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I said fact not facht
What a silly argument.
Would we have won the league in 2008/9 without Berbatov? Most likely yes.
Would we have won the league in 2008/9 without Ronaldo? Likely No.
That really has been the problem with Berba's career. Bar last season where he did make a significant contribution towards our league win, he has not been crucial to our fortunes at all. That is fine for a squad player not for someone who was bought for first team.
If you are intent on seeing everything in black and white, then Berba was more of a failure than success at United.
Would we have won the league in 2008/9 without Berbatov? Most likely yes.
Would we have won the league in 2008/9 without Ronaldo? Likely No.
That really has been the problem with Berba's career. Bar last season where he did make a significant contribution towards our league win, he has not been crucial to our fortunes at all. That is fine for a squad player not for someone who was bought for first team.
If you are intent on seeing everything in black and white, then Berba was more of a failure than success at United.
You won't leave the thread though, you'll actually bump this thread in weeks and make a snidey comment.
Yes, and Berbatov has been so fecking amazing that Fergie decided to sell him. what does he know.
I've said it before- I don't know what Berbatov was brought for. His first season with us was terrible..yeah stats might suggest otherwise (stats get usually quoted when they support Berbs), but i will never forget Berbs walking around half line trying to engineering any sort of movement. He never lacked individual skills, he has never been a right fit for this team. Spanner thrown at works, that was he was. His contribution to our recent success needs credit, he played for my club and deserves respect for on and off filed behavior but if it was up to me i would have never singed him, never broken Rooney-Tevez partnership to accommodate him.
The problem i have with Berba lovers is that no matter what he does it's either fantastic (which is not) and never his fault if he fails.
By that same logic if Tevez was so amazing then Fergie would've made get him signed up early.
I didn't dispute that, marchi, Ronaldo is a different class to Berbatov, we know that well. No matter how you define 'winning goal', Berbatov scored about as many winnning goals as our best player that season, so his season wasn't as as bad as you suggested.
Fergie said that it was probably his mistake to let him go. I would need to find a quote, it was said in the recent interview.
Edit: got it
No the problem is when people are trying to belittle Berbatov's achievements for no reason at all.
I keep on bringing Tevez into this discussion because I honestly think the people who were the biggest Tevez's fans are actually Berba's biggest criticizers.
Look at Randall's description of Tevez's second season(which was Berbatov's first)
Then Compare it to what Randall says about Berbatov's first season being horrific. You tell me how the hell did Tevez made a significant contribution when he scored only 5 goals as compared to Berba who scored 9 goals and yet was labelled as having a horrific season.
Thats a fair point in regards to Berbatov and Tevez that season made by KM.
Well firstly, it is odd that any United fan would be any kind of fan of Tevez aka massive cnut now.
Also a thread about Berba can not only be about his achievements, people are always going to come in and criticise him since he has not been a runaway success people expect every signing to be.
There are also two sides to every coin. Some people did develop some kind of weird blanket around Berba trying to find an excuse for him every time he had a bad outing. Caf thought police was extra strong on this particular issue for what ever reason. That always riles the other side even more up. Not saying there are not Berba haters here with an agenda, but pointing out there are also people who seem keen to stifle all and any criticism of Berba. In fact we see less of them nowdays because with Fergie dropping Berba out of sight, it is a pretty hard job to do.
This is not the first time this has happened. Those who remember the caf pre 2003, know it was the same with Veron.
He's just posted this on his official Facebook page:
Just to make things clear. I got kicked in the knee 3 days ago. Tried to train with the team, but still a bit painful and sore. We decided not to be involved tomorrow. So please, no speculation. Good luck to the boys tomorrow, and enjoy the game.
Just to make things clear. I got kicked in the knee 3 days ago. Tried to train with the team, but still a bit painful and sore. We decided not to be involved tomorrow. So please, no speculation. Good luck to the boys tomorrow, and enjoy the game.
Madness, eh? Facts to support an argument...absolutely ludicrous.
And stats don't tell the whole and true story. It's what makes Liverpools moneyball system so laughable. This isn't baseball.
He didn't say they did, he clearly said 'to support an argument'
With Berbatov most of the time that is the argument.
Sorry Brwned for not putting enough attention into your post.
Music's down, unfortunately, due to copyright reasons. Still a great video.
Remember his first season in England, he really was brilliant. Had a bit of pace as well back then, as you can see. Shame it didn't quite work out. I will miss his quality and style and never think about him as a genuine flop.
EDIT: The pass to Keane around 5:25 mark
Wot?
Although I came around on him prior to last season, I think he's one that I (and likely others) won't truly appreciate til he's gone.
Now there are rumours in the local press that he may go to the MLS for a lot of money. I hope not, he still has a couple of good seasons of European football left in him, imho. Then he can do the US.
Still seems that Borussia Dortmund and PSG are interested. Who knows, we'll see. I miss watching him play, it is such a waste.
Still seems that Borussia Dortmund and PSG are interested. Who knows, we'll see. I miss watching him play, it is such a waste.
A total waste, he's too good for that. Such a same he couldn't get a game because our attack is so faultless . Oh wait ........
