Well after the self imposed early season misery, i will tell you that hoping to get 4th was like hoping for a Trophy. 3rd seems like treble of those.
Next season however, your point is valid.
Arsenals chances of a top 4 finish this season
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Well after the self imposed early season misery, i will tell you that hoping to get 4th was like hoping for a Trophy. 3rd seems like treble of those.
Next season however, your point is valid.
Our season is arguably better than Man Utd's.
You finished 19points ahead of us.
But I would hate to feel what United fans are feeling right now, losing the title in last minute.
United did show an horrendous amount of bottling.
Plus falling into Europa League, Trophy-less season.
While you may have stuffed our reserve team 8-2, you got beat 1-6 against your traditional rivals which is even more embarrasing.
On an average, there is no much wrong in that claim.
Neither won a trophy, both qualified for automatic CL, we got to the KO stage of the CL.
Remember that quote?
We lost, yet we won or something on those lines?
We lost, yet we won or something on those lines?
Well, yes, you exceeded expectations by not winning anything again for the 6th or 7th year in succession.
We had a trophyless season despite finishing on the same points as the champions, after almost running away with it.
Oh don't get me wrong, our season sucked kitten balls.
But we where a point from winning the title. You were 2 points from the Europa League
We're talking about Arsenal. How do they compare?
Arsenal fans would give an arm and a leg just to be involved in a title race going into the last day.
It only seems like such a failure for us because we're always involved in and winning title races.
I'd much rather be in a title race than spending half a season playing for nothing but the 'top four' trophy.
Being 5pts ahead close to the line only set you up for a Devon Loch.
Arsenal fans acting all cocky again. Nice to see their reaction when they again lose their best player this season to City(I would hate to see it, but it's inevitable).
Them's the breaks of being a side competitive in the league until the very final hurdles.
Take the rough with the smooth. The highs and the lows.
Much rather that than the pointless bland vanilla greyscale safe seasons Arsenal have.
Meh at least our season wasn't over back in August. I'll also take one trophy-less season over seven.
Expectation is also different at both clubs. United are there to compete with City, Arsenal are there to supplement City and finish at least 4th.
Because United and Arsenal do not have the same expectation.Arsenal didn't have the feel United's disappointment because in the end Arsenal do not have the same pressure United has each season to either deliver trophies or seriously compete for major trophies.
Not the same point of view so therefore so therefore completely pointless to compare.
That's the price to pay when you are at United's level, a trophy less season despite losing the title on GD is a big failure whereas it was Arsenal it'd be considered as the best season in a long time
Great post.
Strangely enough, for me, one of the things that has softened the blow of losing the league like that was the fact that we were involved up until the last minute. The season actually meant something. I had a Sunderland fan taking the piss out of me until I pointed out that their season finished back in February and they had been padding it out for the last few months. I told him I remebered the days when I was paying for a season ticket at Old Trafford and by February none of our games really mattered and how it just felt empty. Now, despite the fact we lost, there was real importance to all of our games. Basically it's not the winning, but the tension that we are all addicted to.
It appears that the Arsenal fans on here are happy to be in an emotional comfort zone, where they are content to miss out on the highs of winning the prizes as long as they don't suffer the pain of defeat. Carry on taking the piss boys.
Are you being cocky because you finished 3rd?
Cause y'know we did finish a place above you and on equal points with the champions, not mention 19 points ahead of your team.
The good season for a typical Arsenal fan constitutes getting into Top4 and keeping hold of their best players. The first part they do comfortably, it's the second part they've a real problem with.
If I was an Arsenal fan the barometer for a good season or not for me is whether we keep Van Persie for next year.
And the Gooner version of the bust and boom cycle begins again.........
Oh look pete, we stepped on something. 
The thing is, they should do.
One of Wenger's greatest achievements has been managing the expectations of the fans to the extent where they almost seem to accept they won't be challenging for the league title and the best they can hope for in the CL is a round or two into the knockout stages.
