Sir Ryan Giggs
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The more the past two seasons have progressed, i can't help but think he's returned to being a better player on the left wing. He just hasn't done that well in central midfield recently, but boy when he gets on that wing he always delivers.
I say we put him back on the wing as and when he does play.
I say we put him back on the wing as and when he does play.
I think he gives the ball away far too much but he makes up for that by playing a big part in so many of our goals.
Doesn't seem to have stopped you moaning
Valencia is not as creative a player as Giggs, he's relatively predictable (though still very effective). Giggs has magic, when he gets it right and the other player is on his wavelength, he can split defences out of nowhere. When he gets it wrong, or the player doesn't see what he's trying, we lose the ball.
Personally I'm glad we have both facets to our game. Two Valencias would be too predictable, two Giggsys too erratic.
It's always like that with him in the last 2 years. Having games in which he loses possession regularly, playing misplaced passes and generally looking a bit poor and then let's you forget about it all with a masterpiece. I love him
The point is there wouldn't be the goals without the feck-ups. They're the same kind of thing he's trying, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Highly creative players are usually like that... no-one remembers the Zidane balls that didn't find their man but they were frequent.
I seriously worry for United when Giggs & Scholes (again) retire. They are one of a kind at our club, no other players are even remotely in the same mould as them, and without them the team is sapped of most of it's creativity. Can Fergie replace them? He's never had to replace the two most influential players (in their current teams) at the same time in his United career, at least in my view. Without them United crumble to stale-mate shit far too often.
Essien looked fecked after about 50 minutes, which is not suprising given it's his first start in about 3 years.
Mereiles always looks like he's just been woken up.
We really missed Rameires today.
I know what you're saying but i think at times he can be very careless with his passing or attempt things that are never on. I think theres too much of his passing thats high risk and i think at times we'd benefit better with a slightly more cautious approach, otherwise we're spending too much time trying to win the ball back in games.
Sure, there are certainly games where he is too wasteful. Personally I wouldn't change him though.
I don't disagree, but they're not the two most influential players... Rooney and Vidic are as influential or more so.
He looks for more killer passes than anyone else. I think that is why it appears that way.
I cannot believe he was still full of running right until the end today
Well I think that's more than a fair view, maybe I should be more specific but I think just in terms of making the team play and creating chances, both Giggs & Scholes are much more effective than Rooney, and I can't argue with your opinion of Vidic but we can still defend well without him!
Without Scholes & Giggs I'm not so sure we're as capable in that department!
Found Rooney in space in behind the midfield over and over again but people get too frustrated with the misplaced passes to acknowledge so many of the creative ones. He wouldn't be castigated because the facts are right there in front of you - he's got 8 assists in 8 PL starts (or 10 in 12 overall) this year, only Silva's gotten more assists. His creativity's obvious and absolutely vital to us.
Plays a specific role and does it very well if you look at the numbers, ridiculous that he's still this damn good.
Totally agree, and the worrying thing is without him we have nothing like it!
Agreed.
Ha, I wonder how many chances would have been created were it not for Giggs, hardly any is my bet.
He's too good for his own good at times. Sloppy with the simple passes sometimes, but he can turn a game in 2 seconds.
898 appearances, if he makes it to a 1,000 I might actually cry.
Exactly. You need a player who's going to take chances at times, sometimes you'll lose the ball but get it right and you'll likely get an excellent chance and with our players a goal. Like you said though you notice the missed passes far more than the completed passes in the way Giggs plays. There were a number of passes and runs he made where he did really well but we didn't make the best of them. His way has its risks but it usually pays off, and if we hadn't conceded 3 sloppy goals that style would have probably seen us win the game.
He put two great performances last year against Chelsea again on the left. He should play there,especially against bigger sides and tougher midfield, but given our "options" in midfield he has to fill in. That was one helluva cross tho..
Game changer tonight. Stretched the Blackburn defense and put in some cracking crosses. Looked a different side after he came on.
I wondered what SAF was thinking starting Jones there. I've yet to understand one reason for it. Could have had Young, Giggs or Welbeck but you had Jones there. When I saw the line up I assumed he would be covering the back more than the front but he was doing the opposite.
