Holy feck, the amount of stick Welbeck is getting in this thread is unbelievable. Apart from some poor finishing, I think he has had a great debut season! Better than I, or I'd suspect everyone on this forum, would have anticipated.
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The game was over, I think Fergie just wanted to give him one last run out at Old Trafford and this was the best opportunity.
I stay away from the Welbeck thread for that reason. Gets tiresome.
Or maybe SAF just wants to give him a bit of playing time before he leaves us. He's earned it, regardless of what some may think.
Think they blame him for having the audacity to pushing Berbatov down the pecking order.
Think people forget how young Welbeck is because he has been around a while
What drives me mad is people that don't appreciate a central midfielder that's been key to our last 4 league titles, one CL and 2 unsuccessful CL finals, but then defend Berbatov to the hilt who's contribution in all but one season could be missed with little to no affect on the final outcome.
He might have made more of a contribution had he actually been played .
And if we' d had a midfield like we always used to, it would have made a difference too
You seem to be quite upset about that
And no, his first two seasons weren't "pretty horrific" at all. He played a substantial role for our 18th league title, scoring as many winning goals as Ronaldo and contributing as many goals as Rooney. And he scored 12 goals from 24 league starts in his second season, and added 7 assists, that wasn't "pretty horrific" either. Surely, he didn't live up to the expectations. But, IMO, he was decent not bad.
You seem to be quite upset about that
And no, his first two seasons weren't "pretty horrific" at all. He played a substantial role for our 18th league title, scoring as many winning goals as Ronaldo and contributing as many goals as Rooney. And he scored 12 goals from 24 league starts in his second season, and added 7 assists, that wasn't "pretty horrific" either. Surely, he didn't live up to the expectations. But, IMO, he was decent not bad.
He fecking what? Jesus christ i've seen some drivel spoken about Berbatov but that takes the cake!
The only winner I can think of that Berbatov scored in that season was against Stoke and it was served on a platter to him by Tevez.
For Ronaldo you might as well list the knock out stages of the CL, Two crucial goals 'one absolutely out of nothing' against Villa, free kick v Blackburn, he and Rooney ripping Spurs to shreds. That's just off the top of my head.
You seem to be quite upset about that
And no, his first two seasons weren't "pretty horrific" at all. He played a substantial role for our 18th league title, scoring as many winning goals as Ronaldo and contributing as many goals as Rooney. And he scored 12 goals from 24 league starts in his second season, and added 7 assists, that wasn't "pretty horrific" either. Surely, he didn't live up to the expectations. But, IMO, he was decent not bad.
you what? During his frist season with us he was a very definition of a "spanner thrown in the works" expression. he was bloody terrible. his second was decent ok, Ill give you that.
Horrific in the first two seasons?
I forgot how awful are in you these kind of threads. As I said it's pretty retarded for anyone to hate a United player so much. Yet you, marchi and SunnyJim reach new levels of it in this thread. Not even counting that retarded bot Drifter.
Berbatov was the one who served it on a platter for Tevez...Ronaldo scored the winner against Villa, Blackburn, Everton and West Ham in the league. Berbatov did so against Newcastle, Bolton, Spurs and Middlesborough. Ronaldo wasn't really that influential in the league in 08/09 and wasn't really that influential in all competitions up until April time. I can't believe anyone would call him atrocious in his first season, absurd really.
Surely it was Macheda with the Villa winner!
Completely agree though. In 2009/10 particular I thought he was actually very good, scored some stunning goals but was of course over shadowed because Rooney had a big season.
Ultimately though, he didn't perform when we really needed him in the Chelsea defeat and Blackburn draws and that is maybe what people remember
Berbatov was top quality for his 1st two seasons. Added loads of quality to the side and clearly made us better in every way.
How does that sound?
How does that sound?
Much better.
How the feck did Berbatov score the winner against Spurs? We were 4-2 up after Ronaldo and Rooney both netted braces that killed off Spurs.
Not sure if you guys are aruging about just league goals or what but, Berba scored winner against Spurs in the FA Cup that season. Fantastic ball by Carrick, wonderfully taken in his stride by Berba and finished from the top of the 18 yard box.
Yep, somehow mistook that FA Cup game for a league game! Regardless that's 3 league winners each for Ronaldo and Berbatov that year...
I meant only league goals and think I'm right, Berbatov scored 3 winners and Ronaldo did the same.
Not sure about all compets, Berbatov had a goal vs Spurs and Ronaldo that fantastic goal vs Porto. Technically seen, both finished the season with 4 winners.
Obviously, Ronaldo scored many other important goals, e.g. the goals vs Arsenal in the CL etc. I'm not saying that Berbatov was as good as Ronaldo which he wasn't.
The pont was that he wasn't half as bad as marchi, randall etc want us to believe. And it's hardly surptising that they don't know the facts and speak out of their arse.
Not sure about all compets, Berbatov had a goal vs Spurs and Ronaldo that fantastic goal vs Porto. Technically seen, both finished the season with 4 winners.
Obviously, Ronaldo scored many other important goals, e.g. the goals vs Arsenal in the CL etc. I'm not saying that Berbatov was as good as Ronaldo which he wasn't.
The pont was that he wasn't half as bad as marchi, randall etc want us to believe. And it's hardly surptising that they don't know the facts and speak out of their arse.
What facts have I gotten wrong you little feck wit?
Does Ronaldo's spurs goal count as a winner considering it was 3-2 and spurs didn't score another goal? What about his free kicks against Stoke and Man City?
Or what about Berbatov's against West Brom?
What exactly defines a winner because as far as I can see, the stats show that Ronaldo influenced far more games for United that year than Berbatov.
Marchi, give it rest!! We get it, he got your mam pregnant and then abandoned you
That's the problem isn't it - what you see is clearly skewed, you even attributed a goal Tevez scored as the only winner Berba scored that season.
Berba didn't give us a 30m player type season but, he wasn't terrible. Quite productive and had his say in a number of games. Ronaldo was the best player in the world next to Messi and as such it stands to reason that he influenced a fair number of games. That doesn't mean Berba was insignificant.
When talking about influencing games - the bit of magic against West Ham and even setup Tevez for the goal against the dippers only for us to mess it up defensively. Not enough perhaps but, enough of them to not be classified as attrocious.
Top scorer in the season we made history by winning a record breaking 19th title, that'll do for me.
Also that hat-trick against the scum
Also that hat-trick against the scum
If you knew the facts, you wouldn't have written what you wrote. Because it would be irrational to do so, no?
Try to argue convincingly that scoring as many winners as Ronaldo, contributing as many goals as Rooney in the league and assisting more goals than any other United palyer amounts to having "a horrific season".
Marchi just got owned. Not a big surprise, the Berba bashers never based their opinion on facts. Especally when facts so obviously contradict their tired arguments.
I never claimed his first season was awful, that was Randall
There is only one guy proving to be a feckwit in this whole argument and that's you. Perhaps Sunny Jim aswell.
Coming from the guy who was constantly having a go at me for suggesting his day were numbered?
I am leaving the thread again now.
You mean like Ferguson doesn't trust him? I thought the fact he didn't start in the CL final was enough proof of that.
Or what about the fact he's scored 4 times in his United career post mid march.
Or that fact he failed to score for 3 years in a cup competition he was mostly signed to help us win.
What???? I suggest you actually read the various threads
Now I really am leaving the thread