He's like an expensive car. He's classy, his skills are a joy to watch, however he needs a hardworking, fast and creative team build around him. Its not Berba who failed the club. We knew his weaknesses and strengths long before he signed him up. Its the club who failed Berba. We cant afford him.
I'll miss the cool bulgarian bastard when he goes. Will be good if he gets a chance to start at OT as Danny's missing. Should be given a nice farewell by the fans.
He is a great luxury, it's a shame that in the Premier League and Champions League you can no longer afford to carry one player who is capable of a bit of magic. Ibrahimovic found the same was the case at Barcelona, but look how great he is doing domestically.
I wouldn't be surprised if Berbatov ended up at at Inter, Napoli (if Cavani leaves) or Juve. He'd be a perfect fit.
I would rather get rid of a high class luxury ferrari, who is always breaking down and inconsistantly running, and have a hard working, efficient bmw 3 series that works day in day out, and doesnt let you down when asked.
Im afraid his utd career is summed up by the fa cup semi final miss against city.
So close but yet so far.
He is a great "footballer", makes dribbling look classy and his hold up play is superb, but he just isnt lethal enough at putting the ball in the net.
If only he showed more of his finishing like against everton away and blackpool, then he could of been something bigger here.
Im afraid his utd career is summed up by the fa cup semi final miss against city.
So close but yet so far.
He is a great "footballer", makes dribbling look classy and his hold up play is superb, but he just isnt lethal enough at putting the ball in the net.
If only he showed more of his finishing like against everton away and blackpool, then he could of been something bigger here.
The car purred beautifully against weaker opposition.
Yes Berbs has amazing technique and yes the Berbs is cool as feck off the pitch but it just isn't true is it. He became inhibited in the bigger pressure games and against better players.
How long will the queue of clubs wanting to build their team round him be?
I'll miss him too. Really appreciate the amount of respect he has shown towards the club.
But what's this about Ferraris and luxury? He never scored enough goals consistently. He never seemed to have made that step up from playing for Spurs. Maybe due to mentality or maybe due to his style of play. The club never 'failed' him. That's just rubbish.
I'm not his biggest fan but I appreciate his skills and what he has contributed to the club's success. I think he should move on, for his own sake, and I hope he goes on to be successful whether that be in the MLS or wherever.
There are players like him playing at the highest level. Ibra and Totti (Italy) are classic examples. However you've got a point. They are a dying breed which makes you think why United went for such type of player in the first place.
In my opinion, Berba is yet another victim of SAF's reluctance in not investing in CM. He may have thought that Berba's and Rooney's brilliance backed by the likes of Fletcher, Ando and Park would avoid him from buying some real quality in CM. You can't really blame the man for trying to bypass the problem (which needs to be tackled). I mean, Keane was the last non United homegrown talent to actually become a world class CM with us. The rest either did fairly well (ex Carrick) or were shite (Djemba, Kleberson etc).
You've changed your tune. 6 months back you were one of those saying Carrick is crap and average and had been for 3 years. Our central midfield has nothing to do with what happened to Berbatov. Spurs didn't exactly have the most cracking of midfields the time he 'thrived' there
I still would love to know what happened between him and SAF that he went from our best goal scorer to "not even on the bench" player within one year.
Still a total mystery to me what caused this.
Still a total mystery to me what caused this.
Our central midfield has nothing to do with what happened to Berbatov. Spurs didn't exactly have the most cracking of midfields the time he 'thrived' there
My argument regarding Carrick had always been the same. He's nowhere near to his predecessors and would struggle against superior players like Iniesta, Xavi or Martinez. However he's the best we've got and he had also improved lately.
Regarding your second comment, that's is, in my opinion, the strategy behind bringing Berba at OT. I won't comment about Spurs. They are a different team, with different targets and in different circumstances
I'll tell you. Welbeck and Hernandez came along. Players that fit our system better. Berbatov was told he can leave and therefore we decided not to put him on the bench but to rely on players that are here next season.
Some of you sound like scousers trying to find conspiracy theories and excuses for Berbatov. Why can't you just accept that he has been pretty rubbish. Even when he was our leading scorer, he still played crap a lot of the time.
I read somewhere that his agent claimed SAF wanted to change the teams style to be pacier, and Berbs didnt fit in with the system. Although to me that doesn't quite justify his near complete exclusion.
That's bollocks. He played well, how can you be top scorer without playing well? and he scored the most winners last season. He also played well when given the chance this season just after the christmas period. Trying to dispute the argument but saying he was rubbish is just silly. It's more of a case of square peg in a round hole for him, that and not particularly impressive in big games. Shit happens, we move on and so does he.
He was good in spells and very good last season. Just thats nowhere near living up to the hype and money spent on him. Unfortunately he hasnt been too good to drop in favour of Welbeck and Hernandez who are up and comers while he is not.
That's actually possible. Just ask wayne rooney
Yes, because that's exactly why he's being sold
Our attack certainly was faultless against Wigan wasn't it?
back at youThat's totally ridiculous. Berbs was brilliant for us for the majority of last season... even if you don't rate his contributions before then, I fail to see how anyone could realistically claim that Berbatov was 'crap' last season. That's just utter nonsense.