As expected Giggs was subbed on and the game changed for the better immediately.
As expected Giggs was subbed on and the game changed for the better immediately.
Absolutely. We instantly became about twice as creative. He just thinks differently from most players, they can't predict what he's going to do... admittedly sometimes including his own players.
In fairness it gave us complete control of the midfield area, and in effect killed off the match as a contest in that area.
I think Fergie predicted that Blackburn would be a bit bolder at home, not lowering their midfield just outside of their own box. I think he expected a battle for the midfield, and Blackburn never showed up. When he felt a bit more creativity and width was needed, on came Giggs.
Giggs shouldn't be starting games IMO; and i think that it should be rare that him and Scholesy are on the pitch at the same time given their collective age.
Scholesy looks that much better starting games and going off when he tires, but giggsy i think can still be that impact player but hasn't looked too good when starting games this season.
Scholesy looks that much better starting games and going off when he tires, but giggsy i think can still be that impact player but hasn't looked too good when starting games this season.
I thought Giggs was good when he came on and put some excellent balls in the box. Should have started ahead of Jones for me if we were gonna go for a three. Still great impact player to have.
Did it really though? I didn't really see Jones contributing that much to us keeping the ball. I reckon having Rooney there, similarly to how he's been playing for most this second half of the season, dropping deep when we don't have the ball would have offered a lot more. Giggs as well. I could understand Jones if he was playing a role that would free up say Carrick or Scholes to get forward but he played almost in attacking midfield and tbh I thought it was hindering us. It's the same as when Park plays there. Neither of them has enough about them to play in such a crucial area and so our moves aren't as effective.
Still fair point about Fergie expecting them to play a bit more attackingly, and I can see Jones being included for his height, but I still think we should have gone with either giggs or Rooney there.
In the end we produced as controlled and composed a performance as you'll ever see in a title run in, against a reinvigorated Blackburn absolutely desperate for survival.
As I said, I felt Ferguson thought Blackburn would play higher up, making it a battle for the midfield, which in the end it wasn't - maybe Rooney in the hole and Giggs wide left would have sufficed, and produced more going forward, but I thought we tired Blackburn according to plan then threw in the wide men and killed them.
No doubt it was composed, certainly we looked more comfortable than against fulham but I didn't think we were threatening enough and in the end although it was deserved we were fortunate that Valencia scored a wonder goal/ fluke. Without that I'm not sure we would have gotten the goal, I felt we waited to long to take jones off and also to get young on the left. Still we won and that's all that matters, I just hope we don't see more of jones in attacking midfield.
one of his better performance of late. giggs has been a bit shocking lately, especially when he starts but he absolutely change the game when he came on. we need a left winger and he did a great job there.
As I've said before, I don't think Giggs has been that bad, it's just the type of game he always plays which can sometimes let us down. He's an all or nothing player. He'll always go for the difficult final ball. Sometimes it works; sometimes it doesn't. Lately, it just hasn't really been working for him.
Yeah it's total bollocks. He's had another brilliant season, with no more than two or three off performances recently. Thank feck, because our centre midfield has been severely weakened and if he hadn't stood up this season we'd have been fecked.
Genuinely depressing that many of our fans can't see what he offers, year after year.
Brilliant is probably a step too far. I don't think he's had a brilliant season by any stretch of the imagination, but the fans can be annoying with the way they react to him. He'll lose the ball several times because of how he plays, people will say that he should be dropped. If he is dropped and we're struggling to find that killer ball in the next game because nobody is willing to take the risk, then those fans will continue to complain.
I think this is spot on Cheese - and Giggsy is more effective coming off the bench but still has a bit of shelf life as a starter.
Too fecking right... I got sick of being wrong a few seasons ago, personally, and decided to trust him over the course of a season. He always vindicates that decision.
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The wigan match where he got overrun gives me nightmares about Giggsy starting with a midfield 2, or even with Scholes in a 3.
He can maybe have some games on the wing.
Lotta subs appearances for him next season; as a starter he ain't got the legs.
He can maybe have some games on the wing.
Lotta subs appearances for him next season; as a starter he ain't got the legs.