists a season over the duration of his career.
As for watching Giggs...I was only 8 when he made his debut in 1990, and in the US...no I definitely didn't watch a lot of him in the early years...but that doesn't mean I haven't since spent a fair bit of time catching up on United in the early nineties.
This is like the Arsenal fans arguing Pires was a better player
Pires was awesome for Arsenal and at times did have better seasons than Giggs but over the whole he doesn't compare to our Ryan and that's no slant on him.
That's probably because you're an idiot.
Any particular reason why? It doesn't make sense for so many reasons.
Yep agree as it would give us better balance but Nani is far more talented, still think Robben is a better left winger than Bale though.
Better balance, despite Nani being more talented?
How so then, if Nani is more talented, this would suggest Bale offers something more in defence or attack. Neither of those are true.
How so then, if Nani is more talented, this would suggest Bale offers something more in defence or attack. Neither of those are true.
Yup, no argument there...he had an amazing 3-4 seasons for Arsenal, think he got something like a minimum of 14-15 goals in the league in each of those seasons....
Its surely not a crazy opinion.
I think many would be unsure on who they would prefer between the two. It's not an obvious answer.
Nani looks like he has more talent. But Bale could perhaps be more effective.
Who knows though. I wouldnt swap the two as I simply don't know which I prefer and would be better for Utd.
What the feck?
Let's swap a far better player for a crapper player purely because the latter will add more balance to the team. Genius!
It's a mental opinion.
"Looks like" he has more talent? He clearly does, and he has been a better player than Bale in the last 3 years (and MUCH more effective), contrary to overly wanktastic opinions from journalists based on a few great performances last season.
There should be no debate, Nani is comfortably better and I'd be disgusted if we were to swap/sell him in order to get Bale instead.
Would be brilliant to have Bale, and if we were City I'd say go for it, but we're not, and we have more pressing demands on our limited transfer funds than Bale.
Oh, and no swapsies either.
Yes, it's fecking crazy.
Why swap a player, for a player who isn't as good?
Bale is not as good, or as consistent as Nani in attack, and there are no two ways about it, Nani is a much better defender. We also have the advantage of knowing exactly how Nani plays for United, and how we deal with him in our team. We don't have that same experience for Bale, it's a gamble, for a player who isn't as good. For me, it's clear who is a better player, and it's not in any one area, Nani is comfortably better than Bale.
When has Bale showed himself to be more effective?
Nani is 25, Bale 22... might explain it. Bale is much better now than Nani was at his age, the same Nani who by the time he was Bale's age had managed 31 games and 6 goals the previous season.
Given the fact Bale is younger and a natural leftie I'd swap him in a second, Nani is currently a better player but Bale is only going to get better.
He offers better balance as he is a natural left sided player. He can also play left back offering us cover for Evra. Nani though is more talented than Bale and Valencia and is less consistent imo throughout the 90 mins. Where as players like Valencia and Bale are relentless with their work rate Nani imo has flashes of genius. Bale does offer better defensive qualities than Nani imo but as said Nani has that magic in him that both Bale and Valencia rarely have.
That’s why I said I was undecided
And although I have been very impressed with Nani's workrate and his tracking back. Surely Bale is the better defender seeing as he was a left back a few years ago.
I am sitting on the fence. But as you correctly point out we already know what Nani can do so a hypothetical swap would be a bad decision.
I would love to have both even though it will never happen
Explain what?
Age isn't always the main factor in judging who the better and more talented player is, you know.
Oh here we go...
Not sure if serious
No, but look at Nani when he was Bale's age, then look at Bale now.
I didn't rate Bale in defense as much, but perhaps I'm wrong on that one.
We'd be a weaker team with Bale and Valencia vs Nani and Valencia, so I don't think the balance comes into it.
It would be crazy to see a choice of wingers between Nani, Bale, Valencia and Young, but I just don't see the point. He'd be very expensive, ridiculously in fact, and we don't need him at all, but we do need other players.
We'd be a weaker team with Bale and Valencia vs Nani and Valencia, so I don't think the balance comes into it.
It would be crazy to see a choice of wingers between Nani, Bale, Valencia and Young, but I just don't see the point. He'd be very expensive, ridiculously in fact, and we don't need him at all, but we do need other players.