It looked as though the patience of the fans was finally running out this season but an end of season collapse from all their rivals for the CL spots has them all back being happy bunnies again.
I do think Arsenal have done well to stay consistently within the top four, despite being written off many times early in recent seasons. Wenger does deserve credit for that.
But it's still stroll in the park on a Sunday stuff. Very hard to get excited about. A zero sum game.
But it's still stroll in the park on a Sunday stuff. Very hard to get excited about. A zero sum game.
Arsenal haven't a hope of a top-4 finish next year. Van Persie will go, leaving them bereft of their one truly top-class player.
They'll finish comfortably within one of the Europa League places, though.
They'll finish comfortably within one of the Europa League places, though.
It's the lack of progress that would bother me as a gooner. At least that's what's bothering gooner friends of mine. Especially those playing a frigging fortune for season tickets. So many false dawns these last few years. One step forward and two steps back.
You fell flat on your face on Eastlands (actually you went out and didn't try and jump). Our season was actually quite exciting overhauling Spurs from 10pts behind on 26th February.
They're more fun when they're cocky.
I certainly hope the don't get Yann M'Vila, he would certainly be a step in the right direction.
Yep, you've got to hand it to the man, he has them brainwashed into believing that qualifying for the CL every year with no realistic chance of winning it constitutes success.
If I was a Gooner I'd be frustrated at the same problems cropping up for the last 7 years. Shoddy defense, injuries to top players and no cover, players leaving, going around in the bargain basement for players who aren't good enough, the kids will come good, goalkeeper (till recently) etc.
They'll finish in the top 4 without having a realistic shot at winning anything of note. It would be massively frustrating rather than uplifting.
Well we made some slight progress despite losing the best player in the league. Unlike your good selves who went backwards. By the way our ticket price at £40 per game isn't much different to yours for 20,000 of the punters even given London prices/wages.
So essentially your season was as good as Wigan's?
You guys never learn, do you?
well possibly, it might take departure of another marquee player to drag us in Europa.
But for some clubs, it takes massive summer intakes and yet demotion to Europa, because they can't beat a fecking Basel.
It's not really exciting though, is it? Overhauling Spurs? That's the kind of ambition Everton might set themselves. It's easy street. The best you could 'dream' of was 3rd. Meh.
Nah we've improved this year. Only have to look at the away form. Played much better football at times and got more points than last season. Just that City had a better season. 89 points is a great total.
Yes, but that's another midfielder when if the lose RVP, which is likely then they are stuffed. Up front they'll be left with, Podolski, Walcott and Gervinho (possibly Bendtner/Chamakh
) and they'll be needing a top class forward which I doubt would leave where they are playing to join Arsenal. It happens every year that Arsenal fans reckon they will be in with a chance for the title, when in reality they aren't really anywhere near close to challenging.No Wigan didn't get automatic qualification for the CL nor make the KO stages of the CL (and neither did you).
Wow. The obsession you have with Spurs is embarrassing. Is that what Arsenal's seasons are now going to be measured on? Finishing ahead of Spurs?
You guys never learn, do you?
well possibly, it might take departure of another marquee player to drag us in Europa.
But for some clubs, it takes massive summer intakes and yet demotion to Europa, because they can't beat a fecking Basel.
Even if Van Persie leaves , which I get the feeling he won't, Arsenal will finish 4th at worst. You're still a much better side than Spurs, Liverpool and Newcastle.
But it's as Pogue says, the lack of progress would get on my nerves if I was a gooner. Next season no Arsenal fan will think they will win the league ahead of City, not even the most ardent and blinkered of them all.
Actually it's not being brainwashed.
It's being educated.
We know our constraints and the restrictions that Wenger works under.
Hence, we reduce our expectation and allow him that much patience.
It's only illiterates like Jopub who call for his head.
And yeah!!
Sell Giggs and sack SAF, yeah right?
Nope. We got a champions league spot & no trophies, so as good as yours(using your false logic to better effect)